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On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:00:58 -0400, "Tommy T."
wrote: "Gary S." wrote I'll let you start counting altitude from the ocean floor, if you start your hike there. Being a little inconsistent there aren't you Gary? Where do you start those Colorado 14ers, Needham? I was replying to lukasz, who was saying that some claim Mauna Kea as starting from the sea floor. Geologically, it is a volcano that is far higher than Everest, if there were no ocean. We always count from sea level, and I was suggesting how one could make a more interesting hike. You can't claim a bigger climb without doing a bigger climb. Tommy T. Explanations for the uninitiated number 1: some Colorado 14ers have roads clear to the top and others can be approached by 4 wheel drive or mountain bike or horse. For purposes of claiming an ascent of a 14er, various standards have been suggested. One frequently asserted rule is that one should hike/climb at least 3000 feet to claim a 14er. There are many "rules" as to what peaks count. In New England, the AMC has the list of official 4000 footers. A summit must be at least 200 feet above the ridge connecting it to the next peak, otherwise it is considered a shoulder of the other. The Munroes in Scotland have a similar rule, differentiating between summits and "tops". When altimeters, and then GPS became common, the list had to be redone to correct for the older map's inaccuracies. The Adirondack 4000 footer list has never changed, although in fact resurveying has shown that some should be added and others removed. Where one starts in order to "claim" the summit is interesting. Any set of rules will be somewhat arbitrary Some do Mount Washington in NH by driving to a trailhead at 3000 feet, and going up Ridge of the Caps to Jefferson, and then over to Washington. Is this "cheating" over starting at 2600 feet (Ammanoosuc Trail) or 2200 feet (Pinkham Notch)? Denali at one point could only be climbed by starting about 30 miles away, at about 1000 feet of altitude, with some hairy river crossings. More recently, almost everyone starts by flying in to the Muldrow Glacier at 7000 feet. Does this mean that none of these Muldrow starts will count? Goran Krupp seemed to be quite the purist. When he climbed Everest, he started by cycling from his home in Sweden to the base of the mountain, soloed to the summit, and then rode home. He did several other trips in this style. Explanations for the uninitiated number 2: Gary S. lives in a town near the Atlantic Ocean where the lowest parts are barely above mean high tide. My house is about 30 meters above MSL, according to the USGS map and my GPS. I think I'm OK until the ice caps are about half-melted. The nearest part of Dorchester Bay is about 10 miles due East, and relatively few waves make it this far. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) ------------------------------------------------ at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom |
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:13:26 GMT, Dave Stallard
wrote: "Gary S." wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:01:03 -0700, Lukasz Salwinski wrote: Gary S. wrote: On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 23:56:30 -1000, (Janet) wrote: Mauna Kea comes pretty close, though, at 13,667 feet. not to mention, some count from the ocean floor ;o) lukasz I'll let you start counting altitude from the ocean floor, if you start your hike there. I think you just gave somebody (not me!) an idea for his next adventure stunt. How far down below the ocean does Mauna Kea start? I believe the Navy has deep-sea diver suits (really, person-shaped wearable submarines) that are rated for 2,000 ft or more. Dave From sea floor to summit it towers more than 5.6 miles (9 km), larger than Everest from the surrounding area or from sea level. The ultimate climb, one would step out of the bathysphere at the lowest sea floor, and then climb along the ocean bottom to the shore line, where you would change out of the deep sea diving suit, climb up to the summit, and then launch from the summit with a hang glider and catch thermals as high as possible. If anyone actually does this, I should get royalties Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) ------------------------------------------------ at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom |
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"Gary S." wrote Some do Mount Washington in NH by driving to a trailhead at 3000 feet, and going up Ridge of the Caps to Jefferson, and then over to Washington. Is this "cheating" over starting at 2600 feet (Ammanoosuc Trail) or 2200 feet (Pinkham Notch)? Well, you sent me to my maps. I maintain the Tuckerman Crossover Trail and visit it three time a year, always hiking up and often visiting the summit. I've started at 1300 ft at Appalacia to the North and right at 1000 ft on the Davis Path to the South, in addition to those you've mentioned and a lot more. Tommy T. |
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 15:36:33 -0700, lal_truckee
wrote: Jean-Marc Boivin launched a glider off Everest's peak in 1988 - lousy thermals, tho; high sink rate. P.S. Didn't Steve McKinney and crew do an earlier flight from the West Ridge? I believe that some French climbers do what is called an enchainment, where they climb Face A, use a parapente (a parachute that functions like a hang glider) to descend to the base of climb B, and so on. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) ------------------------------------------------ at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom |
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Gary S. wrote:
From sea floor to summit it towers more than 5.6 miles (9 km), larger than Everest from the surrounding area or from sea level. The ultimate climb, one would step out of the bathysphere at the lowest sea floor, and then climb along the ocean bottom to the shore line, where you would change out of the deep sea diving suit, climb up to the summit, and then launch from the summit with a hang glider and catch thermals as high as possible. If anyone actually does this, I should get royalties Jean-Marc Boivin launched a glider off Everest's peak in 1988 - lousy thermals, tho; high sink rate. P.S. Didn't Steve McKinney and crew do an earlier flight from the West Ridge? |
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My Black Shepherd was the quickest dog to ever pick up avy rescue that I've
ever seen. I buried my buddy (with avalung) in a pit ~3 feet deep, 300 yards from where my dog was tied up out of line-of-site, wandered around the snowfield for quite a bit before going back to her to avoid the possibility of her just following my tracks to him. When I told her to 'go get it' (a keyword we had been using since she was a puppy to find hidden articles, inlcuding people under blankets, behind bushes, etc.), she stuck her nose to the ground and started a classic 'Z' search pattern. Her pattern carried her right past where my buddy was buried, she passed right near the spot where he was buried, just beyond it she cocked her nose in the air, spun around on her heels and actually dug him up. She repeated this type of performance enough times that we stopped testing her after a couple of years. Shepherds have wiry hair which very few snow conditions will stick to, they are extremely intelligent, and mine has showed an amazing ability to tolerate the freakin idiot Labs that people insist on brining into the backcountry with no manners or training. She has been attacked numerous times, always giving the lab, husky or chow a look like, sheesh, what an idiot. She did have to put one exceptionally persistent doby on it's ass one time. Should have seen the stupid owners face, like "hey I have a doberman, it's supposed to be bad ass". She sent it home shivering. By the way, they are excellent climbers too, she summated 15 14ers with me (including winter ascents) before she had to retire to family hikes/skis/snowshoes. 14ers, what can I say, Colorado boasts 54 (depending on which list you accept). Californians like to point out that they have a few and get their nose bent out of shape and try to equate us with Texans. Well...they can have the freakin place, people climbing all over each other has been my experience with the Sierras. Try to make a day trip and bag Whitney and see what comes of it, took me two years to get a permit, and then all I saw was **** strewn about the mountain above 12,000 feet and at the base of the East face. Alaska, ahhh...if one could find gainful employment and not have to **** ugly fat chicks (99% of unattached Alaskan women) it would be paradise. Oh, back to the original posting on this thread, I'm not seeing a lot of folks lining up to sign this guy up for a NYE climb. I would suggest Mt. Bross (from the East, 3 to 4 hrs. depending on fitness), Mt. Elbert (from the East, 3 to 4 hrs.), or even Mt. Sherman (again from the East 2 to 3 hrs). Eastern aspects get the early light, which can make snow conditions unstable, so get an early start. Late December snows are not known for great stability. I had an incredible day on La Plata (North-Western slopes) in April, about 3100 vert of crampon/ice axe work on moderate slopes, stay away from the steeper aspects, get up on the ridge early and enjoy the views and the trek. My recollection of Shavano is that the Western slopes (most likely approach, specially in winter) are pretty steep and somewhat grassy, very good terrain for avy conditions. Quandry is a nice winter climb, but somewhat long and you can't see the approach very well from the trailhead (or even the highway) which makes it difficult to assess the conditions up higher. Nice skiing on the descent when conditions are even fair though. Vinnie "Kurt Knisely" wrote in message ... In article , B. Cooke says... On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Bob Lee wrote: avalung and inflatable balloon backpack thing are debatable items. Hey, how about an avy-rescue dog? Those are handy. Too funny... Every once in a blue moon I ski with my roomate; his Husky is quite proficient as a rescue dog (or so I've been assured). Problem is: the damned thing hates me, so I doubt its utility. I can visualize the headlines now... "Man rescued by dog, bleeds to death from bites" I've seen a number of Labrador Retrievers trained as Avy dogs. I guess they have good sniffers and lots of energy, but I'm not sure I've ever met a "smart" one? -K |
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check my other posting cali-boy, you californicators don't have the market
cornered on 'correctness' either. "It is not a tooomah, it is Los Angeles" (soon to be the next sound-bite from your governer). V "lal_truckee" wrote in message ... MoonMan wrote: In , B. Cooke typed: On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Bob Lee wrote: avalung and inflatable balloon backpack thing are debatable items. Hey, how about an avy-rescue dog? Those are handy. Too funny... Every once in a blue moon I ski with my roomate; his Husky is quite proficient as a rescue dog (or so I've been assured). Problem is: the damned thing hates me, so I doubt its utility. Sorry to be an ignorant Brit, but what is a 14ner, apart from a very succseful conker? A 14ner is one of the 14,000 foot peaks in the contiguous United States. (I believe "contiguous" is part of the definition - usually the Alaskan and Hawaiian 14,000+ peaks are not included? Correct?) BTW Collyradicans misbelieve that they have cornered the market on 14ners, and so assume when speaking of 14ners - as usual, they are incorrect. |
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