Turning on flat skis?

On Nov 20, 8:34 am, lal_truckee wrote:
taichiskiing wrote:
On Nov 19, 1:09 pm, "Bob F" wrote:
taichiskiing wrote:
Actually, I'm going to sharpen my skis' edges and hot wax them right
now.
What for? From your claims, you never use them.

Well, sharp edges and hot wax may not improve your skiing techniques,
but sure make your skiing a lot easier with less effort.

Only if you use your edges, n'est pas?

Yup, nevertheless, most of times I use "slipping edges."


IS

Ps. I was right, Heavenly has postponed the opening day 'till tomorrow.

taichiskiing wrote:
On Nov 20, 8:34 am, lal_truckee wrote:
taichiskiing wrote:
On Nov 19, 1:09 pm, "Bob F" wrote:
taichiskiing wrote:
Actually, I'm going to sharpen my skis' edges and hot wax them right
now.
What for? From your claims, you never use them.
Well, sharp edges and hot wax may not improve your skiing techniques,
but sure make your skiing a lot easier with less effort.
Only if you use your edges, n'est pas?

Yup, nevertheless, most of times I use "slipping edges."

Hmmm. This seems like another term we can bat
around for a while. Seems to me like edges
are edges and don't slip, while ski bottoms
are ski bottoms and slip/slide/skid quite
nicely. Oh, and just so you won't split hairs,
yes ski bottoms do include the horizontal
part of the ski's edges.

(at least it's not slope in percent and flying
lawnmowers)



IS

Ps. I was right, Heavenly has postponed the opening day 'till tomorrow.

On Nov 20, 9:01 am, VtSkier wrote:
taichiskiing wrote:
On Nov 20, 8:34 am, lal_truckee wrote:
taichiskiing wrote:
On Nov 19, 1:09 pm, "Bob F" wrote:
taichiskiing wrote:
Actually, I'm going to sharpen my skis' edges and hot wax them right
now.
What for? From your claims, you never use them.
Well, sharp edges and hot wax may not improve your skiing techniques,
but sure make your skiing a lot easier with less effort.
Only if you use your edges, n'est pas?

Yup, nevertheless, most of times I use "slipping edges."

Hmmm. This seems like another term we can bat
around for a while. Seems to me like edges
are edges and don't slip, while ski bottoms
are ski bottoms and slip/slide/skid quite
nicely. Oh, and just so you won't split hairs,
yes ski bottoms do include the horizontal
part of the ski's edges.

No, edges are edges alright, but it is how you use them determines
their functions. When you press the edge (on where it contacts the
slope) into the hill, that's "carving edge"; when you move the edge
away from where it contacts the slope, the edge won't carve but slip
away, that's the "slipping edge."

(at least it's not slope in percent and flying
lawnmowers)

Yup, I thought we have better class than that.


IS

Ps. I was right, Heavenly has postponed the opening day 'till tomorrow.

lal_truckee wrote:
taichiskiing wrote:
On Nov 19, 1:09 pm, "Bob F" wrote:
taichiskiing wrote:
Actually, I'm going to sharpen my skis' edges and hot wax them right
now.
What for? From your claims, you never use them.

Well, sharp edges and hot wax may not improve your skiing techniques,
but sure make your skiing a lot easier with less effort.

Only if you use your edges, n'est pas?

Well, even if you don't use you edges the wax should help. The tune
will knock the rust off the bottom side of the edge, so again it'll help
with the flatboarding thing.

By analogy, it doesn't hurt to change the oil in your Chevy every
season, even if you just keep it propped up on blocks in the front yard
next to the old wringer washing machine.

//Walt

Walt wrote:

By analogy, it doesn't hurt to change the oil in your Chevy every
season,

Ha! Last summer I started to think about my plow truck doing all that
snow plowing around the driveway and environs, but never running up any
mileage, and decided to treat her to a change of oil and new filters.

She's a Chevy.

In article
,
taichiskiing wrote:

On Nov 18, 4:04 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
In article
,

taichiskiing wrote:
My guess what he tries to say is that at the best you get 2% of pure
carving and 98% of skidding/sideslipping turn even in racing. He
doesn't seem to distinguish "skidding" and "slipping" neither, but he
does occasionally use "slipping edges" to make "slipping turns."

Your guess is (unsurprisingly) completely wrong.

No, based on our previous experience, it's not my guess is wrong but
your little knowledge is acting up, and that is not what unsurprised.

He's saying that there are times when in order to get around the gate,
you must abandon carving even though it means losing speed.

Cannot read the annotations, eh?

I can read them fine.

I've also been a ski racer.


His "turning on flat skis" is another example of "line-skiing." He may
not come to admit, but he is a flatboarder/flatskier.

Nope. He's a good skier.

Yup, only good skiers do flatboarding/Flatskiing.

Nope. Sorry.


Methinks that he may have issues with 'modern' "teaching" as well as
he derides the pure carve and RRT turns, or he just reinvented the
classic--skidded-turns, more practical.

Modern teaching hasn't abandoned skidded turns.

Modern teaching may not have abandoned skidded turns, but half-baked
gapper instructors have.

Nope. Sorry.


He teaches the beginner parallel turn by teaching her sideslipping
first,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMgjb5z71pE
in Chinese (original),
or

http://www.youtube.com/user/SKIPANDA...W&hl=zh-TW#p/u

Which is precisely what modern teaching does.

Show me one doctrine/clip that you CSIA teaches parallel turns that
begins with sideslipping.

CSIA doctrine isn't available on-line, but I'm fully conversant with the
drills we use to teach parallel skiing. They include lots of pivoting
and skidded turns. In fact, skidded turns are *all* that gets taught at
first.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

In article
,
taichiskiing wrote:

On Nov 18, 5:28 pm, downhill wrote:
where did you think he was going to go, he comes back about every 2
months with an other method to try to prove his point that still makes
no sense.
The use of rational thought and the ability to present a point using
standard english and proper rules of physics and mathematics that is
understood by anybody is not one of tie cheeses abilities.

I looked parts of this video and the only time his skis were flat was
when he transitioned from one turn to an other

"I¹m aware sideslipping (skidding) has become a dirty word,
but just try to ski without it. It is as practical as replacing the
steering wheel on your car with one single preset radius turn.

And this is where he (and by your use of it, you) are wrong.

There isn't a "single preset radius turn" that one can make while
carving. The radius depends a few different factors; among them: angle
of edge, pressure and consistency of the surface.

Nevertheless, if you, my friendly hefty ski instructor, intend to link
carving turns to impress the girls on the sun deck, then make sure you
use recreational extra narrow waist skis, make sure you always stick
to precisely the same radius turn, make sure no tree nor big fat lady
stands in your tracks¹ rails, make sure you choose a shallow green
slope, freshly groomed, evenly flat, no moguls, then feel free to pick
up speed, lean close to the ground as you carve and, most importantly,
smile for the camera. She might be blonde, but you¹ve still got it
made. Showing off is the only practical use for full fledged carving:
a professional skill for the bunny slope. Take our show off instructor
to a regular World Cup slope, not even speaking of going through the
gates, and watch how much is left of his arrogant carving! Watch him
skiing in moguls, trees, deep snow! The craving to carve is a quirk.
What
started as an ideal ended up as a crippling isunderstanding, as we
have humiliated millions of ski students by foisting on them to either
carve or disgrace themselves skidding through their turns.

If you¹d rather ski for fun and glee, keep on freely skidding on
mostly flat boards, as you always have, and feel proud of your
efficiency and stylish poise.

Year 2009, in Chamonix, by a brisk fall dawn"--skipanda

And he -- like you -- is wrong.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

On Nov 18, 5:58*pm, taichiskiing
wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_4bbM1MUM8

I often do that on suitably flat traverses...I like pointing the skis
20-40 degrees away from the direction of travel so I think I'm
technically sideslipping...this is a great technique for traverses and
I wonder why so few people are doing it and whether anyone is teaching
the technique

On Nov 23, 11:31 am, Alan Baker wrote:
In article
,
taichiskiing wrote:
On Nov 18, 5:28 pm, downhill wrote:
where did you think he was going to go, he comes back about every 2
months with an other method to try to prove his point that still makes
no sense.
The use of rational thought and the ability to present a point using
standard english and proper rules of physics and mathematics that is
understood by anybody is not one of tie cheeses abilities.

I looked parts of this video and the only time his skis were flat was
when he transitioned from one turn to an other

"I¹m aware sideslipping (skidding) has become a dirty word,
but just try to ski without it. It is as practical as replacing the
steering wheel on your car with one single preset radius turn.

And this is where he (and by your use of it, you) are wrong.

There isn't a "single preset radius turn" that one can make while
carving. The radius depends a few different factors; among them: angle
of edge, pressure and consistency of the surface.

Yes, if you pure-carve on an ideal slope, you would have gotten a
"single preset radius turn," and changing the turn-shapes is not
possible without "skidding" and "slipping." Since we don't have
"ideal" conditions, "pure-carving" is an illusion.

Nevertheless, if you, my friendly hefty ski instructor, intend to link
carving turns to impress the girls on the sun deck, then make sure you
use recreational extra narrow waist skis, make sure you always stick
to precisely the same radius turn, make sure no tree nor big fat lady
stands in your tracks¹ rails, make sure you choose a shallow green
slope, freshly groomed, evenly flat, no moguls, then feel free to pick
up speed, lean close to the ground as you carve and, most importantly,
smile for the camera. She might be blonde, but you¹ve still got it
made. Showing off is the only practical use for full fledged carving:
a professional skill for the bunny slope. Take our show off instructor
to a regular World Cup slope, not even speaking of going through the
gates, and watch how much is left of his arrogant carving! Watch him
skiing in moguls, trees, deep snow! The craving to carve is a quirk.
What
started as an ideal ended up as a crippling isunderstanding, as we
have humiliated millions of ski students by foisting on them to either
carve or disgrace themselves skidding through their turns.

If you¹d rather ski for fun and glee, keep on freely skidding on
mostly flat boards, as you always have, and feel proud of your
efficiency and stylish poise.

Year 2009, in Chamonix, by a brisk fall dawn"--skipanda

And he -- like you -- is wrong.

Ok, guess a little knowledge would never learn, nevertheless, what's
he wrong about?


IS

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia

On Nov 23, 11:29 am, Alan Baker wrote:
In article
,
taichiskiing wrote:
On Nov 18, 4:04 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
In article
,

taichiskiing wrote:
My guess what he tries to say is that at the best you get 2% of pure
carving and 98% of skidding/sideslipping turn even in racing. He
doesn't seem to distinguish "skidding" and "slipping" neither, but he
does occasionally use "slipping edges" to make "slipping turns."

Your guess is (unsurprisingly) completely wrong.

No, based on our previous experience, it's not my guess is wrong but
your little knowledge is acting up, and that is not what unsurprised.

He's saying that there are times when in order to get around the gate,
you must abandon carving even though it means losing speed.

Cannot read the annotations, eh?

I can read them fine.

Your eyes maybe read them fine, but it's your little brain can't
comprehend them.

I've also been a ski racer.

Yeah right, have you won any title, ever?

His "turning on flat skis" is another example of "line-skiing." He may
not come to admit, but he is a flatboarder/flatskier.

Nope. He's a good skier.

Yup, only good skiers do flatboarding/Flatskiing.

Nope. Sorry.

Yes, sorry for your delusion. Only real good skiers do line-skiing,
and line-skiing is flatboarding/Flatskiing based. As he said, carved
turns are only about 2%, if any, on any given run.

Methinks that he may have issues with 'modern' "teaching" as well as
he derides the pure carve and RRT turns, or he just reinvented the
classic--skidded-turns, more practical.

Modern teaching hasn't abandoned skidded turns.

Modern teaching may not have abandoned skidded turns,
but half-baked gapper instructors have.

Nope. Sorry.

Yes, sorry for your delusion. Here's your csia's skier development
model, let's see how your instructor assessments measure up?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkJha4FrPP4

Btw, do you know the difference between "instructor" and "coach"?

He teaches the beginner parallel turn by teaching
her sideslipping first,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMgjb5z71pE
in Chinese (original),
or

http://www.youtube.com/user/SKIPANDA...W&hl=zh-TW#p/u

Which is precisely what modern teaching does.

Show me one doctrine/clip that you CSIA teaches parallel turns that
begins with sideslipping.

CSIA doctrine isn't available on-line, but I'm fully conversant with the
drills we use to teach parallel skiing. They include lots of pivoting
and skidded turns. In fact, skidded turns are *all* that gets taught at
first.

"CSIA doctrine isn't available on-line"? Really? How about a clip?
Given that you're computer and internet savvy but you cannot find
CSIA* online?! Not sure if you've already slipped into denial, ok, let
me give you a hand, you can start from here,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fbdq1wXLso
tell us what he is bragged about?

We are not talking about "drills" but "the way of teaching" here.


IS

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia