Turning on flat skis?

In article
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twobuddha wrote:

"When get embarrassed, woman cries, and man LOL," human psychology
101.

Thank you, but we already have a self proclaimed "expert" on psychology
here.

Must not be talking about me, since I have credentials and
experience. No problem diagnosing you as a psychopath. You see, I've
had classes and continuing education and real world experience with
freaks like you, freak.

Quite convincing these credentials you have. The ones where you have to
pay a nominal sum and admit you're needed counseling before....

You do realize that in rebuttal to me referring to you as a self
proclaimed "expert" on psychology, you are PROCLAIMING YOURSELF to be an
EXPERT in PSYCHOLOGY. The word I'm thinking of rhymes with "iconic."

On Nov 28, 10:14 am, Evojeesus wrote:
On Nov 28, 4:41 pm, taichiskiing
wrote:

If you have to skid a turn, you are not going as fast as you can.

If one is carrying so much speed that it's impossible for a human to
take the fastest (carving) line, it will be necessary to brake or
skid.

Yes, and no, you guys were talking about how to vary the "bent" of
skis to make pure carving, and I was following that trend of thought.
Given the course with particular gates set up, there is a fastest
carving line around the gates, which will no doubt take longer
distance to complete the course. To stay on that line a racer must
"pure-carve"; for pure-carving one must wait for the skis to turn/
carve; that's to say, one must slow down its movements to stay with
the carving skis, so there will be no skidding. The question now is
this carving line the fastest line on the course, or a more straight
skidding turn line is faster? And my contention is that the fastest
carving line is not the fastest line on the course.

Successful racers learn how to ride the fastest line without braking,

It's possible to gather so much speed that it's impossible to take the
carving line around the bend. The strength of the muscles is a
limiting factor - skis must cause some limitations too.

Nevertheless, though the skidding turn makes a straighter line, but
skidding turn does not just breaks the speed of the skis, which kills
the skiing momentum, but also distorts the rhythm of skiing, which
consequently makes a smooth skiing difficult, so a smooth carver who
is able to slow down to stay with speed of the carving line again
gaining a upper hand.

so they learn how to carve to stay on the line, not the "go as fast as
you can..." Guess that's why you could not make it in racing.

Actually the one who completes the course in the shortest amount of
time (i.e. is the fastest) wins. Nothing else matters.

Yup, a carver may have the advantage on a race course on a groomed
trail, but flatboarding has advantage on a broader terrain Chinese
Downhill.


IS

On Nov 28, 7:20 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
In article
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taichiskiing wrote:

Nope. It proves you were wrong that 'No ski school in north America uses
the title "ski instructor" anymore'. That's all.

No, a special case of deviation does not invalidate a sound general
statement/principle, your school is substandard, and may not appear on
the criterion scope. Btw, what kind of CSIA certificate you said you
have?

The rest of little knowledge's boring whining snipped, to save some
sanity for the group.


IS

In article
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taichiskiing wrote:

On Nov 28, 7:20 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
In article
,
taichiskiing wrote:

Nope. It proves you were wrong that 'No ski school in north America uses
the title "ski instructor" anymore'. That's all.

No, a special case of deviation does not invalidate a sound general
statement/principle, your school is substandard, and may not appear on
the criterion scope. Btw, what kind of CSIA certificate you said you
have?

The rest of little knowledge's boring whining snipped, to save some
sanity for the group.


IS

http://www.grousemountain.com/Winter/skiing-riding/snow-school/

"Grouse Mountain's highly skilled instructors"

http://www.mountseymour.com/lessons

"Learn to ski and snowboard in Vancouver at Mt Seymour's Ski and
Snowboard School with our professional instructors."

Now let's see you produce a single reference that calls them something
*other* than instructors...

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

In article
,
taichiskiing wrote:

On Nov 28, 10:14 am, Evojeesus wrote:
On Nov 28, 4:41 pm, taichiskiing
wrote:

If you have to skid a turn, you are not going as fast as you can.

If one is carrying so much speed that it's impossible for a human to
take the fastest (carving) line, it will be necessary to brake or
skid.

Yes, and no, you guys were talking about how to vary the "bent" of
skis to make pure carving, and I was following that trend of thought.
Given the course with particular gates set up, there is a fastest
carving line around the gates, which will no doubt take longer
distance to complete the course. To stay on that line a racer must
"pure-carve"; for pure-carving one must wait for the skis to turn/
carve; that's to say, one must slow down its movements to stay with
the carving skis, so there will be no skidding. The question now is
this carving line the fastest line on the course, or a more straight
skidding turn line is faster? And my contention is that the fastest
carving line is not the fastest line on the course.

Which is why you see racers carving whenever they can and US Ski Team
members using training devices to let them know whenever they're losing
speed by skidding...


Successful racers learn how to ride the fastest line without braking,

It's possible to gather so much speed that it's impossible to take the
carving line around the bend. The strength of the muscles is a
limiting factor - skis must cause some limitations too.

Nevertheless, though the skidding turn makes a straighter line, but
skidding turn does not just breaks the speed of the skis, which kills
the skiing momentum, but also distorts the rhythm of skiing, which
consequently makes a smooth skiing difficult, so a smooth carver who
is able to slow down to stay with speed of the carving line again
gaining a upper hand.

so they learn how to carve to stay on the line, not the "go as fast as
you can..." Guess that's why you could not make it in racing.

Actually the one who completes the course in the shortest amount of
time (i.e. is the fastest) wins. Nothing else matters.

Yup, a carver may have the advantage on a race course on a groomed
trail, but flatboarding has advantage on a broader terrain Chinese
Downhill.

LOL

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

Alan Baker wrote:

so they learn how to carve to stay on the line, not the "go as fast as
you can..." Guess that's why you could not make it in racing.
Actually the one who completes the course in the shortest amount of
time (i.e. is the fastest) wins. Nothing else matters.
Yup, a carver may have the advantage on a race course on a groomed
trail, but flatboarding has advantage on a broader terrain Chinese
Downhill.

LOL


I would like to see him ski a course prepare for racing. In his mind
groomed for the general skiing and groomed for a race course are the
same thing. It is beyond belief that he could be so wrong all the time.

Have you seen those devices to measure slip? Been talking to a Data
acquisitions company about a device for skiing but we can not get the
price down yet to make even a demo worth while, I have a helmet camera
that will overlay speed via gps &G force from accelerometers on the
video and plan on testing it this winter. But next week heading to
Performance Racing Industry show in Orlando Fl to get ready for next
years race season and see all the new toys.

In article ,
downhill wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:

so they learn how to carve to stay on the line, not the "go as fast as
you can..." Guess that's why you could not make it in racing.
Actually the one who completes the course in the shortest amount of
time (i.e. is the fastest) wins. Nothing else matters.
Yup, a carver may have the advantage on a race course on a groomed
trail, but flatboarding has advantage on a broader terrain Chinese
Downhill.

LOL


I would like to see him ski a course prepare for racing. In his mind
groomed for the general skiing and groomed for a race course are the
same thing. It is beyond belief that he could be so wrong all the time.

Have you seen those devices to measure slip? Been talking to a Data
acquisitions company about a device for skiing but we can not get the
price down yet to make even a demo worth while, I have a helmet camera
that will overlay speed via gps &G force from accelerometers on the
video and plan on testing it this winter. But next week heading to
Performance Racing Industry show in Orlando Fl to get ready for next
years race season and see all the new toys.

I saw it reported (IIRC) on a show called "Daily Planet" on the
Discovery Channel (discoverychannel.ca). It uses essentially the same
technology as the optical mouse.

http://www.advancedracingcomputers.com/vlink.html

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

Alan Baker wrote:


I saw it reported (IIRC) on a show called "Daily Planet" on the
Discovery Channel (discoverychannel.ca). It uses essentially the same
technology as the optical mouse.

http://www.advancedracingcomputers.com/vlink.html

I had looked at the literature last year or when they came out, but not
talked to anyone that had used one.

In article ,
downhill wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:


I saw it reported (IIRC) on a show called "Daily Planet" on the
Discovery Channel (discoverychannel.ca). It uses essentially the same
technology as the optical mouse.

http://www.advancedracingcomputers.com/vlink.html

I had looked at the literature last year or when they came out, but not
talked to anyone that had used one.

Apparently the US Ski Team is now among their customers.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg

On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:22:48 -0500, downhill
wrote this crap:


Have you seen those devices to measure slip? Been talking to a Data
acquisitions company about a device for skiing but we can not get the
price down yet to make even a demo worth while, I have a helmet camera
that will overlay speed via gps &G force from accelerometers on the
video and plan on testing it this winter.

Can't you use a GPS to calculate slippage? On my yacht the autopilot
automatically calculates slippage with the GPS and compensates for it.


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