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trail fees in Norway someday?
Terje Mathisen wrote
there is just _NO_ _WAY_ we [in Norway] can make people pay for the privilege of skating on a somewhat better trail than what they can do for free anywhere else. That same argument could have been made about France not so many years ago. What I heard was that Les Saisies was the first ski center in France to start charging a fee for using their groomed XC trails. Nowadays my experience is that virtually every reputable ski center in France now charges some trail fee. The best charge significantly more, and for me that extra is often worth paying. Of course there are many discounts for local season passes and student "snow days". And I'd guess that hotel guests at resort town can get a free pass to ski on that town's trails -- so it might seem to some visitors like the skiing is "free". If by "no way", Terje means that most people in Norway just take cross-country skiing for granted, and they do not care enough about it to be willing to ever pay for it -- then I'll have to take his word on that. I can recognize that cross-country skiers in France have a passion for the "joie de glisse nordique". Perhaps that comes from feeling the need to _justify_ why they're choosing to do cross-country over against the great lift-served downhill and backcountry mountain touring which France offers - (similar situation in Italy). Or perhaps that passion is enhanced by being required to choose to _pay_ for it. Anyway the price of the ski trail pass in continental Europe is often less than the cost of _driving_ a car from the city up to the ski center and back. So for an intelligent skier the choice is not between skiing with cost versus skiing without cost. It's rather a choice of * good skiing for the cost of fuel and wear-and-tear on car plus time for driving plus trail fee. .. . . versus . . . * inferior skiing for the cost of fuel and wear-and-tear on car and time for driving. Ken, as you probably realize from your frequent visits to Scandinavia . . . Actually I have not made many visits to Norway or Sweden. And not any, after I discovered the quality of the skiing in France (and recently Italy). Ken _________________________________________________ Terje Mathisen wrote Ken Roberts wrote: Terje Mathisen wrote I have noticed that several places here in Norway seems to have heard the plea: "More skating trails!" Norway is another country that ought to send a delegation to the Antholz (Anterselva) biathlon center with the question: How can we duplicate this back home? I notice that the better cross-country skiing centers in France are starting to charge more _money_ for a single-day ski pass. At least one is over 8 Euros -- I paid it and had a delightful skiing experience. Charge more money and _deliver_ a substantially better skiing experience (grooming + fun trail design) for truly serious skiers. And offer discounts to families and school groups who come for a snow day. (Actually that's 8 Euros is substantially less than what some good XC ski centers in the US charge for a single-day ski pass) Ken, as you probably realize from your frequent visits to Scandinavia, there is just _NO_ _WAY_ we can make people pay for the privilege of skating on a somewhat better trail than what they can do for free anywhere else. Terje _________________________________________________ |
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Ken Roberts wrote:
If by "no way", Terje means that most people in Norway just take cross-country skiing for granted, and they do not care enough about it to be willing to ever pay for it -- then I'll have to take his word on that. I Quite a few people (about 10% or 50,000 in Oslo), are willing to support the local ski clubs who maintain the trails and set tracks, what we cannot ever do is to charge for day passes: Here in Oslo you have at least 100 different places where you can start skiing from, and more than 2500 km of set tracks, making it impossible to either set up a central fee collection location, or to police the ski trails looking for non-payers. This is actually an important part of Swedish/Norwegian heritage: Everyone has 'right of way' on any undeveloped land, private or public, and in wintertime this includes all snow-covered fields as well. Ken, as you probably realize from your frequent visits to Scandinavia . . . Actually I have not made many visits to Norway or Sweden. And not any, after I discovered the quality of the skiing in France (and recently Italy). Oh Ken! You need to ski the Holmenkollen 50 K trail (16.7 x 3) during the last week before the world cup event. As I reported here we did so during the last evening/night, wearing night-O halogen headlamps. :-) Terje -- - "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching" |
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If more places start charging fees for groomed skiing, isn't the main
driver the fact that nowadays you need a US$100k+ grooming machine to do an "adequate" job? 30 years ago a nordic ski joint could get away with a homemade track sled and a snowmobile pulling a mattress....... |
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maybe charging trail fees in Norway would be as gasoline prices in usa
went up to our 5-6dollars a gallon level today. ----- unthinkable :-) |
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