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Old March 13th 05, 11:40 PM
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VtSkier wrote:
Bob Lee wrote:
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"Slush powders"? Pray tell, what is that?
Bob

In Vermont, if you can move it it's powder, if you
can't it's packed powder.

BTW it's WINTER here in Vermont. Skied the last two
days in heavy snow conditions. Freshies on every
run, total of probably 18" in last 48 hours. Sunny
bright, under 30 degrees here today.


Good for you. You must be having a fine last few weeks - the newspeople
are all agog at the idea of snow; whole cities are apparently shutting
down due to a foot or so. But for a skier it must be heaven.

Here is not heaven. But it ain't hell either. More elsewhere.

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Old March 14th 05, 03:21 AM
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lal_truckee wrote:
VtSkier wrote:

Bob Lee wrote:
CLIP

"Slush powders"? Pray tell, what is that? Bob

In Vermont, if you can move it it's powder, if you
can't it's packed powder.

BTW it's WINTER here in Vermont. Skied the last two
days in heavy snow conditions. Freshies on every
run, total of probably 18" in last 48 hours. Sunny
bright, under 30 degrees here today.



Good for you. You must be having a fine last few weeks - the newspeople
are all agog at the idea of snow; whole cities are apparently shutting
down due to a foot or so. But for a skier it must be heaven.

Here is not heaven. But it ain't hell either. More elsewhere.


Hotel California?

A foot? If New Jack City gets 2 inches everything
comes to a screeching halt, except the skiers in
SUV's driving north, knowing full well that we can
take care of a little snow in Vermont and have fun
with it as well.

You should see what an inch of snow does to Atlanta
or Roanoke.

Had 2 feet of snow in Boston a few years ago and
a couple of friends of mine went out with skis and
a video cam and made a documentary of extreme
skiing off Bunker Hill (Chelsea). Great shots of
hucks off cars, Powder 8's down the middle of a
street lined with cars and buildings. Use of cars
stranded and abandoned in the middle of the street
for a bump run. Hilarious.

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Old March 14th 05, 04:37 PM
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Bob Lee wrote:
yunlong wrote:

Bob Lee wrote:
yunlong wrote:

Though daytime temperature reaches 70+, the snow remains
cool, and the moguls and slush powders are very
skiable/turnable after the snow is softened around midday.

"Slush powders"? Pray tell, what is that?


The spring powder/snow before it turns into the corn snow?


I see we're a loose constructionist with the concept of "powder."


Yup, that's how Kirkwood locals call it, because it is left-over
"powder," and it is skied just like "wet powder"/"sierra cements."

What do you mean by "powder" again?


IS


Bob


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Old March 14th 05, 11:41 PM
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Bob Lee wrote:
yunlong wrote:

Bob Lee wrote:
yunlong wrote:

Though daytime temperature reaches 70+, the snow remains
cool, and the moguls and slush powders are very
skiable/turnable after the snow is softened around midday.

"Slush powders"? Pray tell, what is that?


The spring powder/snow before it turns into the corn snow?


I see we're a loose constructionist with the concept of "powder."

Bob


It's all just semantics, Bob. You're really limiting your enjoyment of
"powder" skiing by trapping your mind in such narrow constructs.

For example, the "narrowly constructed powder" was fairly... umm...
scarce this past weekend. So, after a day of skiing I headed down to
the pool for some powder. Sure, it was some of the "powder/snow" BEFORE
it had evaporated, frozen and fallen back to earth... but that's just a
minor detail. Once I was able to free my mind from these narrow
constructs I had a truly great run.

Next week I'm going to try flatboarding... but only in the deep end.
;-)

Armin

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Old March 15th 05, 02:38 AM
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lal_truckee writes:
Chunky when frozen (or slick on the groomed when frozen) but softens up
real nice when the snow warms up.


Meanwhile, here in Winter Park, it is dumping (and cold) One foot of new
on Sunday. And it was dumping still when I left on Monday (I felt too
sick to go to work...)

Me doing my best impersonation of a Drunken Frenchman (on the run with the
same name...)

http://www.digis.net/~mellib/wp/dscn1192.mov

Me in a double secret location that I reveal. (Well, ok, maybe for the
right price :-)

http://www.digis.net/~mellib/wp/dscn1210.mov

Hope your weekend was deep too.

bruno.

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Old March 15th 05, 06:30 PM
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Bob Lee wrote:
yunlong wrote:
Bob Lee wrote:
yunlong wrote:
Bob Lee wrote:
yunlong wrote:

Though daytime temperature reaches 70+, the snow
remains cool, and the moguls and slush powders are
very skiable/turnable after the snow is softened
around midday.

"Slush powders"? Pray tell, what is that?

The spring powder/snow before it turns into the corn snow?

I see we're a loose constructionist with the concept of "powder."


Yup, that's how Kirkwood locals call it, because it is left-
over "powder," and it is skied just like "wet
powder"/"sierra cements."

What do you mean by "powder" again?


By "powder" I mean light, dry, fluffy snow, hopefully with a
water content of not much more than 10%.


You go by the numbers,

We can argue about
what the upper level of snow water content qualifies as
powder, but let's first agree that all fresh snow is not
powder. Powder snow is dry, there is no "wet powder," and
"sierra cement" is NOT powder.


and I go by perception; when it looks like powder, feels like powder
(by the feet), and is skied like powder, yup, I'll call it powder too,
slush or not.


And FWIW, the Kirkwood locals I know don't use the word
"powder" to describe wet snow or "sierra cement"...ever, no
matter how fresh it is. "Slush powder" is a total oxymoron.


Oxymoron or not, the guy plunged down Cornice cheered and shout "yahoo!
The slush powder really turnable" didn't care a bit, he have enjoyed
the run.


How long have you been skiing in the US anyway? I'd expect
you to have a better grip on the nomenclature by now.


So you think that your narrowly fine tuned linguistics makes you a
better skier?


IS


Bob


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Old March 15th 05, 06:35 PM
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Sven Golly wrote:

Sierra cement. Sierra concrete. Mashed potatoes. Slush. Corn.

Grappel.
Ice pellets. Slurpies. Creamed corn. Snow cones. Glop. Ball bearings.


Breakable crust. Windpack. Hoar frost. Frozen buttermilk. Ground

sausage.

Those are terms we use in the Sierras.


I've always found the term "Elephant Snot" to be quite descriptive.

Armin

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Old March 15th 05, 07:04 PM
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yunlong wrote:
Bob Lee wrote:

yunlong wrote:

Bob Lee wrote:

yunlong wrote:

Bob Lee wrote:

yunlong wrote:


Though daytime temperature reaches 70+, the snow
remains cool, and the moguls and slush powders are
very skiable/turnable after the snow is softened
around midday.

"Slush powders"? Pray tell, what is that?

The spring powder/snow before it turns into the corn snow?

I see we're a loose constructionist with the concept of "powder."

Yup, that's how Kirkwood locals call it, because it is left-
over "powder," and it is skied just like "wet
powder"/"sierra cements."

What do you mean by "powder" again?


By "powder" I mean light, dry, fluffy snow, hopefully with a
water content of not much more than 10%.



You go by the numbers,


We can argue about
what the upper level of snow water content qualifies as
powder, but let's first agree that all fresh snow is not
powder. Powder snow is dry, there is no "wet powder," and
"sierra cement" is NOT powder.



and I go by perception; when it looks like powder, feels like powder
(by the feet), and is skied like powder, yup, I'll call it powder too,
slush or not.


And FWIW, the Kirkwood locals I know don't use the word
"powder" to describe wet snow or "sierra cement"...ever, no
matter how fresh it is. "Slush powder" is a total oxymoron.



Oxymoron or not, the guy plunged down Cornice cheered and shout "yahoo!
The slush powder really turnable" didn't care a bit, he have enjoyed
the run.


How long have you been skiing in the US anyway? I'd expect
you to have a better grip on the nomenclature by now.



So you think that your narrowly fine tuned linguistics makes you a
better skier?


IS


Bob



JHC Yunlong,
Haven't you learned a ___ thing?

Making up stuff here just doesn't cut it, and ragging on
someone because of your inability to make him understand
because of your use of words doesn't cut it either.

In a great and lengthy thread, I finally figured out what
you were trying to say with what you were calling a
particular type of "turn". I conceded that what you
were describing was a good and valuable addition to
a skier's "quiver" of turns available, and in fact that
it was a move I use fairly frequently myself, even though
I do it slightly differently from the way you described it.

I talking about what you call a slip or slipped turn in
which you are increasing the radius of a turn by allowing
the tips of the skis to slip away from the direction of
the turn.

Now here you've gone and written something in such a way
that people may not understand because it's not common
usage and then tried to back it up with the fiction that
it IS common usage at Kirkwood.

On top of that, you have ragged on Bob for failing to
see your meaning when it's your use of words that is
keeping him from seeing your meaning.

It's simple really, you have invented an oxymoron by
virtue of the fact that most English speaker's sense of
powder is "fluffy" and slush is about as far from
fluffy as it's possible to get.

I skied with LAL back at the end of February. On Monday
we had a foot of fresh snow. We called it powder and
LAL later confirmed that the water content was about
8% which is within Bob's definition of "powder" being
between 2% and 10% water.

On the previous Saturday, LAL took me over onto the
sunny "backside" of the area. We found fairly new loose
snow, somewhat cut up, but not bad. With the sun hitting
it I would have guessed a water content of around 25%.
It was very hard for me to turn in because it was sticky.

Truly wet snow, or slush which is really mostly water
(I'd say upwards of 75%) is actually easier for me to
ski on than that sticky stuff. I actually like skiing
what we here in the east call "slush bumps".

VtSkier

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Old March 15th 05, 07:38 PM
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:35:23 -0600, "Armin" wrote:

Sven Golly wrote:

Sierra cement. Sierra concrete. Mashed potatoes. Slush. Corn.

Grappel.
Ice pellets. Slurpies. Creamed corn. Snow cones. Glop. Ball bearings.


Breakable crust. Windpack. Hoar frost. Frozen buttermilk. Ground

sausage.

Those are terms we use in the Sierras.


I've always found the term "Elephant Snot" to be quite descriptive.

I prefer the term "mashed potatoes", because when brown dirt gets
mixed in, I can call it "mashed potatoes with gravy".

That is distinct from another spring snow condition, the corn snow,
which is more like pellets of ice with water, more like a snow cone or
Slurpee.

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
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Old March 15th 05, 11:52 PM
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yunlong wrote:
the guy plunged down Cornice cheered and shout "yahoo!
The slush powder really turnable"


I don't believe it. Someone might yell "Yahoo! the slush is fun!" but
never "yahoo! The slush powder really turnable"

You made that up; and got it wrong anyway.

 




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