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"Florian Ederer" wrote in message
oups.com... Yes, real shame about Hans Knauss. He is one of the most popular skiers in Austria. However, I fear he (and in particular the mighty ÖSV) might not be as innocent as I hope ... OSV? |
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"lal_truckee" wrote in message
... Ski racers are phenominal atheletes. No other sport requires such sustained physical effort while conditions are violently atttempting to knock you down. Every other sport that comes near is performed on a prepared artificial course; compare a bicyclist on a hill climb with someone assigned to atempt to kick him over every 2 seconds - whoops - doesn't happen. I am sure that they are phenominal athleates but .. I have always heard of water polo players having to be in the best shape. Imagen swiming 30 yards then wrestle for 30 seconds and repeat over four seven minute quarters covering roughly a mile and a half. Then hope you don't have 2 more games that day. I sure hope we get some good snow up in VT soon. Stephen B. NYC |
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On 2005-01-15, lal_truckee penned:
Ski racers are phenominal atheletes. No other sport requires such sustained physical effort while conditions are violently atttempting to knock you down. Every other sport that comes near is performed on a prepared artificial course; compare a bicyclist on a hill climb with someone assigned to atempt to kick him over every 2 seconds - whoops - doesn't happen. Oh, I don't know; mountain biking feels a lot like that sometimes =P -- monique Longmont, CO |
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Black Metal Martha wrote:
Mary Malmros wrote: Jon C wrote: Not to knock skiing, but a GS racer isn't exactly the athlete a touring cyclist is. Not the same _kind_ of athlete. Touring cyclists, mostly, are endurance athletes, with that sort of wired-and-irritable-starved-greyhound look that all endurance athletes have. The demands of the sport on the body are different; the training is different. A ski racer won't do the huge volumes of aerobic training that a touring cyclist will; instead, in addition to aerobic training, he/she will train for strength, explosive speed, balance and agility, using weights (a lot more iron than a touring cyclist will pump), balance tools such as slackropes and the like, or stuff like http://www.gordbrownskiing.com/Movie...all%20Jump.WMV. True, but there have been plenty of problems with drug/steroid use in sprinters, whereas distance runners don't seem to have teh same problems. I'm not sure how this follows. John C's post raised the question of whether doping would give any advantage to a ski racer, since a ski racer "isn't exactly the athlete that a touring cyclist is". How does your comment follow? -- Mary Malmros Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug. |
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Stephen B. wrote:
"lal_truckee" wrote in message ... Ski racers are phenominal atheletes. No other sport requires such sustained physical effort while conditions are violently atttempting to knock you down. Every other sport that comes near is performed on a prepared artificial course; compare a bicyclist on a hill climb with someone assigned to atempt to kick him over every 2 seconds - whoops - doesn't happen. I am sure that they are phenominal athleates but .. I have always heard of water polo players having to be in the best shape. Cardio-vascular conditioning is only part of any sport. While it's a major part of road cycling and marathoning (and as you mention water polo players) it's of no importance whatsoever in other recognized sports such as baseball and baseball's equivalent, tiddlywinks. I might mention that when human powered flight (and lessor known, boats and submarines) are attempting records it's distance cyclist the engineers turn to for sustained power output over hours, not water polo players (although the engineers may just not be knowledgeable.) I think that water polo players do have a particularly unique athletic capacity - I can't think of another sport where someone is trying to rip your balls off as a regular part of participating. Imagen swiming 30 yards then wrestle for 30 seconds and repeat over four seven minute quarters covering roughly a mile and a half. Then hope you don't have 2 more games that day. I sure hope we get some good snow up in VT soon. Stephen B. NYC |
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"lal_truckee" wrote in message
... Stephen B. wrote: "lal_truckee" wrote in message ... Ski racers are phenominal atheletes. No other sport requires such sustained physical effort while conditions are violently atttempting to knock you down. Every other sport that comes near is performed on a prepared artificial course; compare a bicyclist on a hill climb with someone assigned to atempt to kick him over every 2 seconds - whoops - doesn't happen. I am sure that they are phenominal athleates but .. I have always heard of water polo players having to be in the best shape. Cardio-vascular conditioning is only part of any sport. While it's a major part of road cycling and marathoning (and as you mention water polo players) it's of no importance whatsoever in other recognized sports such as baseball and baseball's equivalent, tiddlywinks. I might mention that when human powered flight (and lessor known, boats and submarines) are attempting records it's distance cyclist the engineers turn to for sustained power output over hours, not water polo players (although the engineers may just not be knowledgeable.) Water polo players are not pure endurance athletes, yes they have to go long distances, but it is in sprints. The 28 minutes of game time typicaly take about an hour to play, and we keep switching muscel groups between swiming, treading water, throwing a ball one handed (picture a vollyball). I think that water polo players do have a particularly unique athletic capacity - I can't think of another sport where someone is trying to rip your balls off as a regular part of participating. That must be why we keep the pool so cold. Shrinkage can be good ;-) Stephen B. NYC |
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"Stephen B." wrote:
"lal_truckee" wrote: Ski racers are phenominal atheletes. No other sport requires such sustained physical effort while conditions are violently atttempting to knock you down. Every other sport that comes near is performed on a prepared artificial course; compare a bicyclist on a hill climb with someone assigned to atempt to kick him over every 2 seconds - whoops - doesn't happen. I am sure that they are phenominal athleates but .. I have always heard of water polo players having to be in the best shape. Imagen swiming 30 yards then wrestle for 30 seconds and repeat over four seven minute quarters covering roughly a mile and a half. Then hope you don't have 2 more games that day. I've heard that motocross is the most physically demanding. From my dirt riding days I would have to agree, although I've never tried water polo. Having to shove double your body weight around with split-second accuracy makes me tired just saying it. Jim? Bruno? Anybody? I sure hope we get some good snow up in VT soon. Lots here and the road is closed. Waaaah. -- Cheers, Bev ************************************************** ********** "Let them eat ****." -- Marcel Antoinette, Marie's little-known brother |
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:52:01 -0600, The Real Bev
wrote: "Stephen B." wrote: "lal_truckee" wrote: Ski racers are phenominal atheletes. No other sport requires such sustained physical effort while conditions are violently atttempting to knock you down. Every other sport that comes near is performed on a prepared artificial course; compare a bicyclist on a hill climb with someone assigned to atempt to kick him over every 2 seconds - whoops - doesn't happen. I am sure that they are phenominal athleates but .. I have always heard of water polo players having to be in the best shape. Imagen swiming 30 yards then wrestle for 30 seconds and repeat over four seven minute quarters covering roughly a mile and a half. Then hope you don't have 2 more games that day. I've heard that motocross is the most physically demanding. From my dirt riding days I would have to agree, although I've never tried water polo. Having to shove double your body weight around with split-second accuracy makes me tired just saying it. Jim? Bruno? Anybody? I've a friend that used to motocross and he goes through two packs of cigarettes on days that he is trying to cut back. I think that everything is sport dependent. I really that that Lance Armstrong would be sore 'somewhere' if he spent a day on tele's. Muscles have to learn every new sport, and then they have to relearn every time we take time off. nate |
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The Real Bev writes: I've heard that motocross is the most physically demanding. I've heard it too, or that they are at the same cardio level as soc cer players. I can ski bumps all day. After 3 hours putt putting at the MX track I'm wiped out. Racers go at it full speed for 2 30 minutes motos. So they have to be in shape. Anyway, I can see that steroids would be beneficial at the top ski racing level. During one of the world cup events at Breck I took the chiarlift right behind Girardelli. The guy's thighs were as big as my torso (I'm only slightly exagerating here. He was massive) That might just be a result of his build and training. But if that's the kind of muscle mass required to be at the top like he was, it is pretty easy to understand that other peole would be tempted to get a bit of help... bruno. |
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On 2005-01-15, uglymoney penned:
I think that everything is sport dependent. I really that that Lance Armstrong would be sore 'somewhere' if he spent a day on tele's. Muscles have to learn every new sport, and then they have to relearn every time we take time off. Absolutely. In high school, friends of mine took our martial arts instructor skiing. His first time. Tae kwon do is a very thigh-intensive art, and yet, after a day of skiing, he was completely wiped. -- monique Longmont, CO |
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