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Classic Roller Skiing and Difference between Jenex V2 Aero 125 and V2 105SRX
I'm interested in finding out more about stable 3 wheel classic roller
skis. Do people enjoy classic roller skiing? Which models of 3 wheel classic skis do people like? Also, has anyone tried the 105SRX Retro Classic - it uses solid rubber tires and should be able to use the new Jenex wheels that are being tested now (I spoke with Robin at Jenex and Len is testing 3-4 speeds of 105 rubber tires Jenex will be offering) and/or the Aero 125 Retro Classic? On first glance I think I'd like the 105SRX Retro Classic because of the solid rubber wheels and lighter weight (I believe it's lighter than the Aero 125 Retro Classic). I'm biased toward no air tires (easier maintenance). |
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Classic Roller Skiing and Difference between Jenex V2 Aero 125and V2 105SRX
I do a fair amount of classic rollerskiing (and mostly classic ski), and
infinitely prefer the Jenex 800 series or Marwe Classics. Two important points. Classic rollerskiing *will* induce bad habits - lazy kick, soft poling. Very few people are willing to commit and explode on rollerskis like you should on snow. Having a bad pole plant on pavement leaves some serious scrapes. Also, the stability of 3 wheels does nothing for fixing your form. If you can't stand up on the fat wheel skis, FIX YOUR ANKLES AND CORE. Don't make a bad situation worse by bandaiding it with 3 wheels, outriggers, etc. I mostly doublepole on classic RS workouts. I kick only when I can't DP or for intervals. But 2 hours is about the max. Anything longer just seems to induce really ugly habits. My .02 Marsh mountainwalker wrote: I'm interested in finding out more about stable 3 wheel classic roller skis. Do people enjoy classic roller skiing? Which models of 3 wheel classic skis do people like? Also, has anyone tried the 105SRX Retro Classic - it uses solid rubber tires and should be able to use the new Jenex wheels that are being tested now (I spoke with Robin at Jenex and Len is testing 3-4 speeds of 105 rubber tires Jenex will be offering) and/or the Aero 125 Retro Classic? On first glance I think I'd like the 105SRX Retro Classic because of the solid rubber wheels and lighter weight (I believe it's lighter than the Aero 125 Retro Classic). I'm biased toward no air tires (easier maintenance). |
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Classic Roller Skiing and Difference between Jenex V2 Aero 125 and V2 105SRX
On Apr 17, 9:49 pm, Marsh Jones wrote:
I do a fair amount of classic rollerskiing (and mostly classic ski), and infinitely prefer the Jenex 800 series or Marwe Classics. Two important points. Classic rollerskiing *will* induce bad habits - lazy kick, soft poling. Very few people are willing to commit and explode on rollerskis like you should on snow. Having a bad pole plant on pavement leaves some serious scrapes. Also, the stability of 3 wheels does nothing for fixing your form. If you can't stand up on the fat wheel skis, FIX YOUR ANKLES AND CORE. Don't make a bad situation worse by bandaiding it with 3 wheels, outriggers, etc. I mostly doublepole on classic RS workouts. I kick only when I can't DP or for intervals. But 2 hours is about the max. Anything longer just seems to induce really ugly habits. My .02 Marsh mountainwalker wrote: I'm interested in finding out more about stable 3 wheel classic roller skis. Do people enjoy classic roller skiing? Which models of 3 wheel classic skis do people like? Also, has anyone tried the 105SRX Retro Classic - it uses solid rubber tires and should be able to use the new Jenex wheels that are being tested now (I spoke with Robin at Jenex and Len is testing 3-4 speeds of 105 rubber tires Jenex will be offering) and/or the Aero 125 Retro Classic? On first glance I think I'd like the 105SRX Retro Classic because of the solid rubber wheels and lighter weight (I believe it's lighter than the Aero 125 Retro Classic). I'm biased toward no air tires (easier maintenance). Thanks Marsh, that was helpful. I have no intention of picking up classic skis right away - I'm just getting going on skate roller skis. How good a workout do you get doing classic roller skiing compared with skate roller skiing? I would imagine it would be rigorous classic roller, but I guess that depends on how hard you work. |
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Classic Roller Skiing and Difference between Jenex V2 Aero 125and V2 105SRX
There's a long history that supports classic rollerskiing as better
for endurance conditioning that skating. More controlled and linear ups and downs. Don't know if the article about the Soviet team study from the late 80s is still up, but the take home line was that the team half that trained 2/3 classic won all the medals (included Smirnov). Last fall an article on fasterskier from the German women's team said they were rolling classical for long workouts. I've never had the degree of problem Marsh reports and am able to explode and get off the skis more quickly. Even so, given the available terrain close by, DP and K-DP tend to dominate my workouts. Except for a little variety here and there, I pretty much save striding for hills that require it. rm mountainwalker wrote: Thanks Marsh, that was helpful. I have no intention of picking up classic skis right away - I'm just getting going on skate roller skis. How good a workout do you get doing classic roller skiing compared with skate roller skiing? I would imagine it would be rigorous classic roller, but I guess that depends on how hard you work. |
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Classic Roller Skiing and Difference between Jenex V2 Aero 125and V2 105SRX
Very important codicil. LISTEN to this man! I did an extensive amount of classic roller skiing last year, mixed in with my attempts to teach myself skate skiing on roller skis.I was actually way more successful with the skate than classic. It REALLY messed me up with classic come snowfall. My kick, come ski season, was off to the point it took me two full weeks to recover. I wouldn't have even guessed what had happened had no I mentioned it to the instructor who was teaching me skate.Poling was really messed up even though I had spent a considerable amount o time working on DP. That and my kick had me glued too the snow. Roller skiing is a wonderful workout for the non-snow months and it made the difference between me being able to skate and not being able to skate... BUT...beware with classic! Marsh Jones wrote: I do a fair amount of classic rollerskiing (and mostly classic ski), and infinitely prefer the Jenex 800 series or Marwe Classics. Two important points. Classic rollerskiing *will* induce bad habits - lazy kick, soft poling. Very few people are willing to commit and explode on rollerskis like you should on snow. Having a bad pole plant on pavement leaves some serious scrapes. Also, the stability of 3 wheels does nothing for fixing your form. If you can't stand up on the fat wheel skis, FIX YOUR ANKLES AND CORE. Don't make a bad situation worse by bandaiding it with 3 wheels, outriggers, etc. I mostly doublepole on classic RS workouts. I kick only when I can't DP or for intervals. But 2 hours is about the max. Anything longer just seems to induce really ugly habits. My .02 Marsh mountainwalker wrote: I'm interested in finding out more about stable 3 wheel classic roller skis. Do people enjoy classic roller skiing? Which models of 3 wheel classic skis do people like? Also, has anyone tried the 105SRX Retro Classic - it uses solid rubber tires and should be able to use the new Jenex wheels that are being tested now (I spoke with Robin at Jenex and Len is testing 3-4 speeds of 105 rubber tires Jenex will be offering) and/or the Aero 125 Retro Classic? On first glance I think I'd like the 105SRX Retro Classic because of the solid rubber wheels and lighter weight (I believe it's lighter than the Aero 125 Retro Classic). I'm biased toward no air tires (easier maintenance). |
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Classic Roller Skiing and Difference between Jenex V2 Aero 125and V2 105SRX
I'm thinking some things are getting tossed together about classical
rollerskiing that shouldn't. Assuming good technique, if you stride *a lot* in terrain that is too easy for striding, then you're more likely to develop the habit of staying on the kick too long. It's simply too hard to maintain for long the quick-kicking tempo that easier terrain creates. You have to slow down, which means staying on the rollerski longer, which for *some* people leads to bad habits. However, if you stride on uphills that are steep enough to allow for a quicker kick at whatever output level just to keep going, then bad habits are less likely to develop. The thing is that we don't normally spend a lot of time on such terrain and do spend a lot of time on easier terrain. That's why the emphasis on DP and Kick-DP, and the warning about striding. As a caveat to all these bad habit warnings, I suggest comparing the numerous warnings on rsn of the bad things that come from using a Nordic Track (do a group search), with Bill Koch's comment about wishing he'd discovered the machine earlier. rm Randy wrote: Very important codicil. LISTEN to this man! I did an extensive amount of classic roller skiing last year, mixed in with my attempts to teach myself skate skiing on roller skis.I was actually way more successful with the skate than classic. It REALLY messed me up with classic come snowfall. My kick, come ski season, was off to the point it took me two full weeks to recover. I wouldn't have even guessed what had happened had no I mentioned it to the instructor who was teaching me skate.Poling was really messed up even though I had spent a considerable amount o time working on DP. That and my kick had me glued too the snow. Roller skiing is a wonderful workout for the non-snow months and it made the difference between me being able to skate and not being able to skate... BUT...beware with classic! Marsh Jones wrote: I do a fair amount of classic rollerskiing (and mostly classic ski), and infinitely prefer the Jenex 800 series or Marwe Classics. Two important points. Classic rollerskiing *will* induce bad habits - lazy kick, soft poling. Very few people are willing to commit and explode on rollerskis like you should on snow. Having a bad pole plant on pavement leaves some serious scrapes. Also, the stability of 3 wheels does nothing for fixing your form. If you can't stand up on the fat wheel skis, FIX YOUR ANKLES AND CORE. Don't make a bad situation worse by bandaiding it with 3 wheels, outriggers, etc. I mostly doublepole on classic RS workouts. I kick only when I can't DP or for intervals. But 2 hours is about the max. Anything longer just seems to induce really ugly habits. My .02 Marsh mountainwalker wrote: I'm interested in finding out more about stable 3 wheel classic roller skis. Do people enjoy classic roller skiing? Which models of 3 wheel classic skis do people like? Also, has anyone tried the 105SRX Retro Classic - it uses solid rubber tires and should be able to use the new Jenex wheels that are being tested now (I spoke with Robin at Jenex and Len is testing 3-4 speeds of 105 rubber tires Jenex will be offering) and/or the Aero 125 Retro Classic? On first glance I think I'd like the 105SRX Retro Classic because of the solid rubber wheels and lighter weight (I believe it's lighter than the Aero 125 Retro Classic). I'm biased toward no air tires (easier maintenance). |
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Classic Roller Skiing and Difference between Jenex V2 Aero 125 and V2 105SRX
On Apr 19, 2:00 pm, wrote:
I'm thinking some things are getting tossed together about classical rollerskiing that shouldn't. Assuming good technique, if you stride *a lot* in terrain that is too easy for striding, then you're more likely to develop the habit of staying on the kick too long. It's simply too hard to maintain for long the quick-kicking tempo that easier terrain creates. You have to slow down, which means staying on the rollerski longer, which for *some* people leads to bad habits. However, if you stride on uphills that are steep enough to allow for a quicker kick at whatever output level just to keep going, then bad habits are less likely to develop. The thing is that we don't normally spend a lot of time on such terrain and do spend a lot of time on easier terrain. That's why the emphasis on DP and Kick-DP, and the warning about striding. As a caveat to all these bad habit warnings, I suggest comparing the numerous warnings on rsn of the bad things that come from using a Nordic Track (do a group search), with Bill Koch's comment about wishing he'd discovered the machine earlier. rm Randy wrote: Very important codicil. LISTEN to this man! I did an extensive amount of classic roller skiing last year, mixed in with my attempts to teach myself skate skiing on roller skis.I was actually way more successful with the skate than classic. It REALLY messed me up with classic come snowfall. My kick, come ski season, was off to the point it took me two full weeks to recover. I wouldn't have even guessed what had happened had no I mentioned it to the instructor who was teaching me skate.Poling was really messed up even though I had spent a considerable amount o time working on DP. That and my kick had me glued too the snow. Roller skiing is a wonderful workout for the non-snow months and it made the difference between me being able to skate and not being able to skate... BUT...beware with classic! Marsh Jones wrote: I do a fair amount of classic rollerskiing (and mostly classic ski), and infinitely prefer the Jenex 800 series or Marwe Classics. Two important points. Classic rollerskiing *will* induce bad habits - lazy kick, soft poling. Very few people are willing to commit and explode on rollerskis like you should on snow. Having a bad pole plant on pavement leaves some serious scrapes. Also, the stability of 3 wheels does nothing for fixing your form. If you can't stand up on the fat wheel skis, FIX YOUR ANKLES AND CORE. Don't make a bad situation worse by bandaiding it with 3 wheels, outriggers, etc. I mostly doublepole on classic RS workouts. I kick only when I can't DP or for intervals. But 2 hours is about the max. Anything longer just seems to induce really ugly habits. My .02 Marsh mountainwalker wrote: I'm interested in finding out more about stable 3 wheel classic roller skis. Do people enjoy classic roller skiing? Which models of 3 wheel classic skis do people like? Also, has anyone tried the 105SRX Retro Classic - it uses solid rubber tires and should be able to use the new Jenex wheels that are being tested now (I spoke with Robin at Jenex and Len is testing 3-4 speeds of 105 rubber tires Jenex will be offering) and/or the Aero 125 Retro Classic? On first glance I think I'd like the 105SRX Retro Classic because of the solid rubber wheels and lighter weight (I believe it's lighter than the Aero 125 Retro Classic). I'm biased toward no air tires (easier maintenance). Dear all: I use Aero 150 Combis with an outrigger for classic. Heavy, yes, but I swore off small hard wheel skis after too many falls when fully committed to the gliding ski from tiny pebbles or twigs or pavement imperfections, especially in the dark. I have the outrigger adjusted high off the road (plus they're worn), so they rarely touch down, but the Aeros are just too unstable for a confident committed classic kick without them unless you have technical perfection, and perfection becomes difficult to maintain kick after kick for a few hours. Yes, bad habits are easy to develop on roller skis and Nordic Tracks, but the specific training is worth the risk to me, especiallly if I really try to take time to think about proper technique while using them. Some periodic expert coaching is useful to avoid and correct bad habits, especially if you can use video to view yourself. I am rather intrigued by the V2-Jenex 9000 series classic roller ski, with the 1005 wheel (clutched) up front and the wider 910, 920, or 930 wheel in back, and also the Norwegian Dynaskate suspended skate skis. Anyone tried 'em? Randy |
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Classic Roller Skiing and Difference between Jenex V2 Aero 125 and V2 105SRX
I have been on DynaSkates since they first came out 4 years ago. I highly
recommend them. They are a bit pricey ($500 or $600), but they have a great on snow feel and the suspension smoothes out the ride on less than smooth pavement. I have them set up with Marwe 100mm wheels (2,000 to 3,000 mile wheel life) and have averaged over 2,000 miles a year over those four years and they have held up well. The FrontRunner wrote in message ups.com... On Apr 19, 2:00 pm, wrote: I'm thinking some things are getting tossed together about classical rollerskiing that shouldn't. Assuming good technique, if you stride *a lot* in terrain that is too easy for striding, then you're more likely to develop the habit of staying on the kick too long. It's simply too hard to maintain for long the quick-kicking tempo that easier terrain creates. You have to slow down, which means staying on the rollerski longer, which for *some* people leads to bad habits. However, if you stride on uphills that are steep enough to allow for a quicker kick at whatever output level just to keep going, then bad habits are less likely to develop. The thing is that we don't normally spend a lot of time on such terrain and do spend a lot of time on easier terrain. That's why the emphasis on DP and Kick-DP, and the warning about striding. As a caveat to all these bad habit warnings, I suggest comparing the numerous warnings on rsn of the bad things that come from using a Nordic Track (do a group search), with Bill Koch's comment about wishing he'd discovered the machine earlier. rm Randy wrote: Very important codicil. LISTEN to this man! I did an extensive amount of classic roller skiing last year, mixed in with my attempts to teach myself skate skiing on roller skis.I was actually way more successful with the skate than classic. It REALLY messed me up with classic come snowfall. My kick, come ski season, was off to the point it took me two full weeks to recover. I wouldn't have even guessed what had happened had no I mentioned it to the instructor who was teaching me skate.Poling was really messed up even though I had spent a considerable amount o time working on DP. That and my kick had me glued too the snow. Roller skiing is a wonderful workout for the non-snow months and it made the difference between me being able to skate and not being able to skate... BUT...beware with classic! Marsh Jones wrote: I do a fair amount of classic rollerskiing (and mostly classic ski), and infinitely prefer the Jenex 800 series or Marwe Classics. Two important points. Classic rollerskiing *will* induce bad habits - lazy kick, soft poling. Very few people are willing to commit and explode on rollerskis like you should on snow. Having a bad pole plant on pavement leaves some serious scrapes. Also, the stability of 3 wheels does nothing for fixing your form. If you can't stand up on the fat wheel skis, FIX YOUR ANKLES AND CORE. Don't make a bad situation worse by bandaiding it with 3 wheels, outriggers, etc. I mostly doublepole on classic RS workouts. I kick only when I can't DP or for intervals. But 2 hours is about the max. Anything longer just seems to induce really ugly habits. My .02 Marsh mountainwalker wrote: I'm interested in finding out more about stable 3 wheel classic roller skis. Do people enjoy classic roller skiing? Which models of 3 wheel classic skis do people like? Also, has anyone tried the 105SRX Retro Classic - it uses solid rubber tires and should be able to use the new Jenex wheels that are being tested now (I spoke with Robin at Jenex and Len is testing 3-4 speeds of 105 rubber tires Jenex will be offering) and/or the Aero 125 Retro Classic? On first glance I think I'd like the 105SRX Retro Classic because of the solid rubber wheels and lighter weight (I believe it's lighter than the Aero 125 Retro Classic). I'm biased toward no air tires (easier maintenance). Dear all: I use Aero 150 Combis with an outrigger for classic. Heavy, yes, but I swore off small hard wheel skis after too many falls when fully committed to the gliding ski from tiny pebbles or twigs or pavement imperfections, especially in the dark. I have the outrigger adjusted high off the road (plus they're worn), so they rarely touch down, but the Aeros are just too unstable for a confident committed classic kick without them unless you have technical perfection, and perfection becomes difficult to maintain kick after kick for a few hours. Yes, bad habits are easy to develop on roller skis and Nordic Tracks, but the specific training is worth the risk to me, especiallly if I really try to take time to think about proper technique while using them. Some periodic expert coaching is useful to avoid and correct bad habits, especially if you can use video to view yourself. I am rather intrigued by the V2-Jenex 9000 series classic roller ski, with the 1005 wheel (clutched) up front and the wider 910, 920, or 930 wheel in back, and also the Norwegian Dynaskate suspended skate skis. Anyone tried 'em? Randy |
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Classic Roller Skiing and Difference between Jenex V2 Aero 125and V2 105SRX
I imagine four years ago the dollar was in a lot better shape relative
to the Norwegian NOK. It is an interesting idea, now that the Marwe is getting up there in price. The 610 has the ski shaft frame that flexes. Do these feel the same or softer with the suspension effect? Did you ever try their wheels? Which spring do you have, or the set? rm "FrontRunner" wrote: I have been on DynaSkates since they first came out 4 years ago. I highly recommend them. They are a bit pricey ($500 or $600), but they have a great on snow feel and the suspension smoothes out the ride on less than smooth pavement. I have them set up with Marwe 100mm wheels (2,000 to 3,000 mile wheel life) and have averaged over 2,000 miles a year over those four years and they have held up well. |
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