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Rockered (or reverse camber) skis ?
On Aug 29, 8:31*pm, Dick G wrote:
Are these truly worth buying another pair? pro/con? Absolutely, they are the **** when conditions are non-hard. I'm going to get Rossi S7's with bindings that let me adjust the mounting position on the fly. |
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Rockered (or reverse camber) skis ?
On Aug 29, 8:54*pm, Alan Baker wrote:
In article , *Dick G wrote: Are these truly worth buying another pair? pro/con? I've never tried them, but to me it seems they'd only be good in a very limited set of conditions, and I personally don't want to own lots of different pairs of skis for different conditions. A rockered tip is good in just about any conditions (except perhaps the piste), a full rocker works better in soft conditions. I'm going to live with two pairs, i.e. hard vs. soft conditions. |
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Rockered (or reverse camber) skis ?
On Aug 30, 12:14*am, Walt wrote:
Dedicated rockered/powder skis (e.g. Goats) are pretty much useless on Eastern Firm. *Unless you're in a position to ski bottomless more than a few times a year, you'll probably come out ahead renting on the powder days. Rockered skis should be better for a week after a storm, until you really start skiing on the snow instead of in it. |
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Rockered (or reverse camber) skis ?
On Aug 30, 2:42*am, pigo wrote:
What's the point anyway? I'm trying to envision a ski that is reverse camber and I can't seem to grasp the concept. Unless you're heliskiing a full rocker with normal camber underfoot should be the better option. Check out Rossi S7's, they have pretty funky construction. Some people call them "cheater-skis" as it makes skiing deeper stuff so much more effortless. I like long skinny slalom or gs skis that I can bend into reverse camber and with timing ride the rebound UP and out of deep snow to change direction. Hey old-timer it's more fun to carve the turn inside the snow as made possible by teh modern skis! |
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Rockered (or reverse camber) skis ?
On Aug 30, 4:59*am, Evojeesus wrote:
On Aug 30, 2:42*am, pigo wrote: Unless you're heliskiing a full rocker with normal camber underfoot should be the better option. Check out Rossi S7's, they have pretty funky construction. Some people call them "cheater-skis" as it makes skiing deeper stuff so much more effortless. How does something totally effortless get *more* effortless? And I don't heli ski much. I do most of my skiing on pretty good poweder at Alta and Deer Valley. Hey old-timer it's more fun to carve the turn inside the snow as made possible by teh modern skis! So you stay down in the chest deep the entire time? How do you breath? That's part of mastering the powder was learning to time your breaths and being able to clear your goggles with a swipe of the forearm. I'm not so sure that I don't "carve" the turn at the bottom. I can feel the skis flex and create the platform. And then, depending on how much edge I give them points the tips in the direction I want to go, tight turn or long turn. I guess I'll decide what's more fun for me. And as long as skiing with other deep powder skiers in deep powder and making those nice consistant s's down long lines of the deep is about the most fun a person can have? I'm sticking with it :-) |
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On Aug 30, 6:51*am, pigo wrote:
On Aug 30, 4:59*am, Evojeesus wrote: On Aug 30, 2:42*am, pigo wrote: Unless you're heliskiing a full rocker with normal camber underfoot should be the better option. Check out Rossi S7's, they have pretty funky construction. Some people call them "cheater-skis" as it makes skiing deeper stuff so much more effortless. How does something totally effortless get *more* effortless? And I don't heli ski much. I do most of my skiing on pretty good poweder at Alta and Deer Valley. You ski Deer Valley, ppppppuuuuuussssssyyyyyy? Sure didn't the day I set a meet. You ran and hid at Alta, with three month's notice. How does someone totally ppppppuuuuuussssssyyyyy get "more" pppppuuuuussssssyyyyyy? Ask Tranny Boob Thompson!!!!!! |
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Rockered (or reverse camber) skis ?
On Aug 30, 3:51*pm, pigo wrote:
On Aug 30, 4:59*am, Evojeesus wrote: On Aug 30, 2:42*am, pigo wrote: Unless you're heliskiing a full rocker with normal camber underfoot should be the better option. Check out Rossi S7's, they have pretty funky construction. Some people call them "cheater-skis" as it makes skiing deeper stuff so much more effortless. How does something totally effortless get *more* effortless? And I don't heli ski much. I do most of my skiing on pretty good poweder at Alta and Deer Valley.hen What's close to effortless with modest vertical and the best snow on the planet is not effortless when the mountains get bigger and snow conditions heavier and more variable (high-altitude winds above the treeline). Hey old-timer it's more fun to carve the turn inside the snow as made possible by teh modern skis! So you stay down in the chest deep the entire time? How do you breath? That's part of mastering the powder was learning to time your breaths and being able to clear your goggles with a swipe of the forearm. I never had chest deep in my life, had hip deep a couple of times though. Did you ever even try modern skis once in powder? I'm not so sure that I don't "carve" the turn at the bottom. I can feel the skis flex and create the platform. And then, depending on how much edge I give them points the tips in the direction I want to go, tight turn or long turn. Sounds like you're carving as much possible given the conditions & skis. Modern wider skis allow for more g-force and increase the chances of hitting "bottomless" powder. Of course with skinny skis one can sink deeper. I guess I'll decide what's more fun for me. And as long as skiing with other deep powder skiers in deep powder and making those nice consistant s's down long lines of the deep is about the most fun a person can have? I'm sticking with it :-) Agreed. You could try increasing your speed by 100% and make your turns 3 times longer, I don't have the skills or legs to control skinny GS skis in those conditions but I know it has been done. |
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Rockered (or reverse camber) skis ?
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:19:59 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote: lal_truckee wrote: On 8/29/10 11:31 AM, Dick G wrote: Are these truly worth buying another pair? pro/con? Pretty much a powder specific tool. Here's my take: If almost all you ski is powder you might like them, but you won't NEED them, since you'll have become a good powder skier already. Conversely if you're rolling in money AND seldom see powder, so you haven't developed any proficiency, they might make your rare powder days successes. For others, modern skis are so wide and soft I thing the typical skier will be fine on his widetrack skis when he ventures into the deep; just stay centered with feet moving as a unit. I watched a guy on rockered skies bombing down a fast intermediate slope. As he gained speed on the steep stretch, the skis suddenly started wobbling all over the place until he did the splits and totally exploded. Are you sure the crash was directly related to the ski design itself? |
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On Aug 30, 1:57*pm, Evojeesus wrote:
I never had chest deep in my life, had hip deep a couple of times though. Did you ever even try modern skis once in powder? Let's get one thing clear here. I'm not calling knee deep the buckle deep that blows up to your knees. Or waist deep the shin deep that blows up to your waist. I'm when I talk about the depth I mean the depth of the snow that you are pushing against. Hip deep only? Don't you live in Utah? Maybe I have you confused with someone else? But many many times per year we'll get 20 followed by 30 followed by 20 followed by 30..............I've had times when a couple of 30's are followed by 45 or 55. I remember one year when park city got 15' in 15 days!!!!!! I think you really need to get 30" or so to get towards bottomless. But then even 10" overnight can bring the bottomless back. That's one of the reasons I only go boardfree too. What skiers cut up can easily be back in shape with 10" over crud. Hell! If it's snowing hard enough you can get fresh every run in the same line! You might not be able to see, but who needs to see???? I'm not so sure that I don't "carve" the turn at the bottom. I can feel the skis flex and create the platform. And then, depending on how much edge I give them points the tips in the direction I want to go, tight turn or long turn. Sounds like you're carving as much possible given the conditions & skis. Modern wider skis allow for more g-force and increase the chances of hitting "bottomless" powder. Of course with skinny skis one can sink deeper. I don't really care about "bottomless" 6" powder. That's a whole different animal that I also know how to ski. I'll wait for bottomless when it's reached the 30 or so neccessary. I guess I'll decide what's more fun for me. And as long as skiing with other deep powder skiers in deep powder and making those nice consistant s's down long lines of the deep is about the most fun a person can have? I'm sticking with it :-) Agreed. You could try increasing your speed by 100% and make your turns 3 times longer, I don't have the skills or legs to control skinny GS skis in those conditions but I know it has been done. I'm not trying to give you ****. Just relaying my experience and choices. Were I to live somewhere else I might try something different to try to replicate the experience. I'm afraid that that's the best that could happen, a replica, not the real thing. And considering that I live with the greatest snow on earth and two boardfree areas that provide the opportunity for me to ski snow that hasn't been turned to **** by boarders I doubt that were I to move, I would even take my skis. And as a matter of fact, I am considering it and snow is not part of the equation :-) |
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Rockered (or reverse camber) skis ?
On Aug 31, 1:14*am, pigo wrote:
On Aug 30, 1:57*pm, Evojeesus wrote: I never had chest deep in my life, had hip deep a couple of times though. Did you ever even try modern skis once in powder? Let's get one thing clear here. I'm not calling knee deep the buckle deep that blows up to your knees. Or waist deep the shin deep that blows up to your waist. I'm when I talk about the depth I mean the depth of the snow that you are pushing against. Yes, that's what I mean with depth-measurements too. Did you try these modern skis btw? Hip deep only? Don't you live in Utah? Nope, I live in Italy. I think you really need to get 30" or so to get towards bottomless. But then even 10" overnight can bring the bottomless back. Well that depends on the width of your skis. If you're hitting thigh- deep in the turns and not feeling the bottom, that's bottomless. Agreed. You could try increasing your speed by 100% and make your turns 3 times longer, I don't have the skills or legs to control skinny GS skis in those conditions but I know it has been done. I'm not trying to give you ****. Just relaying my experience and choices. Yeah, me too. In big-mountain skiing above the tree-line the new skis have transformed the lines and speeds the pros are able to take. I see absolutely no benefit from not having a tip-rocker in a powder-ski. Were I to live somewhere else I might try something different to try to replicate the experience. I'm afraid that that's the best that could happen, a replica, not the real thing. And considering that I live with the greatest snow on earth and two boardfree areas that provide the opportunity for me to ski snow that hasn't been turned to **** by boarders I doubt that were I to move, I would even take my skis. And as a matter of fact, I am considering it and snow is not part of the equation :-) Good for you! I'm a 9 hours drive away from 7000+ vertical-feet off- piste paradise. Skiing powder in the forest is mad fun but nothing beats the big lines on big mountains. I've seen boarders lose maybe 1500 feet of vertical in about five turns down a steepish glacier. Has anyone skied Alta in less than 10 turns?-D |
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