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"uglymoney" wrote in message ... I've had too many collisions and have given up. I won't pass a boarder on the healside. They win. What you have to do is point your pole at them. It's amazing how much control someone gains when your ski pole is pointed at them. |
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"Mary Malmros" wrote in message ... Collision games are pointless and dumb. Even if you're totally antisocial and don't give a damn about hurting someone else, they can always backfire, and then you're the one going down on the sled. Games?? What about any of this discussion makes it sound like a game? As I remember it, it's a matter of survival. In thousands of days of actual skiing (not working on the mt.) I never had the collisions or near misses as one day at an area where toys are allowed. Once I learned to ski with my poles sticking out and flailing around where possible the incidents where greatly reduced. But who really cares anyway? I think I'll go try to get up to Alta today. I wonder how many new feet there are today? pigo |
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"pigo" wrote in message ... "uglymoney" wrote in message ... I've had too many collisions and have given up. I won't pass a boarder on the healside. They win. What you have to do is point your pole at them. It's amazing how much control someone gains when your ski pole is pointed at them. That's a fine fantasy, but if you come up on a boarder on his heelside, he's not going to see your pole. Assault with a ski pole is probably a crime. The problems with boarders/skiers is that they don't understand each other. Skiers can't see behind them. Boarders can't see on their heelside. Skiers should be aware that if they approach from a boarders heelside, it is up to them to allow safety space. One of the worst falls I've had boarding was when a skier clipped me on the backside while I was on a toe turn. The first I saw of him was the back of his skis as I went over backwards. I saw stars on that one. Boarders can see up the hill part of the time, so they can try to avoid you, but if you come at them from behind, you can surprise them. Additionally, skiiers and boarders turn differently. Watch and learn for your own safety. I deliberately DON'T teach my snowboard students to sideslip or falling leaf. They'll learn too soon anyway. Probably the biggest reason you see snowboarders sideslipping is because large numbers of teenagers are snowboarders. Teenagers tend to get in over their heads more than grownups. If they were all on skis, they'd be sideslipping at the same places. They were when I was a teen. Teenagers also tend to take other risks - endangering themselves and others. It's not snowboarders - it's teenagers. Yes, it would be nice if they'd move out of the way before buckling up. Skiers don't have to stop for this - boarders do. Bob |
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Bob wrote:
I deliberately DON'T teach my snowboard students to sideslip or falling leaf. They'll learn too soon anyway. Maybe you should: "This is a heel slide. It's useful when you find yourself on a slope that's too steep for you and you want to chicken out. It's better to chicken out than to hurt yourself, but if the slope is too steep for you maybe you should practice on easier terrain until you can ride it with confidence. Oh, and by the way, when you heel slide you scrape off all the snow down to the boilerplate. Nobody likes heel sliders - don't do it unless you have to." I think Mary's right - the main reason they heel scrape is that they just don't know any better. -- //-Walt // // There is no Volkl Conspiracy |
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"Mary Malmros" wrote in message news:Suqdne27lc_at3jcRVn- the heelslide is the first thing I learned in snowboarding. It's like snowplough in skiing. Exactly. It's a remedial move that, if you're doing it, should be telling you that you need to stay on the greens. I have been instructed not to even show my students the heelslide or falling leaf. That way, they are more likely to use turns instead, and therefore, learn to ride better. And, they are less likely to get on slopes too steep for their abilities. Bob |
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Bob wrote:
The problems with boarders/skiers is that they don't understand each other. Skiers can't see behind them. Boarders can't see on their heelside. Skiers should be aware that if they approach from a boarders heelside, it is up to them to allow safety space. Doesn't matter what side or platform you're on. If you're uphill *you* are supposed to yield to the downhill skier or boarder. That's the rule on every mountain I've ever skied on. |
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Chuck wrote:
Bob wrote: The problems with boarders/skiers is that they don't understand each other. Skiers can't see behind them. Boarders can't see on their heelside. Skiers should be aware that if they approach from a boarders heelside, it is up to them to allow safety space. Doesn't matter what side or platform you're on. If you're uphill *you* are supposed to yield to the downhill skier or boarder. That's the rule on every mountain I've ever skied on. At the risk of being overly pedantic, the code actually says: "People ahead of you have the right of way. It is your responsibility to avoid them." Note the word "ahead" not "downhill". You can't whack somebody from behing just because you're skiing uphill. But you're right that there's no exception for a snowboarder's blindspot. -- //-Walt // // There is no Volkl Conspiracy |
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Bob wrote:
"Mary Malmros" wrote in message news:Suqdne27lc_at3jcRVn- the heelslide is the first thing I learned in snowboarding. It's like snowplough in skiing. Exactly. It's a remedial move that, if you're doing it, should be telling you that you need to stay on the greens. I have been instructed not to even show my students the heelslide or falling leaf. That way, they are more likely to use turns instead, and therefore, learn to ride better. And, they are less likely to get on slopes too steep for their abilities. ROCK ON!!! Yer a mensch, Bob. -- Mary Malmros Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug. |
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Bob wrote:
[snip] Probably the biggest reason you see snowboarders sideslipping is because large numbers of teenagers are snowboarders. Teenagers tend to get in over their heads more than grownups. If they were all on skis, they'd be sideslipping at the same places. This I disagree with, because there are plenty of rad-dude teenagers on skis and you _don't_ see them sideslipping down the steep. They know it makes them look like dorks. -- Mary Malmros Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug. |
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"Bob" wrote in message ... "pigo" wrote in message ... "uglymoney" wrote in message ... I've had too many collisions and have given up. I won't pass a boarder on the healside. They win. What you have to do is point your pole at them. It's amazing how much control someone gains when your ski pole is pointed at them. That's a fine fantasy, but if you come up on a boarder on his heelside, he's not going to see your pole. That's their problem. And you wouldn't believe how much their eyesight improves when theres a pole pointing at them. Besides it's their job NOT TO HIT ME at that point. I'm a big enough guy that they don't run into me as much as they do women and children. I've skied with folks on this group and used the point the pole method whether moving or stopped. It works. Assault with a ski pole is probably a crime. It's not assult to have my pole sticking out to one degree or another. It they don't like it they can just stay more than 50" away from me. It work on skiers too. The problems with boarders/skiers is that they don't understand each other. Skiers can't see behind them. Boarders can't see on their heelside. Skiers should be aware that if they approach from a boarders heelside, it is up to them to allow safety space. One of the worst falls I've had boarding was when a skier clipped me on the backside while I was on a toe turn. The first I saw of him was the back of his skis as I went over backwards. I saw stars on that one. Boarders can see up the hill part of the time, so they can try to avoid you, but if you come at them from behind, you can surprise them. Boarder are the ones trying to blend into a skiers world. It's their problem. My contention is that they are not compatable. People don't play frisbee on golf courses during play. Additionally, skiiers and boarders turn differently. Watch and learn for your own safety. ****'em. They have to learn. But I don't ski where toys are allowed anyway. I like soft snow. pigo |
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