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Old January 25th 09, 01:09 PM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
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Default wax temp and smoking

I got one of the new IR surface thermometer and tested my swix iron
and was suprised to find it was about 190 at setting 9 of 10. I used
this setting to apply some swix blue, but during the process the iron
smoked quite a lot. So, the package says apply at 250F, I was well
below this, butthe iron smokes, which people say is not good.

So, what's my guide on this? That's a hard wax for sure.
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Old January 25th 09, 02:14 PM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
Gunde
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Default wax temp and smoking

On Jan 25, 6:09*am, john wrote:
I got one of the new IR surface thermometer and tested my swix iron
and was suprised to find it was about 190 at setting 9 of 10. *I used
this setting to apply some swix blue, but during the process the iron
smoked quite a lot. *So, the package says apply at 250F, I was well
below this, butthe iron smokes, which people say is not good.

So, what's my guide on this? *That's a hard wax for sure.


Yeah we all know smoking is bad, for the wax and the lungs of the wax
tech/ski motor. My completely unprofessional self-taught method is to
leave my Swix iron at a low temp (set at 5.5 of 10), and use more time
to melt the colder waxes. I do 7 passes of a ski, set it aside and do
7 passes on its partner. Repeat until desired results. I would like to
hear other's methodologies.
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Old January 25th 09, 02:44 PM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
John Forrest Tomlinson
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Default wax temp and smoking

On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 06:14:19 -0800 (PST), Gunde
wrote:

On Jan 25, 6:09*am, john wrote:
I got one of the new IR surface thermometer and tested my swix iron
and was suprised to find it was about 190 at setting 9 of 10. *I used
this setting to apply some swix blue, but during the process the iron
smoked quite a lot. *So, the package says apply at 250F, I was well
below this, butthe iron smokes, which people say is not good.

So, what's my guide on this? *That's a hard wax for sure.


Yeah we all know smoking is bad, for the wax and the lungs of the wax
tech/ski motor. My completely unprofessional self-taught method is to
leave my Swix iron at a low temp (set at 5.5 of 10), and use more time
to melt the colder waxes. I do 7 passes of a ski, set it aside and do
7 passes on its partner. Repeat until desired results. I would like to
hear other's methodologies.


I do it a bit differently -- set the iron such that the wax flows
easily of the iron (but doesn't smoke), so I don't have to linger at
any spot on the ski. And fewer passes -- 3 or 4. I think the cold
waxes (actually all waxes) adnere better if they're made molten under
the iron and really melted in.

That said, I have a cheap Swix iron and just about never went above 7
and a half. Maybe 8 very very rarely. Smoking CH4 means the iron is
waay hot. Too hot.
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Old January 25th 09, 03:49 PM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
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If the wax is smoking before you put it on the ski, it's because
the iron is too hot for that wax, or there's a residue of a warmer
wax that needs a lower temp still on it. On the ski means too hot -
and burns. I've found that the sufficient iron temp is one that both
melts the wax onto the ski both without smoking and that allows it to
be be rubbed on. If you're getting drips that chip off at first
touch, then the iron is not hot enough. Waxes are often labeled
for iron temp or can be found on the company's website.

That said, after years of articles about keeping the iron low, there's
been a couple lately that recommend an iron at 140-150C for many waxes.
One was by Ian Harvey of Toko. Perhaps more recent versions of some
waxes need a higher temp. I've noticed that some waxes, such as Start
Green, really need about 145C or so, and others, such as Star's Map
Black and Cold Powder, are labeled as such (150C). The important thing
at those temps is dilligence in keeping the wax iron moving from the
get-go, and limiting the number of passes to three or four. My recent
experience with classical skis at those temps is that burns are most
likely to occur where the iron is initially placed and on the thinner
sections if too many passes are made. Btw, ironing from the center out
is an idea suggested to me by a high level ski tech, because the
thicker section absorbs heat better. Even at lower temps, tho, too many
passes can burn the thinner parts. I suspect that more important for
wax penetration than a lot of passes is cooling the skis in a warm
room.

Gene

Gunde wrote:

On Jan 25, 6:09*am, john wrote:
I got one of the new IR surface thermometer and tested my swix iron
and was suprised to find it was about 190 at setting 9 of 10. *I used
this setting to apply some swix blue, but during the process the iron
smoked quite a lot. *So, the package says apply at 250F, I was well
below this, butthe iron smokes, which people say is not good.

So, what's my guide on this? *That's a hard wax for sure.


Yeah we all know smoking is bad, for the wax and the lungs of the wax
tech/ski motor. My completely unprofessional self-taught method is to
leave my Swix iron at a low temp (set at 5.5 of 10), and use more time
to melt the colder waxes. I do 7 passes of a ski, set it aside and do
7 passes on its partner. Repeat until desired results. I would like to
hear other's methodologies.

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Old January 29th 09, 05:16 PM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
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OK, thanks, I'm back to my old lower temperture methods I've used for
a long time. Having a thermometer might just be a dangerous thing
 




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