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Old February 3rd 04, 09:23 PM
Guillaume Kerrien
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Meribel Mottaret Courchevel 1650 Mont de la Bray Courchevel 1850


What is Mont de la Bray in Courchevel area ? I've never heard this name.
Where is it actually ?
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Old February 4th 04, 08:15 AM
Walter Wright
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"Steve Haigh" wrote in message
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CMH wrote:
If only someone could invent a device to track how far you have been
skiing I wouldn't need to ask this question!

A GPS device will do this for you. And it can tell you other things like
max speed during the day. Very amusing stuff.


If you have a Garmin mapping GPRS, I have a map of the 3 Valleys you can
load into it. It has all the lifts runs and First Aid posts, and most of the
mountain restaurants as well. Its home-grown so there are no copyright
issues - shout if you want a copy.

Walter


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Old February 4th 04, 11:35 AM
Paul
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"Walter Wright" wrote in message
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"Steve Haigh" wrote in message
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CMH wrote:
If only someone could invent a device to track how far you have been
skiing I wouldn't need to ask this question!

A GPS device will do this for you. And it can tell you other things like
max speed during the day. Very amusing stuff.


If you have a Garmin mapping GPRS, I have a map of the 3 Valleys you can
load into it. It has all the lifts runs and First Aid posts, and most of

the
mountain restaurants as well. Its home-grown so there are no copyright
issues - shout if you want a copy.

Walter



I don't have a GPS yet but I would love a copy of the map for when I do.
I have also been toying with the idea of setting up a resource for GPS
Piste maps, Home grown maps would be great.



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Old February 5th 04, 03:59 PM
David Brown :o\)
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I'd love a copy too, if that's ok mail to

gprs
at
kitemap
dot
co
dot
uk

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Old February 6th 04, 03:01 PM
Walter Wright
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"Paul" wrote in message
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I don't have a GPS yet but I would love a copy of the map for when I do.
I have also been toying with the idea of setting up a resource for GPS
Piste maps, Home grown maps would be great.


Paul, send me your email address (I'm assuming the published one is a
dummy!), to

| wwright
| dot
| email
| AT
| virgin
| dot
| net

Walter


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Old February 10th 04, 05:22 PM
Crosbie Fitch
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"helloblondie" wrote in message
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I have a very accurate map! The distance is exactly 62.5 miles well done
guys!


But, is that taking into account the ups and downs?

If not, one should add 10-40% to the distance depending upon the gradients
of the slopes traversed.


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Old February 11th 04, 12:50 PM
Steve Haigh
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Crosbie Fitch wrote:
"helloblondie" wrote in message
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I have a very accurate map! The distance is exactly 62.5 miles well done
guys!



But, is that taking into account the ups and downs?

If not, one should add 10-40% to the distance depending upon the gradients
of the slopes traversed.

Nothing like. Add at most 5 or 6%. If you are skiing on normal pistes
with a mix of blue/red/black you are unlikely to exceed a 20 degree
gradient on average over the day. 30 degrees would be an extremely steep
black. It doesn't sound like a lot, but I can't think of a marked piste
in the 3V that exceeds that (including the couloirs in Courchevel).
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Old February 11th 04, 12:58 PM
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:50:50 +0000, Steve Haigh
wrote:

Crosbie Fitch wrote:
"helloblondie" wrote in message
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I have a very accurate map! The distance is exactly 62.5 miles well done
guys!



But, is that taking into account the ups and downs?

If not, one should add 10-40% to the distance depending upon the gradients
of the slopes traversed.

Nothing like. Add at most 5 or 6%. If you are skiing on normal pistes
with a mix of blue/red/black you are unlikely to exceed a 20 degree
gradient on average over the day. 30 degrees would be an extremely steep
black. It doesn't sound like a lot, but I can't think of a marked piste
in the 3V that exceeds that (including the couloirs in Courchevel).


30deg would give a ration of 1:1.15, i.e. a 15% difference. 20deg
gives just less than 10% diff. And yes, this would be a steep average
for a day.


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All opinions expressed are personal and in no way represent those of the Ski Club.
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Old February 11th 04, 01:59 PM
Steve Haigh
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Ace wrote:
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:50:50 +0000, Steve Haigh
wrote:


Crosbie Fitch wrote:

"helloblondie" wrote in message
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I have a very accurate map! The distance is exactly 62.5 miles well done
guys!


But, is that taking into account the ups and downs?

If not, one should add 10-40% to the distance depending upon the gradients
of the slopes traversed.


Nothing like. Add at most 5 or 6%. If you are skiing on normal pistes
with a mix of blue/red/black you are unlikely to exceed a 20 degree
gradient on average over the day. 30 degrees would be an extremely steep
black. It doesn't sound like a lot, but I can't think of a marked piste
in the 3V that exceeds that (including the couloirs in Courchevel).



30deg would give a ration of 1:1.15, i.e. a 15% difference. 20deg
gives just less than 10% diff. And yes, this would be a steep average
for a day.


I think we may be talking at cross purposes here - the % I mean when I
say 5 or 6% is the amount to add to the horizontal distance travelled to
get the "true" distance covered - I assumed this is what was meant by
"helloblondie" when suggesting adding 10-40% to the distance.

I.e. if you measure the distance on a map I think you need to add about
5% to the figure to give the actual distance covered to include the
extra due to going up and down. Of course if you did speed the whole day
on super steep runs you may need to add more.

Either way, a 15% or 30 degree slope is steep in any language:-0
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Old February 11th 04, 02:24 PM
Ace
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:59:48 +0000, Steve Haigh
wrote:

Ace wrote:


30deg would give a ration of 1:1.15, i.e. a 15% difference. 20deg
gives just less than 10% diff. And yes, this would be a steep average
for a day.


I think we may be talking at cross purposes here - the % I mean when I
say 5 or 6% is the amount to add to the horizontal distance travelled to
get the "true" distance covered - I assumed this is what was meant by
"helloblondie" when suggesting adding 10-40% to the distance.


That's exactly what I assumed.

I.e. if you measure the distance on a map I think you need to add about
5% to the figure to give the actual distance covered to include the
extra due to going up and down. Of course if you did speed the whole day
on super steep runs you may need to add more.


Imagine the horizontal, or map distance represented by the base of a
triangle, whose hypotenuse would then be the distance travelled over
the snow.

Schoolboy geometry tells me that the cosine of the angle between these
is equal to the length of the base divided by the length of the
hypotenuse.

So if I ski 1 mile at an average slope of 30deg, the actual distance
skied would be 1/cos30, which is 1.15 miles, a 'difference' of 15%.

Hope it's clear now.
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