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Matt wrote:
Arvin, Did you get a chance to ride the tanker? If so, how did it compare to the Reto Lamm You might find this thread helpful: http://www.bomberonline.com/VBulleti...ad.php?t=10145 Neil |
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Yeah, I read that thread already. I'm looking for even more
comparisons. I'm greedy that way. --Matt |
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Matt wrote:
Arvin, Did you get a chance to ride the tanker? If so, how did it compare to the Reto Lamm Hi Matt, I did indeed got some runs on the Tanker 172cm. It dumped around 6 feet of snow this week, with the last foot coming the night I drove up... It took me a few runs to dial in the stance angles and setback that I wanted. I settled on a 24/12 angle with a 21" stance and 2-3" setback (last set of inserts all the way back - the Fish default inserts are already 2-3" back and on that I was riding 21/9 degrees, I normally ride 18/3 on my freeride/freestyle boards). After that the board came alive in the deep, deep powder. It doesn't have the fat nose and taper of the Fish, but I found it had good float... far better than say my old Donek Phoenix 155 (I would certainly hope so given the extra 17cm it has in length). Compared to your Phoenix, the longer, damp nose will let you cruise through bumpy, choppy snow much more easily. I think the Tanker you got will be a great companion. While physically it is still a long board, the carbon aramid construction (whatever that is, I'm more concerned with actual performance than technical jargon) makes the board feel much lighter and somewhat shorter... it definitely is easier to swing around than a Osin 4807 168cm, while not as light to swing around as the Phoenix 155 (I would say it feels like a 162ish board) I had not trouble doing jumps turns with it on steep slopes and negotiating medium tightness tree runs (i.e. if you were to stick your arms out, you could just catch a tree with each hand - with the Fish I could hit any gap so long as I could fit my body through it). While it has a longer sidecut radius than the Reto, the softer flex makes it easier handling than the Reto (definitely easier to handle in powder and trees despite the longer lnegth). It doesn't quite have the superior edge hold and snow-bound laser feel (where the Tanker likes to cruise through crud, the Reto power/blasts through crud). That's not to say that Tanker doesn't carve well, but more like a how luxury car goes through tight mountain turns compared to a sports car. Even in the park/pipe the Tanker was again a little long, but definitely handled much better than it ought to give it's long length. With the Tanker I can actually take a real run through the park and not just ride the through to "prove" that people can ride 165+ boards in the park well. I know recent history has says otherwise, but I really don't like having lots of snowboards... I just accepted having a large collection as a side effect of trying out a lot of boards to find out which ones I really like. I definitely think the Tanker takes the award for the best powder-capable freeride board and I'm definitely going to try and get rid of a bunch of my other boards now (and hopefully not have the urge to check out more boards... for at least another few years). |
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lonerider wrote: Matt wrote: Arvin, Did you get a chance to ride the tanker? If so, how did it compare to the Reto Lamm Hi Matt, I did indeed got some runs on the Tanker 172cm. It dumped around 6 feet of snow this week, with the last foot coming the night I drove up... It took me a few runs to dial in the stance angles and setback that I wanted. I settled on a 24/12 angle with a 21" stance and 2-3" setback (last set of inserts all the way back - the Fish default inserts are already 2-3" back and on that I was riding 21/9 degrees, I normally ride 18/3 on my freeride/freestyle boards). After that the board came alive in the deep, deep powder. It doesn't have the fat nose and taper of the Fish, but I found it had good float... far better than say my old Donek Phoenix 155 (I would certainly hope so given the extra 17cm it has in length). Compared to your Phoenix, the longer, damp nose will let you cruise through bumpy, choppy snow much more easily. I think the Tanker you got will be a great companion. While physically it is still a long board, the carbon aramid construction (whatever that is, I'm more concerned with actual performance than technical jargon) makes the board feel much lighter and somewhat shorter... it definitely is easier to swing around than a Osin 4807 168cm, while not as light to swing around as the Phoenix 155 (I would say it feels like a 162ish board) I had not trouble doing jumps turns with it on steep slopes and negotiating medium tightness tree runs (i.e. if you were to stick your arms out, you could just catch a tree with each hand - with the Fish I could hit any gap so long as I could fit my body through it). While it has a longer sidecut radius than the Reto, the softer flex makes it easier handling than the Reto (definitely easier to handle in powder and trees despite the longer lnegth). It doesn't quite have the superior edge hold and snow-bound laser feel (where the Tanker likes to cruise through crud, the Reto power/blasts through crud). That's not to say that Tanker doesn't carve well, but more like a how luxury car goes through tight mountain turns compared to a sports car. Even in the park/pipe the Tanker was again a little long, but definitely handled much better than it ought to give it's long length. With the Tanker I can actually take a real run through the park and not just ride the through to "prove" that people can ride 165+ boards in the park well. I know recent history has says otherwise, but I really don't like having lots of snowboards... I just accepted having a large collection as a side effect of trying out a lot of boards to find out which ones I really like. I definitely think the Tanker takes the award for the best powder-capable freeride board and I'm definitely going to try and get rid of a bunch of my other boards now (and hopefully not have the urge to check out more boards... for at least another few years). I took the 177w out this past saturday. I made the horrid mistake of going to heavenly to see if it was actually as bad as everyone says. Needless to say, I don't imagine ever going back. I spent far to much time skating along and completely blew out my legs by noon. This plus the rather poor visibility that made it impossible to see the contours of the hill lead to a couple nasty spills. I suspect my initial impressions will change once I get a chance to take the board out again, but here they are for what it is worth. Oh one more caveat, I was riding 31/15 and about and completely centered on the board. I also narrowed my stance a bit, I have been riding the Phoenix with the widest possible stance using the the from 4 holes on the front and the back 4 holes in the back. I to illustrate: Phoenix: xoo oox Tanker: oxo oxo So clearly I played with a lot of variables, and I wasn't smart enough to take a tool up on the hill with me. All that said, the tanker floats like a champ in the powder even at slow speeds. I think I only got stuck once and that was when I scrubbed all my speed by accident and went into some very flat, deep powder. It didn't seem as agile between the trees as the Phoenix but that could just be a comfort thing, I certainly didn't have any trouble turning the board. My problems were all on the moguled, chopped up, pistes. I felt like I was getting bounced around a lot by the moguls and the board didn't feel as stable as the Phoenix which feels like it cuts through crud better. This could have more to do with the lack of visibility and the narrowing of my stance than the board itself. I really need to get it out on the groomers when I can actually see the slope before I actually can say for sure. Overall, I really enjoyed the board. I am hopeful that the issues I have with the board will be resolved by getting my stance and angle dialed in, and I can't wait to get it up on a big bowl so I can really open it up a bit. I figured I would splurge and just try the various boards I have been looking at so I am planning to compare this to the sasquach 170 and I will hopefully get a chance to go up to whistler next season and give the Priors a spin. Then I can actually help people on this group rather than keep asking for advise. I will followup once I get a chance to take the Tanker out in better conditions. --Matt |
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Matt wrote: I took the 177w out this past saturday. I made the horrid mistake of going to heavenly to see if it was actually as bad as everyone says. Needless to say, I don't imagine ever going back. I spent far to much time skating along and completely blew out my legs by noon. This plus the rather poor Yea, I've usually refuse to go to Heavenly. Although Heavenly does have some very nice isolated tree runs if you can get over to them. Oh one more caveat, I was riding 31/15 and about and completely centered on the board. I also narrowed my stance a bit, I have been riding the Phoenix with the widest possible stance using the the from 4 holes on the front At 6'3", I think you should have a wider stance than that. I'm 5'9" and I used the last set of inserts (xxo xxo). With them push towards each other to give me a 21" stance. You are 6" taller than me, which makes me think you stance should at least be 2" wider (around shoulder width) which would suggest something like (x0x xx0). The wider stance will let you be more stable, also moving the bindings back will give you more length at the front which might help absorb the bumps better. Hopefully it will all click together when you get your stance dialed in. It sounds like you have a good plan on boards at stuff. I would recommend the Priors (next season check out their demo schedule as they always do a loop through Tahoe resorts). |
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Never Summer make excellent big mountain boards. Check out the Titan,
Premier and T5. I ride a Legacy and love it. This board is a rocket! http://www.neversummer.com/boards.php Never Summer has a dealer in Norway: Aktiv og ung As Tel: 47 22 605 544 |
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lonerider wrote: Matt wrote: I took the 177w out this past saturday. I made the horrid mistake of going to heavenly to see if it was actually as bad as everyone says. Needless to say, I don't imagine ever going back. I spent far to much time skating along and completely blew out my legs by noon. This plus the rather poor Yea, I've usually refuse to go to Heavenly. Although Heavenly does have some very nice isolated tree runs if you can get over to them. Oh one more caveat, I was riding 31/15 and about and completely centered on the board. I also narrowed my stance a bit, I have been riding the Phoenix with the widest possible stance using the the from 4 holes on the front At 6'3", I think you should have a wider stance than that. I'm 5'9" and I used the last set of inserts (xxo xxo). With them push towards each other to give me a 21" stance. You are 6" taller than me, which makes me think you stance should at least be 2" wider (around shoulder width) which would suggest something like (x0x xx0). The wider stance will let you be more stable, also moving the bindings back will give you more length at the front which might help absorb the bumps better. I took the board out again this sunday. I went with a much wider stance (x00 00x with the bindings pushed towards the center) and I dialed back the angles to 27/9. I don't know if it mostly those changes or the incredibly improved visibility and they much more snowboard friendly slopes of sugarbowl, but the board road like a dream. Great float on the small amount of powder I found, and amazing speed and glide. I had less trouble with chatter and getting bounced off my edge this time as well. I still think I prefer the agility of the Phoenix between the trees and over moguled snow, but for steep blues and powder the Tanker is a champ. --Matt |
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