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herringbone skate: why is it a shame?
I've never seen WC class racers going uphill using herring bone skate,
even up brutal hills, even when (seemingly) bonking. (Allright, actually, I've seen a Chinese woman doing that in one race, but she was also doing many funny things a WC racer is not supposed to do). Personally I've also never used HBS in any race; if I would see anyone switching to herringbone skate on a hill in front of me, I would immeadiately try to pass that person, since to me that's is a sign of bonking. Even when bonking myself I preferred suffering in V1 rather than switching to skate herringbone. But... As I am getting wimpier, or older, or both, I am starting to realize that skate herringbone is great when you feel tired, or when the snow is slow. What's funny, I don't find it to be much slower than V1, while it seems to require much less effort! Or is my V1 so bad? Question: why is it considered a shame among racers to herringbone skate then? Andrey. |
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herringbone skate: why is it a shame?
Actually in a recent article in Master Skier magazine, I think I remember
Vordenberg saying that single-poling on each side was a good idea for surviving a steep hill if you weren't strong enough to handle it with V1 offset skate. I tried it on a steep hill with deep soft snow a week ago, but it didn't seem to help, so I went back to V1. Maybe herringbone skate is better for firm snow? Andrey asked: Question: why is it considered a shame among racers to herringbone skate then? At the elite level I assume it's not "shame". Just that all the World Cup racers have awesomely strong abdominal and back muscles. The double-pole push in V1 offset allows them to use those muscles effectively. The single-pole pushes in herringbone skate do not. Ken |
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herringbone skate: why is it a shame?
I recall seeing (on video) the likes of Gunde Swan, Vladimir Smirnoff, and Bill
Koch herringbone up a wall in Biwabik during their World Cup skate race back in '86, but I think that was the last time! jw milwaukee |
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herringbone skate: why is it a shame?
There's a guy around here that regularly makes the "open competative" of NY
State's Empire State Games. He regualrly skates with a single stick, even in areas that aren't real steep. Looks weird. Works for him. I need to practice it more. Tried it a few days ago behind another skier doing it, and couldn't get it down. I seem to remember some women in the WC holding on to single stick - maybe Canmore Olympics. Gary Jacobson Rosendale, NY 6 inches with ice pellets coming down now. "J999w" wrote in message ... I recall seeing (on video) the likes of Gunde Swan, Vladimir Smirnoff, and Bill Koch herringbone up a wall in Biwabik during their World Cup skate race back in '86, but I think that was the last time! jw milwaukee |
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herringbone skate: why is it a shame?
I think part of the reason you never see top skiers doing herringbone skate
is that they are SO much fitter than most of us can even imagine. Herringbone skate is easier for most of us than V1 on steep hills because our legs are stronger and fitter than our upper bodies; herringbone skate relies more on leg strength than arm strength, while V1 requires much more upper body strength. My own sense of why I am not a great racer is that I don't have nearly the upper body strength of many of those I see fly by me, especially at the end of races. I remember at the end of Keskinada 50 k classic a few years ago, being passed by a number of people on the double-pole instensive parkways near the end, but catching them going up the final hills, where you actually had to start kicking again. My arms were utterly toast by about 40k, and if I'd been skating, I would definitely have resorted to herringbone. WC racers don't have to make such adjustments for lack of fitness/ strength, and so don't need to herringbone. Onno Oerlemans "revyakin" wrote in message om... I've never seen WC class racers going uphill using herring bone skate, even up brutal hills, even when (seemingly) bonking. (Allright, actually, I've seen a Chinese woman doing that in one race, but she was also doing many funny things a WC racer is not supposed to do). Personally I've also never used HBS in any race; if I would see anyone switching to herringbone skate on a hill in front of me, I would immeadiately try to pass that person, since to me that's is a sign of bonking. Even when bonking myself I preferred suffering in V1 rather than switching to skate herringbone. But... As I am getting wimpier, or older, or both, I am starting to realize that skate herringbone is great when you feel tired, or when the snow is slow. What's funny, I don't find it to be much slower than V1, while it seems to require much less effort! Or is my V1 so bad? Question: why is it considered a shame among racers to herringbone skate then? Andrey. |
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