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Speed: Boards vs. Skis??
On Nov 25, 7:51Ā*am, snowbender
wrote: On Nov 25, 1:53 am, Evojeesus wrote: On Nov 16, 4:44 pm, gr wrote: I was wondering; given the same snow and path; which is faster Skis or Snowboards? I've read somewhere, there used to have the mixed skiing and snowboarding "king of the mountain" competition in Europe (more likely in France, iirc) some years ago, snowboarders beat skiers every timeļ¼ that's why there only separated skierX and snowboarderX competitions nowadays. No, it's the other way round. The skiers always beat the snowboarders. I have a couple of friends who competed back in the day. The skiers didn't just beat the snowboarders, they smoked them. On absolute terms skis are faster (check out Derby de la Meije times for proof), but snowboards may be faster on average in some terrain (powder, near-endless vertical) as less they require less energy expenditure from the rider and therefore less stops. Given how snowboarders can break a carving on a dime, which gives them the agility and confidence to run at the higher speed, I think that snowboards are faster than skis in general sliding environments. snowbender Well that's another area where you would be wrong but my guess is you're just spewing misinformation just to be a troll. |
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Speed: Boards vs. Skis??
On Nov 25, 3:26 pm, snoig wrote:
On Nov 25, 7:51 am, snowbender wrote: On Nov 25, 1:53 am, Evojeesus wrote: On Nov 16, 4:44 pm, gr wrote: I was wondering; given the same snow and path; which is faster Skis or Snowboards? I've read somewhere, there used to have the mixed skiing and snowboarding "king of the mountain" competition in Europe (more likely in France, iirc) some years ago, snowboarders beat skiers every timeļ¼ that's why there only separated skierX and snowboarderX competitions nowadays. No, it's the other way round. The skiers always beat the snowboarders. I have a couple of friends who competed back in the day. The skiers didn't just beat the snowboarders, they smoked them. That's what you say; nevertheless, the one I've read was another person's saying, blah, blah, blah, same as you are. Really, they are just people saying, I don't think either is true. But I think that as snowboards can carve a fairly straight line (and skis have to turn to carve), snowboards would be faster than skis. On absolute terms skis are faster (check out Derby de la Meije times for proof), but snowboards may be faster on average in some terrain (powder, near-endless vertical) as less they require less energy expenditure from the rider and therefore less stops. Given how snowboarders can break a carving on a dime, which gives them the agility and confidence to run at the higher speed, I think that snowboards are faster than skis in general sliding environments. snowbender Well that's another area where you would be wrong but my guess is you're just spewing misinformation just to be a troll. Same as the misinformation you're spewing, are you not a troll? On the mountains you'd occasional see people bomb down the groomed runs, snowboarders were almost always faster. snowbender |
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Speed: Boards vs. Skis??
On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 06:54:02 -0800 (PST), snowbender
wrote this crap: Given how snowboarders can break a carving on a dime, which gives them the agility and confidence to run at the higher speed, I think that snowboards are faster than skis in general sliding environments. snowbender Well that's another area where you would be wrong but my guess is you're just spewing misinformation just to be a troll. Same as the misinformation you're spewing, are you not a troll? On the mountains you'd occasional see people bomb down the groomed runs, snowboarders were almost always faster. Answer a simple question. *Why* did you ask your question in this newsgroup when you had already made up your mind about the answer? I suspect that you are just an annoying troll trying to stir up trouble. Go back under your bridge or my minions will find out where you live. Vote for Palin-Brown in 2012. Repeal the nightmares. This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe |
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Speed: Boards vs. Skis??
On Nov 25, 7:12 am, downhill wrote:
snowbender wrote: On Nov 25, 1:53 am, Evojeesus wrote: On Nov 16, 4:44 pm, gr wrote: I was wondering; given the same snow and path; which is faster Skis or Snowboards? I've read somewhere, there used to have the mixed skiing and snowboarding "king of the mountain" competition in Europe (more likely in France, iirc) some years ago, snowboarders beat skiers every timeļ¼ that's why there only separated skierX and snowboarderX competitions nowadays. On absolute terms skis are faster (check out Derby de la Meije times for proof), but snowboards may be faster on average in some terrain (powder, near-endless vertical) as less they require less energy expenditure from the rider and therefore less stops. Given how snowboarders can break a carving on a dime, which gives them the agility and confidence to run at the higher speed, I think that snowboards are faster than skis in general sliding environments. snowbender Give up a independent reference because you have proven your thinking is not correct. What for? all you're going to do when I provide proof is to run and hide, too much works for a none-result, nevertheless, I do have a clip for your little knowledge's continue education, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TshFWSsrn8 A person posted here using the nastar handicapping as a reason for snowboarders being slower than skiers, that is a reasonable argument one way or the other. If snowboarders break on a dime why do they not run in slalom skiing, maybe you can not out turn a boarder. But I think most of us can. Well, we were talking about "speed," not how they "turn," nevertheless, if they use a snowboarder as the course setter, I think the result would be very different. I think a universal answer for this question is wrong, and which one (boards vs skis) is faster is dependent on the person who wields them. Try to have a good thanksgiving everybody. Snowfake Do you know the way the turkey goes in? Clueless on flightless, gobble, gobble. snowbender |
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Speed: Boards vs. Skis??
On 11/26/2010 09:54 AM, snowbender wrote:
On Nov 25, 3:26 pm, wrote: On Nov 25, 7:51 am, wrote: On Nov 25, 1:53 am, wrote: On Nov 16, 4:44 pm, wrote: I was wondering; given the same snow and path; which is faster Skis or Snowboards? I've read somewhere, there used to have the mixed skiing and snowboarding "king of the mountain" competition in Europe (more likely in France, iirc) some years ago, snowboarders beat skiers every timeļ¼ that's why there only separated skierX and snowboarderX competitions nowadays. No, it's the other way round. The skiers always beat the snowboarders. I have a couple of friends who competed back in the day. The skiers didn't just beat the snowboarders, they smoked them. That's what you say; nevertheless, the one I've read was another person's saying, blah, blah, blah, same as you are. Really, they are just people saying, I don't think either is true. But I think that as snowboards can carve a fairly straight line (and skis have to turn to carve), snowboards would be faster than skis. cough cough bull**** See Lindsey Vonn and a description of her downhill technique. Her extreme speed is, in part, due to her ability to 'float', to use as little edge as possible/needed. I can go across a slope on my edges without turning. Can't you? As for the argument at hand. I once said to a snowboard instructor friend of mine that skis were always faster than snowboard. We then did a run from the top of one lift to the bottom of another on a slope that goes from moderate to fairly gentle. He smoked me. The conditions we Fresh tune for him He was 20 years old (I was 60 at the time) and he was used to going very fast on a board. I think the question is still up in the air. I think someone can build a board (say 200cm long) with other features, like very little sidecut and a fairly forward stance and carving board binding with stiff boots and then he might be able to keep up with task oriented speed skis. IOW, I think it may be the equipment. 'course big cojones help too. On absolute terms skis are faster (check out Derby de la Meije times for proof), but snowboards may be faster on average in some terrain (powder, near-endless vertical) as less they require less energy expenditure from the rider and therefore less stops. Given how snowboarders can break a carving on a dime, which gives them the agility and confidence to run at the higher speed, I think that snowboards are faster than skis in general sliding environments. snowbender Well that's another area where you would be wrong but my guess is you're just spewing misinformation just to be a troll. Same as the misinformation you're spewing, are you not a troll? On the mountains you'd occasional see people bomb down the groomed runs, snowboarders were almost always faster. snowbender |
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Speed: Boards vs. Skis??
VtSkier wrote:
I can go across a slope on my edges without turning. Can't you? As for the argument at hand. I once said to a snowboard instructor friend of mine that skis were always faster than snowboard. We then did a run from the top of one lift to the bottom of another on a slope that goes from moderate to fairly gentle. He smoked me. The conditions we Fresh tune for him He was 20 years old (I was 60 at the time) and he was used to going very fast on a board. I think the question is still up in the air. I think someone can build a board (say 200cm long) with other features, like very little sidecut and a fairly forward stance and carving board binding with stiff boots and then he might be able to keep up with task oriented speed skis. IOW, I think it may be the equipment. 'course big cojones help too. I have found that there is always an exception just not necessarily the rule. One difference is in the stance of snowboarder vs skier they do windtunnel testing to find right position of skier for max speed low drag position. You do not go fast standing up. I can not think of getting a boarder into a aerodynamic shape with out surgery or being a double amputee. Also the real speed skiers use aerodynamic faring on their body and test in windtunnels. |
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Speed: Boards vs. Skis??
On Nov 26, 7:05*am, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 06:54:02 -0800 (PST), snowbender wrote this crap: Given how snowboarders can break a carving on a dime, which gives them the agility and confidence to run at the higher speed, I think that snowboards are faster than skis in general sliding environments. snowbender Well that's another area where you would be wrong but my guess is you're just spewing misinformation just to be a troll. Same as the misinformation you're spewing, are you not a troll? On the mountains you'd occasional see people bomb down the groomed runs, snowboarders were almost always faster. Answer a simple question. **Why* did you ask your question in this newsgroup when you had already made up your mind about the answer? I suspect that you are just an annoying troll trying to stir up trouble. *Go back under your bridge or my minions will find out where you live. Holy ****. Horvath calling someone a troll. I'd say PKB, but this deserves something better. Like the hemorrhoid calling the turd stinky might be close. |
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Speed: Boards vs. Skis??
On Nov 26, 4:51*pm, VtSkier wrote:
I think the question is still up in the air. Well, the question is still, have snowboarders ever beat skiers on the same course? Case in point, Derby de la Meije 2008 (total vertical depends on the year but can be over 1800m): Fastest skier: 06:02 Fastest monoskier: 07:33 Fastest telemarker: 07:33 Fastest snowboarder: 08:52 These guys are all certifiably insane, to get the idea of the madness involved, check out the winning run from 2009: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erc3yLswnWk =:-O |
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Speed: Boards vs. Skis??
On 11/26/10 7:51 AM, VtSkier wrote:
I think someone can build a board (say 200cm long) with other features, like very little sidecut and a fairly forward stance and carving board binding with stiff boots and then he might be able to keep up with task oriented speed skis. IOW, I think it may be the equipment. 'course big cojones help too. They use such custom speed boards in the speed trials such as Les Arcs, pretty much matching your description. The resulting records were posted herein awhile back - speed skier is substantially faster than a speed boarder. |
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Speed: Boards vs. Skis??
On Nov 26, 9:26*am, downhill wrote:
VtSkier wrote: I can go across a slope on my edges without turning. Can't you? As for the argument at hand. I once said to a snowboard instructor friend of mine that skis were always faster than snowboard. We then did a run from the top of one lift to the bottom of another on a slope that goes from moderate to fairly gentle. He smoked me. The conditions we Fresh tune for him He was 20 years old (I was 60 at the time) and he was used to going very fast on a board. I think the question is still up in the air. I think someone can build a board (say 200cm long) with other features, like very little sidecut and a fairly forward stance and carving board binding with stiff boots and then he might be able to keep up with task oriented speed skis. IOW, I think it may be the equipment. 'course big cojones help too. I have found that there is always an exception just not necessarily the rule. One difference is in the stance of snowboarder vs skier they do windtunnel testing to find right position of skier for max speed low drag position. You do not go fast standing up. I can not think of getting a boarder into a aerodynamic shape with out surgery or being a double amputee. Also the real speed skiers use aerodynamic faring *on their body and test in windtunnels.- Hide quoted text - Any efficient skier knows that skis are faster and more manuverable. In learning to ski the object is to learn to turn. How fast going "straight down" isn't an issue. Only snowboarders use that "logic". You can put a brick on any sliding device and achieve that. LOL, they kinda do! |
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