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"og" wrote in message ...
Hey Phil, I typically ski and ride 50 or so days a year and ride deep powder easily on a 160 cm board. I see very few riders of any merit riding boards over 168 at any weight and super long boards languish in the shops because no-one wants them. To Andrew (BigFoot): I don't agree with Og's categorical dismissal of longer boards. However, I also don't believe that you should get an extra long freeride board just for the few powder days you might encounter (definitely not a 168, the 168 cm Osin 4807 board mentioned was a powder specific board). I say go for the Khyber or a Donek Wide 162. They carve extremely well on groomers (as good as a regular waisted freerider board that is), but are nice and wide and will give you good flotation. I think Mike T is like 190 lbs and rides a Wide 161 which he says gives him good powder performance without many tradeoffs... and this is from a guy whose favorite board is 184cm long (well before it was damaged by Randy). Only get a board like the OSin 4807, Prior Powstick, or RadAir Tanker 200cm if you are going to be spending weeks (like over 7 days) in big open powder bowls. You can buy a 178 cm 4807 on Ebay for $109-140 which I think will be an excellent board for powder bowls. |
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What's that tell you when BRAND NEW 178 snowboards can't even sell for $100.
There's some old hippie at Kirkwood with a swallow tail. He can barely get the thing pointed downhill. "Arvin Chang" wrote in message om... "og" wrote in message ... Hey Phil, I typically ski and ride 50 or so days a year and ride deep powder easily on a 160 cm board. I see very few riders of any merit riding boards over 168 at any weight and super long boards languish in the shops because no-one wants them. To Andrew (BigFoot): I don't agree with Og's categorical dismissal of longer boards. However, I also don't believe that you should get an extra long freeride board just for the few powder days you might encounter (definitely not a 168, the 168 cm Osin 4807 board mentioned was a powder specific board). I say go for the Khyber or a Donek Wide 162. They carve extremely well on groomers (as good as a regular waisted freerider board that is), but are nice and wide and will give you good flotation. I think Mike T is like 190 lbs and rides a Wide 161 which he says gives him good powder performance without many tradeoffs... and this is from a guy whose favorite board is 184cm long (well before it was damaged by Randy). Only get a board like the OSin 4807, Prior Powstick, or RadAir Tanker 200cm if you are going to be spending weeks (like over 7 days) in big open powder bowls. You can buy a 178 cm 4807 on Ebay for $109-140 which I think will be an excellent board for powder bowls. |
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What's that tell you when BRAND NEW 178 snowboards can't even sell for $100.
There's some old hippie at Kirkwood with a swallow tail. He can barely get the thing pointed downhill. "Arvin Chang" wrote in message To Andrew (BigFoot): I don't agree with Og's categorical dismissal of longer boards. However, I also don't believe that you should get an extra long freeride board just for the few powder days you might encounter (definitely not a 168, the 168 cm Osin 4807 board mentioned was a powder specific board). I say go for the Khyber or a Donek Wide 162. They carve extremely well on groomers (as good as a regular waisted freerider board that is), but are nice and wide and will give you good flotation. I think Mike T is like 190 lbs and rides a Wide 161 which he says gives him good powder performance without many tradeoffs... and this is from a guy whose favorite board is 184cm long (well before it was damaged by Randy). Only get a board like the OSin 4807, Prior Powstick, or RadAir Tanker 200cm if you are going to be spending weeks (like over 7 days) in big open powder bowls. You can buy a 178 cm 4807 on Ebay for $109-140 which I think will be an excellent board for powder bowls. Thank you guys for your advise. I hate wide boards, I tried Never Summer Legacy once and that was by far the worst board I've ever ridden. So it brings me back to Khyber. I agree with og, looong board would probably an overkill. But Im heavier than you, so I need more floatation. Khyber 165 might be real fun. And my board of choice will still be my Shogun 166, the best stick I've ever had under my feet. |
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og wrote:
What's that tell you when BRAND NEW 178 snowboards can't even sell for $100. For one thing, swallow tails are a lot more specialized than other more versatile long boards. For another, most snowboarders are brainwashed by the hype and on the wrong equipment for their riding, regardless of length. Anything outside of their 152-162 cm popsicle stick board is outside their experience. Neil |
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"og" wrote in message ...
Hey Phil, I typically ski and ride 50 or so days a year and ride deep powder easily on a 160 cm board. I see very few riders of any merit riding boards over 168 at any weight and super long boards languish in the shops because no-one wants them. In a weird coincidence, BomberOnline has a thread today on shortest and longest boards. A few people listed have 210cm boards and one guy (CMC) has a 228 cm board!!! Realize that these are alpine snowboards, which typically run at least 5-10 cm longer than a freeride board, and these super longboards are VERY specialized (only a handful of people in the world ride these lengths) and can only be ridden in very unique, open, wide terrain at *extremely* high speeds. http://www.bomberonline.com/VBulleti... threadid=2325 Just thought you might find it interesting. |
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Long alpine boards (was: more "universal" powder board)
http://www.bomberonline.com/VBulleti... threadid=2325 Just thought you might find it interesting. I took a few runs on one of those 210s in March... I don't imagine I'll ever own anything that long, but it sure was fun to ride! You wind up going pretty fast without trying. I had the most fun on a big, wide, empty, low-intermediate groomer, I didn't dare push it on anything narrow of steep lest I get going too fast. I do see myself owning something about 190 or 195 someday, with a similar sidecut radius (17 m) to that 210 though. When I tried it out I was actually more interested in knowing what a 17m sidecut felt like (that's over twice what most people use - high 7's to low 8's) than a 210 board.... I now know that I can carve that sidecut on the right kind of trails, but 210 cm on a 17m sidecut makes for a board that really locks into a carve... I would only recommend a board like that for the most skilled, most aggressive riders out there... riders who are better than I am. If I ever go with something with a monster sidecut like that (essentially a SuperG board), it will almost surely be a custom job, probably 190 - 195 like I mentioned above, and it would be slightly tapered to make for easier exit from turns... which could be the thing to keep me out of the hospital (For comparison, my 184 had a 13.2 m sidecut... and a slight taper of 4 mm from tip to tail... that was enough to keep if from every feeling locked in when I needed to get out of the carve and skid to slow or stop. But when I wanted to groove on it, it really stayed in the groove well. I am glad I'm getting a replacement over the summer / fall!) Mike T |
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BigFoot wrote in message ...
Thank you guys for your advise. I hate wide boards, I tried Never Summer Legacy once and that was by far the worst board I've ever ridden. So it brings me back to Khyber. I agree with og, looong board would probably an overkill. But Im heavier than you, so I need more floatation. Khyber 165 might be real fun. And my board of choice will still be my Shogun 166, the best stick I've ever had under my feet. Do you realize that the Khyber is roughly as wide as the Donek Wide (that is to say the Khyber is wider than you think and the Wider is narrow than your think). The Wide is sort of a misnomer as the Donek Incline is really narrow, the Wide is a little wide, and the Sasquatch is really wide. I'm told (although I don't know) that the Donek Wide is much better than most wide boards because of it's torsional stiffness... but don't believe... go demo one for free from Donek (they send one to you to try out for free!). I wish Prior had a similar demo program. Good luck on your purchasing decision. |
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Only get a board like the OSin 4807, Prior Powstick, or RadAir Tanker
200cm if you are going to be spending weeks (like over 7 days) in big open powder bowls. You can buy a 178 cm 4807 on Ebay for $109-140 which I think will be an excellent board for powder bowls. Well, for a dissenting opinion. I'm pretty sure I'll buy a powder specific board for next season... the 168 O'Sin fishtail is likely what I'll pick up. I expect there will be maybe 4 or 5 good storms that will justify riding it. That's not nearly weeks in open bowls... but, I look at it this way. Think of the best powder run you had this whole season. Now imagine you could make that run, that whole day, even better. Seems like it's worth $100 and change for a board off ebay or closeout from a shop. And og obviously just doesn't know how to accept anything that doesn't fit current fashion. I've seen plenty of people here on Hood that ride swallows and ride them well. Heck, there's a whole crew of hilarious middle aged perma-drunk locals at timberline that ride all nitro swallow tails, and ride them quite well. I've seem them pop a lot of stylish grabs off hits on those boards, so I'm pretty sure they know their way around a park too. I've also ridden with someone on a 200cm rad air tanker that can do single mogul turns with it. Technique seems to dwarf all other factors, fashion included. Ohh... and I've riden my Wide 161 in powder enough now to state that it is most satisfactory. Of course, I'm barely 150lbs so it doesn't take much to float me . |
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Hmm.... darn you guys! (I blamed you Mike specifically =]). I already
have like three boards this year (compared to one last year) - a freestyle board, my freeride board, and my alpine board. Hey, give yourself a pat on the back for sticking with three. I had five at one point this season, then I sold one (too many short sticks) and killed one (actually, a friend killed it and he's replacing it) so now I'm down to three. Have no fear, I have two new boards plus the replacement Coiler coming over the summer and fall so I'll be fully loaded with 6 for next winter. Mike T |
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