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Keski 25k Classic. View from the back.
Ken Roberts wrote:
Parham wrote For me, the overall experience and the terrain choose the skiing technique rather than the other way round... For a 15 km tour, I can agree. But when it's 120-140 km of skiing, then the choice of technique matters a lot to me. Because skating is just more fun, and I enjoy skating all year long. I will easily do more km (and days?) in road skate tours than snow skating this year. For ski tour with more than 100 km of classic striding, I'd have to have a separate training program just to get ready for it. So before I do that, I need to ask what are the special benefits of CSM. Also I have to justify 8 hours of driving time and wear-and-tear on my car -- twice. For that amount of transportation, I have some alternatives -- since Sharon and I live only 15 minutes from a major international airport: (A) fly non-stop to Geneva, arrive 9am on Saturday morning, hire a car, drive an hour into the Jura mountains, and skate 30 km that afternoon. Next day the entire Transjurasienne course, like 70 km of _skating_. Next day drive south to the Alps (B) fly to Reno and ski some of the big tours in the Lake Tahoe area, including the Royal Gorge perimeter tour that Mark just told us about. Time my trip to hit one of the special events (Kirkwood - Echo Summit?). Then the great Sierra backcountry tours (C) fly to Oslo. True, that's more than 8 hours transportation time. But it's Norway -- maybe there's _some_ skating? The 50 K loop (3 x 16.7) is always in perfect conditions for skating, except that on alterante years they'll set classic tracks a few days before the actual race. _Many_ other trails (including most lighted trails) are wide enough that you'll have a classic track on each side, plus room enough for skating in the middle. Terje -- - "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching" |
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Waxing for Ski-O (Was: Keski 25k Classic. View from the back.)
Mitch Collinsworth wrote:
On Wed, 18 Feb 2004, Pete Hickey wrote: The insanity of getting up to get on a bus at something like 4:30 AM. Getting up? That's barely enough time to finish waxing! :-) Re waxing: I did my first Ski-O race in many years on tuesday, in the form of a Night-Ski-O near Sognsvann. I had some silver universal klister on, but the icy/glazed tracks very quickly reduced that to a slightly draggy double-pole/skate evening instead. For the next two events I'll probably try to skip the grip wax. However, it was surprisingly fun to ski around with a chest map holder again. :-) terje -- - "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching" |
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Keski 25k Classic. View from the back.
Eddy Rapid wrote:
... lots of seriously competitive skiers supposedly do both techniques for training, even if they specialize in one for racing. I do most of my off-snow training, skate skiing on roller skis (and bike commuting to work, with some paddling thrown in.) This year I trained about 520 kms on snow before the CSM. Out of that about 250 kms was skate skiing, because the conditions in Ottawa before the New Year were rather poor for classic, and I enjoy doing both anyway. I would recommend doing the last 200 kms or so classic, but that'll just keep you multi-talented :-) There was a study posted some years ago, I think through Ralph Thornton (then of WI). It recounts how the Soviet team had a debate about the best way to train and to resolve it decided to divide the group, so that half trained 2/3 skate while the other half trained 2/3 classic. The classic half, including Smirnov, won the medals. Just thinking about the pacing, the ebbs and flows of classic intensity tend to be more linear aerobically while skating is more highs and lows. The former gives more endurance and sustained medium to high intensity practice, while the latter trains more quick power but is also more draining overall. Gene |
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Keski 25k Classic. View from the back.
Gene Goldenfeld wrote: Just thinking about the pacing, the ebbs and flows of classic intensity tend to be more linear aerobically while skating is more highs and lows. The former gives more endurance and sustained medium to high intensity practice, while the latter trains more quick power but is also more draining overall. Your thinking seems about right to me. I'll try to check this out with my HR monitor by covering the same kind of loop alternating techniques, going as hard as I can. I wonder, then, whether there's an optimal classic-skate training sequence as in early season training doing classic, in terms of core strength, and later, sprint and interval, training doing skating. Parham. |
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Keski 25k Classic. View from the back.
I haven't figured out optimal sequences, but would assume that lower key
volume is more easily obtained with classical. For most of us, conditions help determine this, since early snows tend to support striding, even if it's only trudging around. Gene Eddy Rapid wrote: Gene Goldenfeld wrote: Just thinking about the pacing, the ebbs and flows of classic intensity tend to be more linear aerobically while skating is more highs and lows. The former gives more endurance and sustained medium to high intensity practice, while the latter trains more quick power but is also more draining overall. Your thinking seems about right to me. I'll try to check this out with my HR monitor by covering the same kind of loop alternating techniques, going as hard as I can. I wonder, then, whether there's an optimal classic-skate training sequence as in early season training doing classic, in terms of core strength, and later, sprint and interval, training doing skating. Parham. |
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