What one thing...

Paul Christofanelli wrote:

Read it and judge for yourself.

I did. Both.


Ski connection? Neal Beidleman (sp?), another guide on that
expedition, used to race periodically at the old Eldora Nighthawk
Series night races and generally kicked everyone's ass.

Charlotte Fox was a Snowmass ski patroller ...

AstroPax wrote:

Personally, I'll probably never use a "guide" for anything....because
to hire a guide seems so...ummmm..."Texan".

Didn't you go to school? If so, you paid someone to guide you through a
subject; same difference. But it's you who has to do the
learning/climbing, and you're still responsible for your own progress.

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:39:12 -0600, Bob Lee wrote:

AstroPax wrote:

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:00:57 -0400, Dave Stallard
wrote:

guide services have no
business being on mountains like Everest. Too many conflicts of
interest between business success and safety.

Sounds like the typical liberal, democrat line: If it's dangerous in
any way, shape or form, it has to be regulated !!!

Sounds like typical conservative romanticized foolishness: I've got some
bad news for you - Everrest is already regulated all to ****.

News? I never said Everest wasn't regulated, already.

Besides, it's not "bad news" for me....because I could care less. I
was simply responding to the post by Stallard in which he implied that
guiding should not me allowed ("have no business") on any big
mountain ("mountains like Everest"), not Everest only.

Regardless, who is to say what one can or can't do, like getting
themselves killed by doing something stupid.

Who? The Nepalese and Chinese governments to name a couple.

I highly doubt those Governments could have ever saved any of the
lives ever lost on Everest, short of prohibiting access to just about
everyone (as done previously).

It's simple, if you are not willing to assume the inherent risk, don't
participate.

Or bother to fill out the requisite paperwork or submit the fees.

Yes, if you don't want to assume risk, don't ever sign anything!

Personally, I'll probably never use a "guide" for anything....because
to hire a guide seems so...ummmm..."Texan".

Haven't been to Silverton then yet, have you?

Nope. Thought about it, did some research, then made the decision
that it probably isn't worth it (for me).

-Astro

Walt wrote:
: lal_truckee wrote:
: Jeff Davis wrote:
:
: Universal Pictures. Appearantly they're shooting a film
: of the 1996 climbing disaster there.
:
: I sure hope they're not doing Krakauer's self serving book that
: slandered Boukreev.

: IIRC, David Breashears was there when it happend too. He's probably
: filming *his* take on it, not Krauauer's. Krackaur may have sparked
: interest in the incident with his book, but he doesn't own a copyright
: on the story.

: That jerk Krakauer had more experience than just
: about anyone else on the mountain, excluding guides; and hid in his tent
: when it was all going down.

I read Krackauer's "Into Thin Air" also and was riveted by the story. I
did not read Boukreev's "The Climb", but my understanding is that he
felt unfairly maligned by Krackauer's book. There were some very
interesting exchanges between "The Climb" co-author DeWalt and Krackauer
that occurred in the letters column of some magazine (they were
available on the web) that shed some more light on the issue. I don't
remember if it was quite 'kiss and make up' but there was some kind
of semi-positive resolution. And of course Boukreev later got killed in
an avalanche on another peak, making the story even more tragic (but
that's what climbers do...).

Anyway, I really didn't think that Boukreev came off that badly in
Krackauer's book. I don't remember him ever coming out and saying that
Boukreev just flat out cut and run and saved himself . He did point out
that some clients questioned his apparent abandonment of their climbing
party. He also gave Boukreev plenty of credit for his heroic effort
going back up the mountain and rescuing whomever he could find, noted
the tradeoffs of Boukreev going down to camp to recover (and get oxygen)
and then returning to the mountain (versus staying up high), and even
diss'ed himself for being completely helpless and unwilling/unable to go
out again. He also pointed out that no two people have the same
recollections of certain key events and that the altitude simply makes
it almost impossible to think straight.

Read it and judge for yourself. A fascinating book. I want to
check out "Into the Void" when I can. I'm sure "The Climb"
would be captivating also.

Ski connection? Neal Beidleman (sp?), another guide on that
expedition, used to race periodically at the old Eldora Nighthawk
Series night races and generally kicked everyone's ass.

-Paul C.

pigo wrote:
'Tis better to have and not need than need and not have.


That's debateable.

-klaus

Jeff Davis wrote:
I don't wear underwear when I ski anymore.

TMI

5 years ago I got slammed by the
RSA fashion police over duofold union suits.

Rightfully so.

Training for Denali, I did
some skiing in shorts. Mountain Hardwear Canyon Shorts to be specific. And
A Mountain Hardwear Power Stretch Zip T that Mountain Hardwear modifies
specifically for me with a locking zipper.

They are paying you. right?

I also wore a BCA Tracker
Avalanche Tranceiver and a Black Diamond ice pack with a shovel and probe
in it.

They are paying you. right?

When one is skiing in shorts, *all* terrain is a no fall zone.

dOOd,, SiMpLiFy: sKi nAked.

-klaus

In article ,
klaus wrote:
pigo wrote:
'Tis better to have and not need than need and not have.

That's debateable.

Yeah. I just got off the phone with Talkeetna Air Taxi. The only thing
I'm not taking up the hill with me is a change of clothes. I doubt I'll get
under 70 lbs. So I'll be paying the $50.00 overweight charge with Northwestern
to get my gear to Anchorage for 70 to 99.9 lbs of baggage. The only thing
I'm doubling up on is a stove.

Alpinism is the minimalist approach, right?
--
According to John Perry Barlow, "Jeff Davis is a truly gifted trouble-maker."

In article ,
Lisa Horton wrote:
What I've been finding so far is that the motions of putting a ski on
edge still seem similar to how I remember skating. For me, it's
rolling and putting the weight on the one side (big toe side). I'm
pleased to be starting to be able to feel what's going on down there.

Fitting your boots with a half heel lift on the inside helps put your
weight bearing on the outside of your foot, (the pinky toe side). That
stabalizes your base and makes the edging easier. But you can't rent
fitted boots...
--
According to John Perry Barlow, "Jeff Davis is a truly gifted trouble-maker."

Jeff Davis wrote:

In article ,
Lisa Horton wrote:
What I've been finding so far is that the motions of putting a ski on
edge still seem similar to how I remember skating. For me, it's
rolling and putting the weight on the one side (big toe side). I'm
pleased to be starting to be able to feel what's going on down there.

Fitting your boots with a half heel lift on the inside helps put your
weight bearing on the outside of your foot, (the pinky toe side). That
stabalizes your base and makes the edging easier. But you can't rent
fitted boots...

At first that seemed counterintuitive, until I actually pictured it in
action in my mind. Isn't that "canting" the boot?

Lisa

In article ,
lal_truckee wrote:
Jeff Davis wrote:
Universal Pictures. Appearantly they're shooting a film
of the 1996 climbing disaster there.

I sure hope they're not doing Krakauer's self serving book that
slandered Boukreev. That jerk Krakauer had more experience than just
about anyone else on the mountain, excluding guides; and hid in his tent
when it was all going down. Then he had the nerve to slam Anatoli.

I didn't go see Krakauer when he was in Jackson last year. I couldn't
have resisted asking him if he regretted publishing the work quickly to
cash in on the international publicity the disaster garnered. Breashers
didn't film any of the rescue operations the Imax crew stagged. They
gave their camp IV cache to the rescue effort, jepordizing the success of
the Imax Expedition.

Then again, us Wyoming natives help our neighbors out. That's the standard,
not the exception.

My take on that whole Russki bad guy slant has to do with the decisions made
to leave Weathers and Namba behind to die. If Beck passed on like an
ordinary mortal human being one would have very little substance to argue
contrary to 'Toli's decision not to bring them into camp IV. Boukreev
recovered all the Mountain Madness clients, didn't he.
--
According to John Perry Barlow, "Jeff Davis is a truly gifted trouble-maker."