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Taichiskiing
On May 16, 8:36 am, "Stuart" wrote:
"taichiskiing" wrote in message ... On May 15, 5:01 pm, "Stuart" wrote: "taichiskiing" wrote in message ... So there are "skidding" and "slipping," and they are different? Thanks for the confirmation, my good man. A skidded turn on skis happens when you hit some ice or hardpack for eg. Actually, I think that most classical/old-school parallel turns are "skidded" parallel turns. They are hard to control compared to a slipped turn as in side-slipping or turning into the hill. Yes. When a skidded turn screws up, the skier falls backward, there would be no recovery. When a slipped turn screws up, the skier falls forward, with a strong leg, one may still recover. So, slipped turns are safer, too. IS |
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Taichiskiing
"downhill" wrote in message ... Bob F wrote: downhill wrote: Stuart wrote: "taichiskiing" wrote in message ... On May 15, 5:01 pm, "Stuart" wrote: "taichiskiing" wrote in message ... Funny thing about the slip though, all old time pilots know "what" slipping is, as well as experienced drivers, but in skiing, it seems few skiers know exactly what it is. And the gappers on this board insisted that I was "wrong" when I told them the difference between "skidding" and "slipping," and laughed themselves silly. What do you think? That's easy. A slip is sliding to the inside of a turn and skid is to the outside. So there are "skidding" and "slipping," and they are different? Thanks for the confirmation, my good man. A skidded turn on skis happens when you hit some ice or hardpack for eg. They are hard to control compared to a slipped turn as in side-slipping or turning into the hill. A skid to the inside of a turn what law of physics lets that happen? The only way he is going to skid to the inside is when he gets hit by a snowmobile. he is inventing definitions again what a sack of **** If you are traversing a slope, and flatten the skis to the snow while rotating them, they can slip downhill at the front to initiate a turn. This is the way good snowboarders initiate turns, since they have the option of flattenening the front of the board while still edgeing the rear of the board on the uphill edge, by twisting the board. It is much safer than trying to push the rear of the board into the turn like many self-trained boarders do. sorry you start a right hand turn at 30 mph and in the middle of the turn your going to slip to the inside? show me You can't. But as a previous poster pointed out, you can slip the fronts of the skis downhill to the right while doing a left hand traverse and initiate a "windshield-wiper" turn. In this case a slip does occur in the direction of the turn, but technically, when the slip is performed, the centre of mass is to the left and not being deflected in a right hand turn. Just some parts of the skiers anatomy ie the skis are slipping right. Then, the actual initiation of the turn is made with a com shift to the right. You are slipping right, but not yet turning actually. |
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Taichiskiing
On May 16, 10:20*am, taichiskiing
wrote: On May 16, 8:00 am, "Bob F" wrote: taichiskiing wrote: On May 15, 5:01 pm, "Stuart" wrote: "taichiskiing" wrote in message ... Funny thing about the slip though, all old time pilots know "what" slipping is, as well as experienced drivers, but in skiing, it seems few skiers know exactly what it is. And the gappers on this board insisted that I was "wrong" when I told them the difference between "skidding" and "slipping," and laughed themselves silly. What do you think? That's easy. A slip is sliding to the inside of a turn and skid is to the outside. So there are "skidding" and "slipping," and they are different? Thanks for the confirmation, my good man. "Now, you gappers owe me and the board/RSA an apology for all the lies you gappers told about me and the noises you gappers generated on the board for your lies." More like Scotty every day. Nothing to do Scott, that's just your denial. Please do tell us what all those lies were, so we know what to apologise for. All your denials, as well as all your bashings are lies. I did tell you that shameless lying is a bottomless pit, once you falling into it, you'd have no recourse for redemption. As Buddha said, "return (change previous behaviors), there's a safe shore." Good luck.- Scott Abraham Syndrome. |
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Taichiskiing
"taichiskiing" wrote in message ... On May 16, 8:00 am, "Bob F" wrote: taichiskiing wrote: On May 15, 5:01 pm, "Stuart" wrote: "taichiskiing" wrote in message ... Funny thing about the slip though, all old time pilots know "what" slipping is, as well as experienced drivers, but in skiing, it seems few skiers know exactly what it is. And the gappers on this board insisted that I was "wrong" when I told them the difference between "skidding" and "slipping," and laughed themselves silly. What do you think? That's easy. A slip is sliding to the inside of a turn and skid is to the outside. So there are "skidding" and "slipping," and they are different? Thanks for the confirmation, my good man. "Now, you gappers owe me and the board/RSA an apology for all the lies you gappers told about me and the noises you gappers generated on the board for your lies." More like Scotty every day. Nothing to do Scott, that's just your denial. Please do tell us what all those lies were, so we know what to apologise for. All your denials, as well as all your bashings are lies. I did tell you that shameless lying is a bottomless pit, once you falling into it, you'd have no recourse for redemption. As Buddha said, "return (change previous behaviors), there's a safe shore." Good luck. Why go there? |
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Taichiskiing
Stuart wrote:
"downhill" wrote in message \ rear of the board on the uphill edge, by twisting the board. It is much safer than trying to push the rear of the board into the turn like many self-trained boarders do. sorry you start a right hand turn at 30 mph and in the middle of the turn your going to slip to the inside? show me You can't. But as a previous poster pointed out, you can slip the fronts of the skis downhill to the right while doing a left hand traverse and initiate a "windshield-wiper" turn. In this case a slip does occur in the direction of the turn, but technically, when the slip is performed, the centre of mass is to the left and not being deflected in a right hand turn. Just some parts of the skiers anatomy ie the skis are slipping right. Then, the actual initiation of the turn is made with a com shift to the right. You are slipping right, but not yet turning actually. My point being you declare an absolute and the first example it fails like everything cheese dip claims to be true. Slipping is letting the ski's slide 90 degrees to the normal path of travel Sliding in increasing the radius of your turn because you have NOT grip. you can not count a person standing upright on skis going slow that is hot dogging his skis as doing something like a real turn at speed any of these suggestions do not work at speed please try to prove me wrong preferably not in go slow zones. |
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Taichiskiing
downhill wrote:
Bob F wrote: downhill wrote: Stuart wrote: "taichiskiing" wrote in message ... On May 15, 5:01 pm, "Stuart" wrote: "taichiskiing" wrote in message ... Funny thing about the slip though, all old time pilots know "what" slipping is, as well as experienced drivers, but in skiing, it seems few skiers know exactly what it is. And the gappers on this board insisted that I was "wrong" when I told them the difference between "skidding" and "slipping," and laughed themselves silly. What do you think? That's easy. A slip is sliding to the inside of a turn and skid is to the outside. So there are "skidding" and "slipping," and they are different? Thanks for the confirmation, my good man. A skidded turn on skis happens when you hit some ice or hardpack for eg. They are hard to control compared to a slipped turn as in side-slipping or turning into the hill. A skid to the inside of a turn what law of physics lets that happen? The only way he is going to skid to the inside is when he gets hit by a snowmobile. he is inventing definitions again what a sack of **** If you are traversing a slope, and flatten the skis to the snow while rotating them, they can slip downhill at the front to initiate a turn. This is the way good snowboarders initiate turns, since they have the option of flattenening the front of the board while still edgeing the rear of the board on the uphill edge, by twisting the board. It is much safer than trying to push the rear of the board into the turn like many self-trained boarders do. sorry you start a right hand turn at 30 mph and in the middle of the turn your going to slip to the inside? show me I don't do it in the middle of a turn. I do it at the beginning of a turn. It is a much more noticable effect at the slow speeds that a 1st time boarder goes. From a heelside traverse, he holds his rear foot toes up while he lowers the front toes to initiate the turn. The front of the board slips downhill because the edge is released while the rear doesn't, because it is still edged. The board turns. As the board crosses the fall line, the rear foot edgeing follows the previous front foot edgeing change. At higher speeds, the transition occurs faster, and the amount of actual slip would reduce to near zero, since the body crosses the board much earlier in the turn. |
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Taichiskiing
"downhill" wrote in message ... Stuart wrote: "downhill" wrote in message \ rear of the board on the uphill edge, by twisting the board. It is much safer than trying to push the rear of the board into the turn like many self-trained boarders do. sorry you start a right hand turn at 30 mph and in the middle of the turn your going to slip to the inside? show me You can't. But as a previous poster pointed out, you can slip the fronts of the skis downhill to the right while doing a left hand traverse and initiate a "windshield-wiper" turn. In this case a slip does occur in the direction of the turn, but technically, when the slip is performed, the centre of mass is to the left and not being deflected in a right hand turn. Just some parts of the skiers anatomy ie the skis are slipping right. Then, the actual initiation of the turn is made with a com shift to the right. You are slipping right, but not yet turning actually. My point being you declare an absolute and the first example it fails like everything cheese dip claims to be true. Slipping is letting the ski's slide 90 degrees to the normal path of travel Sliding in increasing the radius of your turn because you have NOT grip. Not sure what you are saying here, but this sounds like a skidded turn, as if you hit an icy patch and the turn went wider than you intended it to. EG In an airplane in a left hand turn, if you apply more left rudder or yaw than is necessary the turn will SKID, like a rear-wheel drive car doing a fishtail on ice. The ass-end will go wide to the right. If you apply less left rudder or even right rudder, the airplane's tail will SLIP or yaw to the inside of the turn. you can not count a person standing upright on skis going slow that is hot dogging his skis as doing something like a real turn at speed any of these suggestions do not work at speed please try to prove me wrong preferably not in go slow zones. |
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Taichiskiing
Stuart wrote:
"downhill" wrote in message sorry you start a right hand turn at 30 mph and in the middle of the turn your going to slip to the inside? show me You can't. But as a previous poster pointed out, you can slip the fronts of the skis downhill to the right while doing a left hand traverse and initiate a "windshield-wiper" turn. In this case a slip does occur in the direction of the turn, but technically, when the slip is performed, the centre of mass is to the left and not being deflected in a right hand turn. Just some parts of the skiers anatomy ie the skis are slipping right. Then, the actual initiation of the turn is made with a com shift to the right. You are slipping right, but not yet turning actually. My point being you declare an absolute and the first example it fails like everything cheese dip claims to be true. Slipping is letting the ski's slide 90 degrees to the normal path of travel Sliding in increasing the radius of your turn because you have NOT grip. Not sure what you are saying here, but this sounds like a skidded turn, as if you hit an icy patch and the turn went wider than you intended it to. EG In an airplane in a left hand turn, if you apply more left rudder or yaw than is necessary the turn will SKID, like a rear-wheel drive car doing a fishtail on ice. The ass-end will go wide to the right. If you apply less left rudder or even right rudder, the airplane's tail will SLIP or yaw to the inside of the turn. What I am saying it is bull**** if you think you can slide to inside of turn, slow speeds do not count as your not developing enough forces to really be in a turn airplane is not a proper example speed difference and aerodynamic forces make it a poor choice for an example vs a skier no contact patch, it is back to the snowmobile pushing the skier to the inside of the turn A rear wheel drive doing a fish tail on ice will go in the direction based on the type of differential in the car and the grip of the ice or surface. 90 percent of the time to get it to fish tail you need to do a dirt trick turn right to go left In a right hand turn if you get oversteer the car will go to the left never to the inside of the turn. I am talking prior to loosing it as it becomes unstable in a condition like spinning. If your racing on hard pack and you hit a unpacked section your radius will increase as there will be more compression in the surface |
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Taichiskiing
On May 17, 5:40 am, downhill wrote:
What I am saying it is bull**** if you think you can slide to inside of turn, slow speeds do not count as your not developing enough forces to really be in a turn No. Your bull**** is that you're keeping using wrong assumptions to draw wrong conclusions and still thinking you are some kind of experts. No, you cannot slide to inside of a turn in skiing; it is not because the definitions of "skid" and "slip" are wrong but you've forgot to factor in the effects that slopes and gravity having on skis. And yes, you can slide a car to inside of a turn. In the movie "2 fast 2 furious in Tokyo," or something like that, it showed two cars raced on a parking lot ramp, slide/skid-turned all the way up to the upper level. airplane is not a proper example speed difference and aerodynamic forces make it a poor choice for an example vs a skier no contact patch, it is back to the snowmobile pushing the skier to the inside of the turn Airplane demonstrates the turning forces in 3D, and skiing is in 2D. The phenomenon maybe appear differently, but the underline principle is the same. A rear wheel drive doing a fish tail on ice will go in the direction based on the type of differential in the car and the grip of the ice or surface. 90 percent of the time to get it to fish tail you need to do a dirt trick turn right to go left In a right hand turn if you get oversteer the car will go to the left never to the inside of the turn. I am talking prior to loosing it as it becomes unstable in a condition like spinning. Too complicated, to recover from a skidding, turn the steering to the direction of the skidding; now, how do you recognize and recover a "slip" on a mountain road? If your racing on hard pack and you hit a unpacked section your radius will increase as there will be more compression in the surface Not really, if the unpacked surface is softer than the hard pack, than the car would slow down, and a slower car makes a shorter radius turn, so the increased radius may not be due to unpack surface but something else, e.g. tires lose their grip? |
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Taichiskiing
On May 16, 11:15 am, "Stuart" wrote:
"taichiskiing" wrote in message ... On May 16, 8:00 am, "Bob F" wrote: More like Scotty every day. Nothing to do Scott, that's just your denial. Please do tell us what all those lies were, so we know what to apologise for. All your denials, as well as all your bashings are lies. I did tell you that shameless lying is a bottomless pit, once you falling into it, you'd have no recourse for redemption. As Buddha said, "return (change previous behaviors), there's a safe shore." Good luck. Why go there? For the good of the board, some sanitizing is necessary sometimes. If more skiers speak up against their rants, we may get rip of these shameless net-bullies. IS |
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