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Inca Snowboards
Has anyone ridden or heard about Inca Snowboards? Read about their
dual camber boards online. Their idea is intriguing, but I'm not sure I completely buy their spiel on dual camber stuff, like some of if makes sense at lower speeds, but at high speeds I don't see how they maintain stability. I notice they have raceboards, wondering if anyone actually uses them. I checked online and reviews are either highly positive or very negative. I wonder if they are still in business. I'm still enjoying my Donek Incline very much, but always nice to keep up with cutting edge stuff. |
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Inca Snowboards
I checked online and reviews are either highly positive or very
negative. I wonder if they are still in business. They are definitely still in business. One of the guys I ride with occasionally at Mt. Hood knows the owner personally. He has the Freeride 177 and rides it in powder with hard boots. I often seeing him making really short, skier-type turns on it, and he picks his way through trees almost effortlessly on it. He's definitely a better rider than me, and I've never seen him on anything else in powder, so it's hard to say what he'd look like on another board in similar conditions. He says it's pretty soft and flexy, and the dual camber makes it really turny. I might try to swap rides with him, for my Axis 172 for a few runs sometime. Mike T |
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Inca Snowboards
I talked a bit with him about that board. He said he really likes it
because the dual camber lets him vary turn radius in the middle of a carve just by shifting weight between feet. Like Mike said, he can make very smooth short radius turns down steep slopes... almost the same motion as a skier going down moguls. Looks like the board has a lot of snap off the tail. Anyhow, I'm pretty sure that guy could out ride me any day on a lunch tray, so I'm not going to attribute it all to a wonder board. But it does sound damn interesting. One thing he mentioned is that the camber keeps you from getting your weight totally distributed evenly over the boards base, so it doesn't glide as well on the flats. |
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I talked a bit with him about that board. He said he really likes it
because the dual camber lets him vary turn radius in the middle of a carve just by shifting weight between feet. Like Mike said, he can make very smooth short radius turns down steep slopes... almost the same motion as a skier going down moguls. Looks like the board has a lot of snap off the tail. Anyhow, I'm pretty sure that guy could out ride me any day on a lunch tray, so I'm not going to attribute it all to a wonder board. But it does sound damn interesting. One thing he mentioned is that the camber keeps you from getting your weight totally distributed evenly over the boards base, so it doesn't glide as well on the flats. I might finally break down and get a dedicated powder board next year. One of my criteria is that it has to be both soft-boot and hard-boot friendly. I'm open to pintails, swallowtails, dual camber, etc, but I do want something that's good in the trees... swallowtail riders, how are yours in the trees? Right now my tentative list of boards to borrow or demo includes: Prior Khyber Burton Fish, if warranty not voided by plates Inca Freeride Rad Air Tanker (which I've heard does surprising well in trees, even in the 192 and 200) swallowtail TBD Donek Phoenix, if comes in the right size -Mike T |
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Swallowtails (was Inca Snowboards)
On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 21:47:34 GMT, "Mike T"
allegedly wrote: I'm open to pintails, swallowtails, dual camber, etc, but I do want something that's good in the trees... swallowtail riders, how are yours in the trees? My Prior Pow is a 181 (cf my 162 Sasquatch), and I have to admit it's a handful in the trees. I struggled last year doing runs in tight trees, mainly on sections where you need to quickly change the direction of travel. The board is super stiff, and you can't just pivot on the tail like you can with a short board. Jump turns can be done, but are just a little more tiring. 50 degree tree runs induce a good cardio work-out!! If I'm riding tight or steep trees, I'll take the short board. The ST is for speed. On open runs or on widely spaced tree runs the Prior rocks. The stability when the pow gets chopped up is super good as well. It's also good for big(ish) drops. I was able to pull out of sketchy landings that I'm not convinced would have work on the shorter board, and landing in general was nice. Plus it's a great talking point. Those that know what it is want to talk about it. Those that don't (I had one girly on a lift go: "oh my gawd, what happened to your board"), want to know about it. Of course, some people don't care either way :-) Iain will be along shortly to rave about the Fish. I'm trying to hook up with him to blag a free demo, else I'll have to hire one. - Dave. -- The only powder to get high on, falls from the sky. http://www.vpas.org/ - Snowboarding the worlds pow pow - Securing your e-mail The Snowboard FAQ lives here - http://rssFAQ.org/ |
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Inca Snowboards
There's still a couple O'Sin 4807 swallow tails up on ebay. PSR has
reccomended the 168 as a tree board. Last I checked Meadows still had a couple demo fish for sale, basicly unused, for $200. Once I was suprrised to see Nitro swallow tails on thehouse for sale cheap... haven't seen them there in a while though. Someone here was asking about the original winterstick pin tail, the origin of the fish style boards... I blundered onto pictures here the other day: http://www.oldsnowboards.com/Winters...ery/index.html |
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Inca Snowboards
Inca boards:
I rode with a happy Hawiian a couple of years ago who was manufacturing them or something. He had a bag full of demonstrators, and I have some pictures somwhere. I don't understand the engineering rationale, and I didn't see anybody ride one two days in a row. On the plus side they were big and floppy, but the whole camber deal makes very little sense to me in deep powder. I might finally break down and get a dedicated powder board next year. One of my criteria is that it has to be both soft-boot and hard-boot friendly. I'm open to pintails, swallowtails, dual camber, etc, but I do want something that's good in the trees... swallowtail riders, how are yours in the trees? Swallowtails... well, they aren't generally used at major heli-operators because whilst they might cruise glaciers ok, they're not much use in the trees & log cuts etc. And of course glaciers are for novices and can be ridden on just about anything anyway ;-) I've never seen anyone ride one in heli-terrain two days in a row. From CMH's website: "Free-ride & free-style boards are often too short for our deep snow conditions. Swallow tail boards are used sometimes. They tend to be quite long, are perfect for cruising & open terrain although in trees, traverses, side slips & wind packed conditions they are not easy to work with. A backcountry board will be your best bet." Think Fish, or Fish clones. I think I'd call them "pin tails". Burton Fish, if warranty not voided by plates Not to my knowledge. Been riding them with plates since they arrived. http://www.wigglesworld.klebos.com/s...fish/index.htm Iain will be along shortly to rave about the Fish. I'm trying to hook up with him to blag a free demo, else I'll have to hire one. He's probably out there using his. They are now standard stock at Wiegele's for heli-boarding. phil |
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[...] the guys on the Fish were having a tougher time than I keeping on top
in the runouts. Perhaps they were just not carrying enough speed as the terrain flattened. It may be that they weren't as good as you, or perhaps their boards weren't waxed for the conditions, although I'm sure the operator knows about all that. Meself I seldom walk, but I've had enough practice to avoid it ;-) The snow was way deep according to our guide, who opted for fat skis instead of her usual 168 supermodel. Is there a point at which the reduced surface area of the Fish is a liability? I ask because I've heard almost exculsively good things about the fish, and my local warehouse store has old stock on sale for $200. Helena? I trust she's well ;-) I used to ride a 168 Supermodel. Some people would trade those up as the snow got deeper, although I never bothered. You may have had "upside down" snow, which is particularly tricky to get forward momentum through. Now I'm on 156 Fish, HD/MD, whichever. I weigh 62kgs... most people would be a bit heavier and may go bigger. I've had the fish in snow which is as deep as it gets - well over head stuff - and not noticed it. However I do have a lot of vertical under my belt and we were on steep stuff (sometimes the avalanche risk prevents that). There might be a point if the snow is very deep and you're on shallow pitch where more surface area would help, although that's actually a fairly rare circumstance and I'd still be on my 156 (too lazy to change). I'm 6' 180lbs, is the 156 big enough or do I need the 160? I'd check the Burton specs, but I think you'd definiately need a bigger board than me: the 160. They're certainly not a handful so it won't be a problem. A steal at $200 I'd say. I didn't notice any riding difference in any of the various years' models, graphics aside. A chap I was with this year was on the 160 and he was probably closer to your weight.. you can see him on the board he http://www.wigglesworld.klebos.com/s...s/A19S9076.jpg One of my other mates is a huge guy (American football player sized) and he was on a 160. The snow we were in wasn't hugely deep though. phil |
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