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Old December 5th 05, 12:40 AM
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On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 00:22:49 GMT, "Oleg Konovalov"
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Are you saying that the higher the elevation, the more chances of snow?
Is that because it's supposed to be colder there ?
But we are talking about XC skiing there, not alpine...
So we need a plateau with high elevation.

Yes, on average, with no other factors, 1000 feet of elevation gain
means 3 to 5 degrees F colder. Farther north and farther inland are
other factors if you are looking for natural snow.

In this case, how about the Prospect Mountain?
On their web site they claim that they have snow when nobody has it,
although they are a way to the south from Stowe.
Is that a good place to stay and ski with the family for 4-5 days ?

Is that the marketing people or the weather service saying that? Some
areas do have localized weather patterns which can lead to greater
snowfall.

OK, suppose it's warm before Christmas.
Any good places in Canada which are not too far (Quebec, Ontario) ?

Plenty of options up in Canada. The mountainous area about an hour
north of Montreal is a safe bet for snow.

P.S.: All that might be an empty precaution, it was snowing in Princeton
this night ;-)
But I would like to have a backup plan just in case.

Always wise.
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Gary (net.yogi.bear)
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Old December 5th 05, 01:38 AM
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On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 00:40:13 GMT, Gary S. Idontwantspam@net wrote:

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 00:22:49 GMT, "Oleg Konovalov"
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In this case, how about the Prospect Mountain?
On their web site they claim that they have snow when nobody has it,
although they are a way to the south from Stowe.
Is that a good place to stay and ski with the family for 4-5 days ?

Is that the marketing people or the weather service saying that? Some
areas do have localized weather patterns which can lead to greater
snowfall.


It's their marketing, and pretty honest. They're pretty high up. Nice
lodge. Nice town (Bennington) down below.

JT

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Old December 5th 05, 01:56 AM
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On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 20:38:35 -0500, John Forrest Tomlinson
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On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 00:40:13 GMT, Gary S. Idontwantspam@net wrote:

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 00:22:49 GMT, "Oleg Konovalov"
wrote:

In this case, how about the Prospect Mountain?
On their web site they claim that they have snow when nobody has it,
although they are a way to the south from Stowe.
Is that a good place to stay and ski with the family for 4-5 days ?

Is that the marketing people or the weather service saying that? Some
areas do have localized weather patterns which can lead to greater
snowfall.


It's their marketing, and pretty honest. They're pretty high up. Nice
lodge. Nice town (Bennington) down below.

The smart marketing people do realize that exaggerating snow coverage
only hurts them in the long run. Sounds like this one has a good
location.

There are not many ugly parts of Vermont.
Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
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Old December 5th 05, 10:56 AM
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Oleg Konovalov wrote:

Are you saying that the higher the elevation, the more chances of snow?


In this case, how about the Prospect Mountain?
On their web site they claim that they have snow when nobody has it,
although they are a way to the south from Stowe.
Is that a good place to stay and ski with the family for 4-5 days ?


OK, suppose it's warm before Christmas.
Any good places in Canada which are not too far (Quebec, Ontario) ?


Yes, higher elevation improves the chance for snow. So, for example, in
New Hampshire, Great Glen Trails has a slightly better chance of snow
than nearby Jackson (although Jackson itself has a pretty good chance).
In southern Vermont, Prospect Mountain stands out as a place with
significantly better chance of snow than any place nearby (or even
compared to places an hour or more further north).

The problem with the time of year under discussion (before Christmas) is
that the odds are not very good anywhere in northeastern North America.
That time of year, there is a significant possibility that you could
go all the way to Camp frigging Mercier (north of Quebec City) and find
little to no snow.

At the Big Three northeastern-U.S. cross-country ski towns: Lake Placid,
Stowe, and Jackson, you probably have, in January+February, about a 90%
chance of having good snow conditions. But, in mid-December, the odds
are more like 55%. (For Prospect Mountain, I'd guess something like 80%
in the heart of the winter, but something like 45% for mid-December.)
The best odds for snow within the northeastern U.S. are at some of the
less well known and less convenient places: Great Glen Trails and The
Balsams in New Hampshire, or Hazen's Notch in Vermont, so that might get
your odds up to, say, 60%.

In northeastern Canada, the best chances of early-season snow (maybe
67%) are Parc de la Gatineau (which you went to already),
Mt-Tremblant/St-Jovite, and possibly Val-Morin/Val-David (i.e., Far
Hills Resort), possibly Mt-Ste-Anne. And, of course, Camp frigging Mercier.

Lew Lasher
Cambridge, Massachusetts and Stowe, Vermont
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Old December 5th 05, 07:35 PM
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"Lew Lasher" wrote in message
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In northeastern Canada, the best chances of early-season snow (maybe 67%)
are Parc de la Gatineau (which you went to already),
Mt-Tremblant/St-Jovite, and possibly Val-Morin/Val-David (i.e., Far Hills
Resort), possibly Mt-Ste-Anne. And, of course, Camp frigging Mercier.


Foret Montmorency, next to Camp Mercier, has been open since early November.
Camp Mercier have enough snow but will only open next week-end. Both places
are about 30-40 miles north of Quebec City, a nice place to visit or dine
out in the evening : )

In the Townships, Mont Megantic will also open next week-end, but it is not
really a place I would ski with a kid. It's up up and up and then down down
down. Mont Orford was open for the last 2 week-ends, with limited trails
where you'd better use your rock skis. I don't think north of Montreal is an
option right now. Maybe a good idea is to keep checking this map of snow
depth and decide as late as possible :
http://www.theweathernetwork.com/fea...ow/indexQC.htm


BarryT

Foret Montmorency is at : http://www.fm.ulaval.ca/default.htm
Mégantic, Mecier and Orford are at : http://www.sepaq.com/


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Old December 11th 05, 06:52 PM
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There is a lot more to the Adirondacks than the Lake Placid (or Lake
George) areas. Right now the west and southwestern areas have really
good snow. Lapland Lake Resort in Northville got nine inches on 12/9,
on top of an 8-10 inch base (http://www.laplandlake.com/) and Garnet
Hill (North River, NY, http://www.garnet-hill.com/) added another five
inches the same day. Just to the west of the Blue Line is the Tug Hill
Plateau, which gets over 240 inches of lake effect snow off Lake
Ontario each winter. Osceola X-C Ski Center in Camden
(http://www.uxcski.com/) is reporting 75 inches so far this winter,
with 15-30 inches on the trails, with 8 inches of snow this weekend
aleady! That sounds like the best bet for reliable snow to me!

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Old December 19th 05, 12:58 AM
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For reliable snow before Christmas the Tug Hill area of New York is
your best bet. They get the most snow in Eastern US. A XC center
there is www.salmonhills.com.



Oleg Konovalov wrote:
Hi,

I would like to do some cross-country skiing with 11 yrs old son medium
difficulty
in North-East US (VT, Quebec, NY, PA,...)

We've been to Lake Placid, NY a few times (liked it), would like to try
something else.
Could anybody recommend something with reliable snow before Christmas ?
We live in NJ. Should be within 9 hrs drive from NYcity and not very boring.

Thank you in advance,
Oleg.


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Old December 21st 05, 04:53 PM
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Ralph wrote:
For reliable snow before Christmas the Tug Hill area of New York is
your best bet. They get the most snow in Eastern US.


Actually the most snow in the eastern U.S. is typically in a very small
area in northern Vermont near Jay Peak. For a current snow depth
chart, see:

http://www.erh.noaa.gov/nerfc/graphi.../sd1_today.jpg

Jay Peak has claimed at various times to offer cross-country skiing,
but, basically, they don't. The only cross-country center in that area
is Hazen's Notch:

http://www.hazensnotch.org/

They are currently claiming snow depths of 36-40" on their trails.

Lew Lasher
Cambridge, Massachusetts and Stowe, Vermont

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Old December 22nd 05, 03:52 PM
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The point is RELIABLE snow. Right now Tug Hill (12/22) has had over 100
inches. Does Northern Vermont?
Trailpatrol

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Old December 23rd 05, 02:14 AM
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Trailpatrol wrote:

The point is RELIABLE snow. Right now Tug Hill (12/22) has had over 100
inches. Does Northern Vermont?


For the area I am talking about, which is admittedly a small area right
around Jay Peak, yes.

If you look at the National Weather Service chart showing total seasonal
snow, the 3 areas with the most snow (labelled 102-119" on the chart)
are Tug Hill (NY), Jay Peak (VT), and Mount Washington (NH):

http://www.erh.noaa.gov/nerfc/graphi...sea1_today.jpg

Lew Lasher
Cambridge, Massachusetts and Stowe, Vermont
 




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