Turning on flat skis?

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taichiskiing wrote:

On Nov 24, 10:24 am, Alan Baker wrote:
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taichiskiing wrote:

Your eyes maybe read them fine, but it's your little brain can't
comprehend them.

I've also been a ski racer.

Yeah right, have you won any title, ever?

What does that have to do with whether or not I've been coached in the
correct techniques to do it?

You were bragging about that you were racer, and yet, what you have
not won any title proves that your racing techniques/knowledge has
already failed, what do you "have" to "coach in correct techniques"?

I wasn't bragging. I was pointing it out. If you do something for years,
you learn about it.


Yes, sorry for your delusion. Only real good skiers do line-skiing,
and line-skiing is flatboarding/Flatskiing based. As he said, carved
turns are only about 2%, if any, on any given run.

Nope. Sorry.

"Yes, sorry for your delusion."

LOL


Yes, sorry for your delusion. Here's your csia's skier development
model, let's see how your instructor assessments measure up?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkJha4FrPP4

And literally the first turn you see is a skidded turn..

No wonder they put you at the bottom to teach the beginners; don't
look the sprays, look his "knee" movements, he was carving. And that
wasn't my question, I was asking how's your "instructor assessments"/
MA matches up to that described in the video clip. You cannot tell the
difference between beginners and experts.

Nope. Sorry.


Btw, do you know the difference between "instructor" and "coach"?

Do you?

Of course. How can you "coach"/be a good coach where you don't even
know what your coach function is?

I'm not a coach, so why does it matter? And moreover, how does it show
you know the difference between a coach and an instructor?



"CSIA doctrine isn't available on-line"? Really? How about a clip?
Given that you're computer and internet savvy but you cannot find
CSIA* online?! Not sure if you've already slipped into denial, ok, let
me give you a hand, you can start from here,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fbdq1wXLso
tell us what he is bragged about?

That someone put one video on Youtube doesn't mean it is made available
in general does it?

Nevertheless, he does demonstrate what you CSIA teaching/techniques
are.

No, actually. The video demonstrates only the CSIA's overall approach to
classifying students.


I can find the CSIA online. I"m a member of the CSIA. And I know what
they've got there.

The fact is there's no mentioned anywhere on the 'net or anywhere else
that you CSIA teaches parallel skiing by teaching sideslipping first.

But there is in the CSIA instruction handbook. I have one.


We are not talking about "drills" but "the way of teaching" here.

Drills are done because the are how you actualize a way of teaching.

Yup, that's what I call "partitioned teaching/learning," and we have
seen too many instructors know how to do the drills, but still cannot
ski eloquently.

LOL

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

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taichiskiing wrote:

On Nov 24, 1:11 pm, Evojeesus wrote:
On Nov 24, 5:45 pm, taichiskiing
wrote:

Well, we're living in a commercial world, and what wins the race sells
products, and who teaches the winning techniques get more
endorsements, so carving turn becomes the high-end teaching in skiing.

Well it's a difficult thing to do, some old-school skiers never seem
to pick it up, and same goes for the youngsters who mainly do tricks
in parks.

Not really, it's difficult to do the way they defined/described, and I
still don't like the swaying/swinging/jerking feeling that all carving
turn skiing generated. In line-skiing, all is required for carving is
moving the knees along the longitudinal direction of the skis so that
the CoG moves along the BoS and along the skis' path without deviating
from side to side, "tail follows tip," practical carving. And any
sideway movements of CoG cause skidding and slipping.

Without real understanding "the way of skiing," those gapper
instructors, and alike, can only elevate themselves by showing off
their half-baked "carving turn" knowledge, and "sideslipping" becomes
a dirty word and its techniques are tossed aside.

Yes but you though still an hour ago that a carving ski can only pure
carved turns of a single radius. This should show you that thinking in
isolation can be detrimental!

That's not what I thought but how those skis designed and
manufactured. My 1080 Foil has turn radius 16.6 meter, so it is
designated 166, and its actual length is 167cm. So it is self-conceit
proves to be more detrimental.

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. The 16.6 meter figure refers to the radius
of the physical shape of the side of the ski. The radius of turn that it
makes depends on how much it is edged, how much pressure is applied, how
firm the surface is...

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

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taichiskiing wrote:

On Nov 25, 7:40 am, pigo wrote:
On Nov 24, 9:15 am, taichiskiing
wrote:

Yes, if you pure-carve on an ideal slope, you would have gotten a
"single preset radius turn," and changing the turn-shapes is not
possible without "skidding" and "slipping." Since we don't have
"ideal" conditions, "pure-carving" is an illusion.

Hasn't someone here skied with itchy? How is it possible that he's
ever skied before and still writes something like this? In the other
replies you've all given valid examples of how you change turn shapes
but have left one major one, steering.

That's all.

"Steering" is the word for carving, but by steering alone does not
guarantee no skidding and no slipping. Pure-carving is an illusion. If
they/you want to talk about carving turn, they/you need to redefine
the term. And changing the turn-shapes to change the direction/line of
travel is more effective and efficient technique than carving.


IS

Steering is not the word for carving, sorry.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

"pigo" wrote in message
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On Nov 24, 9:15 am, taichiskiing
wrote:

Yes, if you pure-carve on an ideal slope, you would have gotten a
"single preset radius turn," and changing the turn-shapes is not
possible without "skidding" and "slipping." Since we don't have
"ideal" conditions, "pure-carving" is an illusion.

Hasn't someone here skied with itchy? How is it possible that he's
ever skied before and still writes something like this? In the other
replies you've all given valid examples of how you change turn shapes
but have left one major one, steering.

According to reports, in person he is intelligent, likable, and skis well.
He is just pulling everyones chain here, he isn't really as stupid as he
pretends to be. Its a game.

Norm wrote:

Hasn't someone here skied with itchy? How is it possible that he's
ever skied before and still writes something like this? In the other
replies you've all given valid examples of how you change turn shapes
but have left one major one, steering.

According to reports, in person he is intelligent, likable, and skis well.
He is just pulling everyones chain here, he isn't really as stupid as he
pretends to be. Its a game.


Yeah, he skis fine, at least in bottomless which is what we had at
Alpine when taichi and Vtskier visited last. No firm so no firmpack
carving, but taichi was light and expressive on powder. Uses wide boards
but even with that handicap he pretty well kept up in the deep stuff
with me on my totally obsolete Volkl P-30s (or maybe it was original
narrow Snow Rangers - I don't recall, but those are the possibilities.)

Only problem he had was lack of poles so even short uphill traverses
looking for the goods were not possible. I suggest he carry collapsible
poles in a backpack with probes and shovel and beacon when he next
visits, since we could have had some fine untracked traversing out to
the waterfall and the sisters if he had poles.

I think he's mostly having fun with you guys.

taichiskiing wrote:
On Nov 23, 11:31 am, Alan Baker wrote:
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There isn't a "single preset radius turn" that one can make while
carving. The radius depends a few different factors; among them: angle
of edge, pressure and consistency of the surface.

Yes, if you pure-carve on an ideal slope, you would have gotten a
"single preset radius turn," and changing the turn-shapes is not
possible without "skidding" and "slipping." Since we don't have
"ideal" conditions, "pure-carving" is an illusion.

Actually, if you change the amount the ski is
bent, you change the effective radius of the side-
cut and therefore the radius of the turn...
without skidding.

However the skier that can do this is a rare bird.



IS

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia

On Nov 25, 10:34*am, taichiskiing
wrote:
On Nov 25, 9:59 am, Dave Cartman wrote:

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*taichiskiing wrote:
Yup, that's what I call "partitioned teaching/learning," and we have
seen too many instructors know how to do the drills, but still cannot
ski eloquently.

This sentence is like one of those "how many things do you see wrong is
this picture" puzzles. *Ski "eloquently?"

Skiing is not a body language? The line you left behind, which
reflects your techniques and spirits, marks your signature.

"Calligraphy" is the word you want, Itchy. Everything you say would be
correct if you used the right term. Call it Ski-ligraphy.

On Nov 25, 11:30*am, Dave Cartman wrote:
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*taichiskiing wrote:
On Nov 25, 9:56*am, Dave Cartman wrote:
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*taichiskiing wrote:
On Nov 24, 2:55 pm, lal_truckee wrote:
taichiskiing wrote:

Yes, if you pure-carve on an ideal slope, you would have gotten a
"single preset radius turn," and changing the turn-shapes is not
possible without "skidding" and "slipping."

Error: Complete misunderstanding of the interaction of ski design,
edging, and weighting.

Blah, blah, blah...

That is one of the more ironic posts I've seen here in a while. *LAL is
rigorously on topic and always well informed.

Blah, blah, blah...

Okay, it's a little less ironic when you use it on me

Blah, blah, blah, gapper, blah blah, carved, blah line skiing.

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VtSkier wrote:

taichiskiing wrote:
On Nov 23, 11:31 am, Alan Baker wrote:
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There isn't a "single preset radius turn" that one can make while
carving. The radius depends a few different factors; among them: angle
of edge, pressure and consistency of the surface.

Yes, if you pure-carve on an ideal slope, you would have gotten a
"single preset radius turn," and changing the turn-shapes is not
possible without "skidding" and "slipping." Since we don't have
"ideal" conditions, "pure-carving" is an illusion.

Actually, if you change the amount the ski is
bent, you change the effective radius of the side-
cut and therefore the radius of the turn...
without skidding.

However the skier that can do this is a rare bird.

Lots of skiers can do this.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

Norm wrote:
"pigo" wrote in message
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On Nov 24, 9:15 am, taichiskiing
wrote:

Yes, if you pure-carve on an ideal slope, you would have gotten a
"single preset radius turn," and changing the turn-shapes is not
possible without "skidding" and "slipping." Since we don't have
"ideal" conditions, "pure-carving" is an illusion.

Hasn't someone here skied with itchy? How is it possible that he's
ever skied before and still writes something like this? In the other
replies you've all given valid examples of how you change turn shapes
but have left one major one, steering.

According to reports, in person he is intelligent, likable, and skis well.
He is just pulling everyones chain here, he isn't really as stupid as he
pretends to be. Its a game.


People respond to him and in his world every thing he says is gospel
every body else has a problem. Since the beginning he has changed
meaning of words and laws of physics why should he change

mental illness comes in all forms and degrees.

Last week was showing some of itchy famous claims to a client as a point
that your posting will follow you for a bit and even flakes can find a
audience on the net. We were also looking at a article in vintage
motorsports that featured his engineering and restoration shop for F1
cars and trying to find ways of attracting more clients. Cheese dip is a
good bench mark for what not to do to attract good clients.

On his skiing he failed to yield in slow zones and argued he was good
enough to ski fast in slow zones.


my logic argues he ain't worth much bandwidth or time....