New Keski route?

I've just checked the maps on the Keski website, and they show a somewhat
different route from the previous few times I've skied it. Back in the race
is trail #3 (which used to be called Burma, I think), except that we ski it
the other way around from when I last skied this trail in the race in the
mid 90s, going down Fortune Parkway to the bottom of 3, and climbing up to
Huron. This is for both the Classic and the FS. This is effectively a few
kilometer lengthening of the race, isn't it, since you have the extra
distance of the going down the parkway, and then the more circuitous route
back to Huron on 3. Or am I missing something? It looks as though the
Classic race must again be a few kilometers longer this year, since the
course is identical except for the addition of 5 and 15.

Onno Oerlemans (wondering if he shouldn't have signed up for the Classic
race this time) (and if the chairlift at Penguin is working yet).

I think you are correct...

"Onno Oerlemans" wrote in message
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I've just checked the maps on the Keski website, and they show a somewhat
different route from the previous few times I've skied it. Back in the
race
is trail #3 (which used to be called Burma, I think), except that we ski
it
the other way around from when I last skied this trail in the race in the
mid 90s, going down Fortune Parkway to the bottom of 3, and climbing up to
Huron. This is for both the Classic and the FS. This is effectively a few
kilometer lengthening of the race, isn't it, since you have the extra
distance of the going down the parkway, and then the more circuitous route
back to Huron on 3. Or am I missing something? It looks as though the
Classic race must again be a few kilometers longer this year, since the
course is identical except for the addition of 5 and 15.

Onno Oerlemans (wondering if he shouldn't have signed up for the Classic
race this time) (and if the chairlift at Penguin is working yet).

This modification will make the routes measure about 50k instead of
previous years value of around 47. But it will be a tough 3k!
Starting up 3 is a deceptive 200ft hill and if the ditch to the left
hasn't been filled in there will no passing unless you put your
competitor there.

Also for the 25Free, the Gamelin loop and grunt hill is to be removed
to shorten it from the previous years 28k.

For the few likely to be interested, I used my Timex GPS device during
the classic 50, as well as checking out the changes. I believe the new
"50K" course for classic, and the same for skate except they didn't
use it all on Sunday, is about 1.5 km longer than the older one.
The new turnaround at the bottom subtracts 750 meters each way, to
remove 1.5km. The use of #3trail (Burma) up at the top adds about 2.1km.
as compared to going straight through on #1. But I forgot to check
out the little funny loop they added after Burma, where you turn left
and go back down a few hundred meters, then right over to the parkway
a bit, then back in to continue up #1 where you'd originally come out
from Burma. Assuming that's a bit under one km. gives the 1.5km guess
above.

So the old nominal figures of 48K skate and 50K classic would perhaps
become 50K skate and 52K classic. That agrees with the signs for how
far left to go which they used on Saturday. They seemed pretty
accurate this year according to my GPS, whereas often in previous
years they overestimated the distance remaining.

I actually got 50.75 total for the classic race, so it's somewhat
more than that, because of the errors caused by twisty routes. My
judgement is that 52 is the nearest integer to the actual distance now.
I suspect they wanted to make the skate race as close to 50 as possible.
In my opinion, the new slightly different route is a real improvement.
Perhaps in the skate race, Burma could cause passing problems, but it's
such a beautiful little trail! And that dreary stuff at the bottom
end of the parkway is well rid of. Probably we can add about 100ft
or 30meters to the total climb. I know that climb beginning Burma is
major, but there was a fairly substantial one on the old section of
#1 now eliminated.

Best, Peter

I also used a Timex GPS but for the skate race on sunday. I got 42.05k for
the 42k course. The signs on the course were not exactly at the good place
for the first half of the race but at the end, they were matching exactly my
GPS readings.

SebB

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For the few likely to be interested, I used my Timex GPS device during
the classic 50, as well as checking out the changes. I believe the new
"50K" course for classic, and the same for skate except they didn't
use it all on Sunday, is about 1.5 km longer than the older one.
The new turnaround at the bottom subtracts 750 meters each way, to
remove 1.5km. The use of #3trail (Burma) up at the top adds about 2.1km.
as compared to going straight through on #1. But I forgot to check
out the little funny loop they added after Burma, where you turn left
and go back down a few hundred meters, then right over to the parkway
a bit, then back in to continue up #1 where you'd originally come out
from Burma. Assuming that's a bit under one km. gives the 1.5km guess
above.

So the old nominal figures of 48K skate and 50K classic would perhaps
become 50K skate and 52K classic. That agrees with the signs for how
far left to go which they used on Saturday. They seemed pretty
accurate this year according to my GPS, whereas often in previous
years they overestimated the distance remaining.

I actually got 50.75 total for the classic race, so it's somewhat
more than that, because of the errors caused by twisty routes. My
judgement is that 52 is the nearest integer to the actual distance now.
I suspect they wanted to make the skate race as close to 50 as possible.
In my opinion, the new slightly different route is a real improvement.
Perhaps in the skate race, Burma could cause passing problems, but it's
such a beautiful little trail! And that dreary stuff at the bottom
end of the parkway is well rid of. Probably we can add about 100ft
or 30meters to the total climb. I know that climb beginning Burma is
major, but there was a fairly substantial one on the old section of
#1 now eliminated.

Best, Peter

I think the GPS information is interesting. I beleive your distance for the
classic route as it supports my best guess using maps.

I was wondering, can you adjust the sampling frequency of the GPS so that it
takes more readings thus making it more accurate, is it programmable?

Vic


"SebB" wrote in message
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I also used a Timex GPS but for the skate race on sunday. I got 42.05k for
the 42k course. The signs on the course were not exactly at the good place
for the first half of the race but at the end, they were matching exactly
my
GPS readings.

SebB

a écrit dans le message de
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For the few likely to be interested, I used my Timex GPS device during
the classic 50, as well as checking out the changes. I believe the new
"50K" course for classic, and the same for skate except they didn't
use it all on Sunday, is about 1.5 km longer than the older one.
The new turnaround at the bottom subtracts 750 meters each way, to
remove 1.5km. The use of #3trail (Burma) up at the top adds about 2.1km.
as compared to going straight through on #1. But I forgot to check
out the little funny loop they added after Burma, where you turn left
and go back down a few hundred meters, then right over to the parkway
a bit, then back in to continue up #1 where you'd originally come out
from Burma. Assuming that's a bit under one km. gives the 1.5km guess
above.

So the old nominal figures of 48K skate and 50K classic would perhaps
become 50K skate and 52K classic. That agrees with the signs for how
far left to go which they used on Saturday. They seemed pretty
accurate this year according to my GPS, whereas often in previous
years they overestimated the distance remaining.

I actually got 50.75 total for the classic race, so it's somewhat
more than that, because of the errors caused by twisty routes. My
judgement is that 52 is the nearest integer to the actual distance now.
I suspect they wanted to make the skate race as close to 50 as possible.
In my opinion, the new slightly different route is a real improvement.
Perhaps in the skate race, Burma could cause passing problems, but it's
such a beautiful little trail! And that dreary stuff at the bottom
end of the parkway is well rid of. Probably we can add about 100ft
or 30meters to the total climb. I know that climb beginning Burma is
major, but there was a fairly substantial one on the old section of
#1 now eliminated.

Best, Peter

No, the Timex is not programmable at all for tightening up the
sampling frequency. IIRC, it's about every 2.5 seconds, so, for
example, running around a 400m track gives about 1% error. But
long straight courses with no tree cover might easily get that down to
1/20 of 1%.

Best, Peter