Turning on flat skis?

On Nov 24, 4:18 am, Evojeesus wrote:
On Nov 18, 5:58 pm, taichiskiing
wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_4bbM1MUM8

I often do that on suitably flat traverses...I like pointing the skis
20-40 degrees away from the direction of travel so I think I'm
technically sideslipping...this is a great technique for traverses and
I wonder why so few people are doing it and whether anyone is teaching
the technique

Well, we're living in a commercial world, and what wins the race sells
products, and who teaches the winning techniques get more
endorsements, so carving turn becomes the high-end teaching in skiing.
Without real understanding "the way of skiing," those gapper
instructors, and alike, can only elevate themselves by showing off
their half-baked "carving turn" knowledge, and "sideslipping" becomes
a dirty word and its techniques are tossed aside.

Line-skiing uses sideslipping, among other techniques, to change turn-
shapes, which is more versatile and efficient turn than carving.
Sometime, I do wonder what the new techniques progress to—forward or
backward.


IS

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taichiskiing wrote:

I can read them fine.

Your eyes maybe read them fine, but it's your little brain can't
comprehend them.

I've also been a ski racer.

Yeah right, have you won any title, ever?

Ah, the razor sharp retorts of taichiskiing! You sir, are the Sir
Winston Churchill of RSA.

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I can read them fine.

Your eyes maybe read them fine, but it's your little brain can't
comprehend them.

I've also been a ski racer.

Yeah right, have you won any title, ever?

Ah, the razor sharp retorts of taichiskiing! You sir, are the Sir
Winston Churchill of RSA.

Because he's drunk today but tomorrow he might be sober?

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taichiskiing wrote:

On Nov 23, 11:31 am, Alan Baker wrote:
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taichiskiing wrote:
On Nov 18, 5:28 pm, downhill wrote:
where did you think he was going to go, he comes back about every 2
months with an other method to try to prove his point that still makes
no sense.
The use of rational thought and the ability to present a point using
standard english and proper rules of physics and mathematics that is
understood by anybody is not one of tie cheeses abilities.

I looked parts of this video and the only time his skis were flat was
when he transitioned from one turn to an other

"I¹m aware sideslipping (skidding) has become a dirty word,
but just try to ski without it. It is as practical as replacing the
steering wheel on your car with one single preset radius turn.

And this is where he (and by your use of it, you) are wrong.

There isn't a "single preset radius turn" that one can make while
carving. The radius depends a few different factors; among them: angle
of edge, pressure and consistency of the surface.

Yes, if you pure-carve on an ideal slope, you would have gotten a
"single preset radius turn," and changing the turn-shapes is not
possible without "skidding" and "slipping." Since we don't have
"ideal" conditions, "pure-carving" is an illusion.

No. The amount you edge the ski changes the radius. The amount of
pressure you apply to the ski changes the radius. The firmness of the
surface changes the radius.



Nevertheless, if you, my friendly hefty ski instructor, intend to link
carving turns to impress the girls on the sun deck, then make sure you
use recreational extra narrow waist skis, make sure you always stick
to precisely the same radius turn, make sure no tree nor big fat lady
stands in your tracks¹ rails, make sure you choose a shallow green
slope, freshly groomed, evenly flat, no moguls, then feel free to pick
up speed, lean close to the ground as you carve and, most importantly,
smile for the camera. She might be blonde, but you¹ve still got it
made. Showing off is the only practical use for full fledged carving:
a professional skill for the bunny slope. Take our show off instructor
to a regular World Cup slope, not even speaking of going through the
gates, and watch how much is left of his arrogant carving! Watch him
skiing in moguls, trees, deep snow! The craving to carve is a quirk.
What
started as an ideal ended up as a crippling isunderstanding, as we
have humiliated millions of ski students by foisting on them to either
carve or disgrace themselves skidding through their turns.

If you¹d rather ski for fun and glee, keep on freely skidding on
mostly flat boards, as you always have, and feel proud of your
efficiency and stylish poise.

Year 2009, in Chamonix, by a brisk fall dawn"--skipanda

And he -- like you -- is wrong.

Ok, guess a little knowledge would never learn, nevertheless, what's
he wrong about?

LOL

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
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taichiskiing wrote:

On Nov 23, 11:29 am, Alan Baker wrote:
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taichiskiing wrote:
On Nov 18, 4:04 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
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taichiskiing wrote:
My guess what he tries to say is that at the best you get 2% of pure
carving and 98% of skidding/sideslipping turn even in racing. He
doesn't seem to distinguish "skidding" and "slipping" neither, but he
does occasionally use "slipping edges" to make "slipping turns."

Your guess is (unsurprisingly) completely wrong.

No, based on our previous experience, it's not my guess is wrong but
your little knowledge is acting up, and that is not what unsurprised.

He's saying that there are times when in order to get around the gate,
you must abandon carving even though it means losing speed.

Cannot read the annotations, eh?

I can read them fine.

Your eyes maybe read them fine, but it's your little brain can't
comprehend them.

I've also been a ski racer.

Yeah right, have you won any title, ever?

What does that have to do with whether or not I've been coached in the
correct techniques to do it?


His "turning on flat skis" is another example of "line-skiing." He may
not come to admit, but he is a flatboarder/flatskier.

Nope. He's a good skier.

Yup, only good skiers do flatboarding/Flatskiing.

Nope. Sorry.

Yes, sorry for your delusion. Only real good skiers do line-skiing,
and line-skiing is flatboarding/Flatskiing based. As he said, carved
turns are only about 2%, if any, on any given run.

Nope. Sorry.


Methinks that he may have issues with 'modern' "teaching" as well as
he derides the pure carve and RRT turns, or he just reinvented the
classic--skidded-turns, more practical.

Modern teaching hasn't abandoned skidded turns.

Modern teaching may not have abandoned skidded turns,
but half-baked gapper instructors have.

Nope. Sorry.

Yes, sorry for your delusion. Here's your csia's skier development
model, let's see how your instructor assessments measure up?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkJha4FrPP4

And literally the first turn you see is a skidded turn..


Btw, do you know the difference between "instructor" and "coach"?

Do you?


He teaches the beginner parallel turn by teaching
her sideslipping first,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMgjb5z71pE
in Chinese (original),
or

http://www.youtube.com/user/SKIPANDA...W&hl=zh-TW#p/u

Which is precisely what modern teaching does.

Show me one doctrine/clip that you CSIA teaches parallel turns that
begins with sideslipping.

CSIA doctrine isn't available on-line, but I'm fully conversant with the
drills we use to teach parallel skiing. They include lots of pivoting
and skidded turns. In fact, skidded turns are *all* that gets taught at
first.

"CSIA doctrine isn't available on-line"? Really? How about a clip?
Given that you're computer and internet savvy but you cannot find
CSIA* online?! Not sure if you've already slipped into denial, ok, let
me give you a hand, you can start from here,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fbdq1wXLso
tell us what he is bragged about?

That someone put one video on Youtube doesn't mean it is made available
in general does it?

I can find the CSIA online. I"m a member of the CSIA. And I know what
they've got there.


We are not talking about "drills" but "the way of teaching" here.

Drills are done because the are how you actualize a way of teaching.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
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On Nov 24, 5:15*pm, taichiskiing
wrote:

Yes, if you pure-carve on an ideal slope, you would have gotten a
"single preset radius turn,"

No.

and changing the turn-shapes is not
possible without "skidding" and "slipping."

And no. Just bend the ski more and the radius will decrease - quite
elementary!

On Nov 24, 5:45*pm, taichiskiing
wrote:

Well, we're living in a commercial world, and what wins the race sells
products, and who teaches the winning techniques get more
endorsements, so carving turn becomes the high-end teaching in skiing.

Well it's a difficult thing to do, some old-school skiers never seem
to pick it up, and same goes for the youngsters who mainly do tricks
in parks.

Without real understanding "the way of skiing," those gapper
instructors, and alike, can only elevate themselves by showing off
their half-baked "carving turn" knowledge, and "sideslipping" becomes
a dirty word and its techniques are tossed aside.

Yes but you though still an hour ago that a carving ski can only pure
carved turns of a single radius. This should show you that thinking in
isolation can be detrimental!

taichiskiing wrote:

Yes, if you pure-carve on an ideal slope, you would have gotten a
"single preset radius turn," and changing the turn-shapes is not
possible without "skidding" and "slipping."

Error: Complete misunderstanding of the interaction of ski design,
edging, and weighting.

On Nov 24, 5:15*pm, taichiskiing
wrote:

Ok, guess a little knowledge would never learn, nevertheless, what's
he wrong about?

Right???

On Nov 24, 10:24 am, Alan Baker wrote:
In article ,
taichiskiing wrote:

Your eyes maybe read them fine, but it's your little brain can't
comprehend them.

I've also been a ski racer.

Yeah right, have you won any title, ever?

What does that have to do with whether or not I've been coached in the
correct techniques to do it?

You were bragging about that you were racer, and yet, what you have
not won any title proves that your racing techniques/knowledge has
already failed, what do you "have" to "coach in correct techniques"?

Yes, sorry for your delusion. Only real good skiers do line-skiing,
and line-skiing is flatboarding/Flatskiing based. As he said, carved
turns are only about 2%, if any, on any given run.

Nope. Sorry.

"Yes, sorry for your delusion."

Yes, sorry for your delusion. Here's your csia's skier development
model, let's see how your instructor assessments measure up?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkJha4FrPP4

And literally the first turn you see is a skidded turn..

No wonder they put you at the bottom to teach the beginners; don't
look the sprays, look his "knee" movements, he was carving. And that
wasn't my question, I was asking how's your "instructor assessments"/
MA matches up to that described in the video clip. You cannot tell the
difference between beginners and experts.

Btw, do you know the difference between "instructor" and "coach"?

Do you?

Of course. How can you "coach"/be a good coach where you don't even
know what your coach function is?

"CSIA doctrine isn't available on-line"? Really? How about a clip?
Given that you're computer and internet savvy but you cannot find
CSIA* online?! Not sure if you've already slipped into denial, ok, let
me give you a hand, you can start from here,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fbdq1wXLso
tell us what he is bragged about?

That someone put one video on Youtube doesn't mean it is made available
in general does it?

Nevertheless, he does demonstrate what you CSIA teaching/techniques
are.

I can find the CSIA online. I"m a member of the CSIA. And I know what
they've got there.

The fact is there's no mentioned anywhere on the 'net or anywhere else
that you CSIA teaches parallel skiing by teaching sideslipping first.

We are not talking about "drills" but "the way of teaching" here.

Drills are done because the are how you actualize a way of teaching.

Yup, that's what I call "partitioned teaching/learning," and we have
seen too many instructors know how to do the drills, but still cannot
ski eloquently.


IS

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia