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On Jun 6, 6:36*am, down_hill wrote:
VtSkier wrote: We all use GPS coordinates. When you need a lot of points on the ground to be able to do a contour map GPS is: 1) way more accurate than you need since all data is local and 2) way too slow, you'll be there several days at 1/2 hour per point. We have issues at times using gps to build track maps and monitor vehicle position and collect dynamic data. At 170mph the gps scans at 5hz and that means that about 50 feet pass between each reading. A lot of stuff can happen in fifty feet. We get more accurate maps with a lateral accelerometer and a wheel speed indicator GPS sends the time-synchronization modulation once per second. |
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Richard Henry wrote:
On Jun 6, 6:36 am, wrote: VtSkier wrote: We all use GPS coordinates. When you need a lot of points on the ground to be able to do a contour map GPS is: 1) way more accurate than you need since all data is local and 2) way too slow, you'll be there several days at 1/2 hour per point. We have issues at times using gps to build track maps and monitor vehicle position and collect dynamic data. At 170mph the gps scans at 5hz and that means that about 50 feet pass between each reading. A lot of stuff can happen in fifty feet. We get more accurate maps with a lateral accelerometer and a wheel speed indicator GPS sends the time-synchronization modulation once per second. We get position 5 times a second there is one unit that claims to be able to get 10hz. I know 5hz works because have viewed text file and those fields were changed when I looked at sequential records. Always have problems overlaying morning session maps with afternoon session maps just slightly off. |
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On Jun 6, 11:31*am, down_hill wrote:
Richard Henry wrote: On Jun 6, 6:36 am, *wrote: VtSkier wrote: We all use GPS coordinates. When you need a lot of points on the ground to be able to do a contour map GPS is: 1) way more accurate than you need since all data is local and 2) way too slow, you'll be there several days at 1/2 hour per point. We have issues at times using gps to build track maps and monitor vehicle position and collect dynamic data. At 170mph the gps scans at 5hz and that means that about 50 feet pass between each reading. A lot of stuff can happen in fifty feet. We get more accurate maps with a lateral accelerometer and a wheel speed indicator GPS sends the time-synchronization modulation once per second. We get position 5 times a second there is one unit that claims to be able to get 10hz. I know 5hz works because have viewed text file and those fields were changed when I looked at sequential records. Always have problems overlaying morning session maps with afternoon session maps just slightly off. What model receiver? |
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On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 12:50:04 -0700 (PDT), Richard Henry
wrote this crap: On Jun 6, 11:31*am, down_hill wrote: Richard Henry wrote: On Jun 6, 6:36 am, *wrote: VtSkier wrote: We all use GPS coordinates. When you need a lot of points on the ground to be able to do a contour map GPS is: 1) way more accurate than you need since all data is local and 2) way too slow, you'll be there several days at 1/2 hour per point. We have issues at times using gps to build track maps and monitor vehicle position and collect dynamic data. At 170mph the gps scans at 5hz and that means that about 50 feet pass between each reading. A lot of stuff can happen in fifty feet. We get more accurate maps with a lateral accelerometer and a wheel speed indicator GPS sends the time-synchronization modulation once per second. We get position 5 times a second there is one unit that claims to be able to get 10hz. I know 5hz works because have viewed text file and those fields were changed when I looked at sequential records. Always have problems overlaying morning session maps with afternoon session maps just slightly off. What model receiver? It's probably not the receiver. They go drinking at lunch and that makes the afternoon session maps look like doo-doo. Vote for Romney. Repeal the nightmares. |
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Richard Henry wrote:
On Jun 6, 11:31 am, wrote: GPS sends the time-synchronization modulation once per second. We get position 5 times a second there is one unit that claims to be able to get 10hz. I know 5hz works because have viewed text file and those fields were changed when I looked at sequential records. Always have problems overlaying morning session maps with afternoon session maps just slightly off. What model receiver? http://www.competitiondata.com/sensors/pg11_gps.htm |
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On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 15:32:06 -0700 (PDT), Richard Henry
wrote this crap: On Jun 6, 1:04*pm, downhill wrote: Richard Henry wrote: On Jun 6, 11:31 am, *wrote: GPS sends the time-synchronization modulation once per second. We get position 5 times a second there is one unit that claims to be able to get 10hz. I know 5hz works because have viewed text file and those fields were changed when I looked at sequential records. Always have problems overlaying morning session maps with afternoon session maps just slightly off. What model receiver? http://www.competitiondata.com/sensors/pg11_gps.htm It's not clear from that documentation how they do it. I am inherently suspicious of unusually-enhanced operations that cannot be explained in one paragraph. My most recent experience with GPS is interpolating time between the 1Hz carrier-reversal synchs to partition time for a TDMA-like rf system, where vehicle/person speed was irrelevant and 1 Hz position updates were adequate. I did a search on GPS carrier-reversal synchs and came up with jack. Don't be bull****ting those who are good at it. Vote for Romney. Repeal the nightmares. |
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On Jun 6, 3:50*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 15:32:06 -0700 (PDT), Richard Henry wrote this crap: On Jun 6, 1:04*pm, downhill wrote: Richard Henry wrote: On Jun 6, 11:31 am, *wrote: GPS sends the time-synchronization modulation once per second. We get position 5 times a second there is one unit that claims to be able to get 10hz. I know 5hz works because have viewed text file and those fields were changed when I looked at sequential records. Always have problems overlaying morning session maps with afternoon session maps just slightly off. What model receiver? http://www.competitiondata.com/sensors/pg11_gps.htm It's not clear from that documentation how they do it. *I am inherently suspicious of unusually-enhanced operations that cannot be explained in one paragraph. My most recent experience with GPS is interpolating time between the 1Hz carrier-reversal synchs to partition time for a TDMA-like rf system, where vehicle/person speed was irrelevant and 1 Hz position updates were adequate. I did a search on GPS carrier-reversal synchs and came up with jack. Don't be bull****ting those who are good at it. Vote for Romney. *Repeal the nightmares. Once per second, the carrier waveform of the GPS signal does a 180- degree phase reversal exactly at the time that the GPS satellite believes from its internal electronics is the "zero" of each UTC second. That event is easy to detect if one knows it is coming, and comparing the zeros from several satellites allows the receiver to determine its position. The receivers know the satellites position accurately, to better precision than they are capable of calculating for themselves, because each satellite transmits its position and orbital dynamics as part of the low-data-rate message included in the signals. Normally, it takes 30 seconds after synching with the 4th satellite to get the first 3D fix, and it is a simple task to update position each second from then on. Getting positions faster than 1 Hz requires techniques beyond the basic GPS system design. Remember that GPS was developed by the Navy so that ships could find harbors and aircraft find airports, not to track racecars around a track. |
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Richard Henry wrote:
http://www.competitiondata.com/sensors/pg11_gps.htm It's not clear from that documentation how they do it. I am inherently suspicious of unusually-enhanced operations that cannot be explained in one paragraph. My most recent experience with GPS is interpolating time between the 1Hz carrier-reversal synchs to partition time for a TDMA-like rf system, where vehicle/person speed was irrelevant and 1 Hz position updates were adequate. This unit is used with all the major data acquisition hardware,there are units with it built in like traqmate. But the real serious race data acquisition hardware use wheel speed sensors 4 is the best and if you run a traction control or abs type system 4 WS sensors is the only way. But most of the cars do fine with 5hz scan rates it really only at Daytona or Pocono when the run banking as part of a road circuit. Plus if your not in road racing you will not get near the speeds where it makes a difference. |
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On Jun 6, 6:19*pm, down_hill wrote:
Richard Henry wrote: http://www.competitiondata.com/sensors/pg11_gps.htm It's not clear from that documentation how they do it. *I am inherently suspicious of unusually-enhanced operations that cannot be explained in one paragraph. * My most recent experience with GPS is interpolating time between the 1Hz carrier-reversal synchs to partition time for a TDMA-like rf system, where vehicle/person speed was irrelevant and 1 Hz position updates were adequate. This unit is used with all the major data acquisition hardware,there are units with it built in like traqmate. But the real serious race data acquisition hardware use wheel speed sensors 4 is the best and if you run a traction control or abs type system 4 WS sensors is the only way. But most of the cars do fine with 5hz scan rates it really only at Daytona or Pocono when the run banking as part of a road circuit. Plus if your not in road racing you will not get near the speeds where it makes a difference. Wheels sensors or x-y-z accelerometers integrated into an inertial nav system trued to GPS once per second makes more sense. I have checked my hand-held GPS receiver against the property corners of my lot. After a few minutes, it was within a few feet of the correct lat and long, but about 40 feet off in elevation when not wandering around to worse values. |
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Richard Henry wrote:
On Jun 6, 6:19 pm, wrote: Wheels sensors or x-y-z accelerometers integrated into an inertial nav system trued to GPS once per second makes more sense. I have checked my hand-held GPS receiver against the property corners of my lot. After a few minutes, it was within a few feet of the correct lat and long, but about 40 feet off in elevation when not wandering around to worse values. The hardware in the car is a logger that records the sensors at the decided scan rate oil and water is done at 1hz, rpm, throttle, brake pressure and steering plus accelerometers are done at 20hz we do not use z if we are measuring ride height or pitch and roll laser sensors. There is a little computing done with logger to put on warning lights low oil pressure or +/- if you have loaded a datum lap. Otherwise it runs a millisecond counter and logs entries to be downloaded and analyzed on computer. The most important trace is rpm. The first trace I look at is voltage if below 10 volts data gets questionable. The gps signal is just logged for processing and the other item it does is when you pass start finish or where you have told it start finish is it generates a lap marker every time you cross start finish. Otherwise you put out a beacon which triggers a lap marker when you pass it. The gps unit takes place of the beacon receiver in the car so you can not have both with most hardware. |
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