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GT wrote:
"lal_truckee" wrote in message ... Buck a pair, sometimes free. If they're too long you can remove the grips and cut them down at the handle end with a hacksaw or tubing cutter. I've never done this, but I believe the people who said it's possible. Not only is it possible, it's required for a true fit - humans don't come in 2 cm size increments so if you use poles at manufactured lengths they will most likely be wrong. Do you do the same thing to the clothes you buy? Jeez 2cm! ....is a little less than an inch. Would you wear shoes that were an inch too long? -- Mary Malmros Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug. |
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Mary Malmros wrote:
GT wrote: "lal_truckee" wrote: Buck a pair, sometimes free. If they're too long you can remove the grips and cut them down at the handle end with a hacksaw or tubing cutter. I've never done this, but I believe the people who said it's possible. Not only is it possible, it's required for a true fit - humans don't come in 2 cm size increments so if you use poles at manufactured lengths they will most likely be wrong. Do you do the same thing to the clothes you buy? Jeez 2cm! ...is a little less than an inch. Would you wear shoes that were an inch too long? You don't have wide feet, do you? Sometimes we're glad to wear shoes only an inch too long. -- Cheers, Bev ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Nothing in the universe can withstand the relentless application of brute force and ignorance." -- Frd, via Dennis (evil) |
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"Mary Malmros" wrote
GT wrote: "lal_truckee" wrote Buck a pair, sometimes free. If they're too long you can remove the grips and cut them down at the handle end with a hacksaw or tubing cutter. I've never done this, but I believe the people who said it's possible. Not only is it possible, it's required for a true fit - humans don't come in 2 cm size increments so if you use poles at manufactured lengths they will most likely be wrong. Do you do the same thing to the clothes you buy? Jeez 2cm! ...is a little less than an inch. Would you wear shoes that were an inch too long? Indeed. I tried my new shaped skis (160 cm) and boots out yesterday and the only hardship I felt were my second-hand poles. My hands ached a bit mid-afternoon, and I wasn't even using my poles much. The poles are a bit too long, I think, by feel and per suggestions on the web about proper pole length. Following the suggestions here, I took an inch off them last night. I used the penetrating oil "PB Blaster" (available at Automotive parts chain stores and Wal-Mart) sprayed into a gap I made with a slot-end screwdriver jammed between the boiled (for several minutes) pole grip and pole. I see from Googling that liquid dishwashing soap might have worked just as well. I also put one of the grips in a vice and applied a pipe wrench to its pole. Both grips came free pretty nicely, all told. I personally give a lot of credit to the PB Blaster. It's easy enough that I would recommend a custom pole fit to all who are a little handy. Skiing went well. It took an hour or so before I felt really good on the skis. Now I think I'm going to grow into them nicely. I'm feeling the need for just a bit more speed, and I think they're up to the task. |
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Elle Navorski wrote:
"Mary Malmros" wrote GT wrote: "lal_truckee" wrote Buck a pair, sometimes free. If they're too long you can remove the grips and cut them down at the handle end with a hacksaw or tubing cutter. I've never done this, but I believe the people who said it's possible. Not only is it possible, it's required for a true fit - humans don't come in 2 cm size increments so if you use poles at manufactured lengths they will most likely be wrong. Do you do the same thing to the clothes you buy? Jeez 2cm! ...is a little less than an inch. Would you wear shoes that were an inch too long? Indeed. I tried my new shaped skis (160 cm) and boots out yesterday and the only hardship I felt were my second-hand poles. My hands ached a bit mid-afternoon, and I wasn't even using my poles much. The poles are a bit too long, I think, by feel and per suggestions on the web about proper pole length. Following the suggestions here, I took an inch off them last night. I used the penetrating oil "PB Blaster" (available at Automotive parts chain stores and Wal-Mart) sprayed into a gap I made with a slot-end screwdriver jammed between the boiled (for several minutes) pole grip and pole. I see from Googling that liquid dishwashing soap might have worked just as well. I also put one of the grips in a vice and applied a pipe wrench to its pole. Both grips came free pretty nicely, all told. I personally give a lot of credit to the PB Blaster. It's easy enough that I would recommend a custom pole fit to all who are a little handy. Skiing went well. It took an hour or so before I felt really good on the skis. Now I think I'm going to grow into them nicely. I'm feeling the need for just a bit more speed, and I think they're up to the task. Won't be long before your grips rot off. Petroleum products and rubber just don't get along. That's why others recommend dishwashing detergent to remove pole handles. Also, your force method was overkill. Something that is stationary and will pull the handle from the bottom will compress the handle making the hole larger and east to slip the handle off. We used a vise with the jaws set just slightly wider than the diameter of the pole. Usually no lubricant is need to get the handle off, but water or water and dish detergent is often needed to get the handle on again. VtSkier (Old shop rat) |
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"VtSkier" wrote
Elle wrote I used the penetrating oil "PB Blaster" (available at Automotive parts snip Won't be long before your grips rot off. Petroleum products and rubber just don't get along. On the side of the PB Blaster can is the following: "PB restores life to O-rings and rubber seals." Also appearing on the side is the caution: "PB Blaster may affect some plastics." After removing the grips, I rinsed them thoroughly with boiling water and Windexed them several times, inside and out, because I hate the smell of PB Blaster and didn't want the stuff seeping deep into the grip material, on principle. If you can't Google and want the MSDS (material safety data sheet) for PB Blaster, let me know. That's why others recommend dishwashing detergent to remove pole handles. Also, your force method was overkill. Something that is stationary and will pull the handle I think you mean "push" the handle from the bottom. Anyway, I pushed and pulled. There was no way the grips on my poles were going to budge with my low upper body strength and without a lubricant. I tried and was going to give up until I thought of the PB Blaster. It wasn't overkill. from the bottom will compress the handle making the hole larger and east to slip the handle off. That's a good point. We used a vise with the jaws set just slightly wider than the diameter of the pole. Usually no lubricant is need to get the handle off, but water or water and dish detergent is often needed to get the handle on again. Elle Old Automobile Repair Rat |
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Elle Navorski wrote:
"VtSkier" wrote Elle wrote I used the penetrating oil "PB Blaster" (available at Automotive parts snip Won't be long before your grips rot off. Petroleum products and rubber just don't get along. On the side of the PB Blaster can is the following: "PB restores life to O-rings and rubber seals." Also appearing on the side is the caution: "PB Blaster may affect some plastics." After removing the grips, I rinsed them thoroughly with boiling water and Windexed them several times, inside and out, because I hate the smell of PB Blaster and didn't want the stuff seeping deep into the grip material, on principle. If you can't Google and want the MSDS (material safety data sheet) for PB Blaster, let me know. That's why others recommend dishwashing detergent to remove pole handles. Also, your force method was overkill. Something that is stationary and will pull the handle I think you mean "push" the handle from the bottom. Anyway, I pushed and pulled. There was no way the grips on my poles were going to budge with my low upper body strength and without a lubricant. I tried and was going to give up until I thought of the PB Blaster. It wasn't overkill. from the bottom will compress the handle making the hole larger and east to slip the handle off. That's a good point. We used a vise with the jaws set just slightly wider than the diameter of the pole. Usually no lubricant is need to get the handle off, but water or water and dish detergent is often needed to get the handle on again. Elle Old Automobile Repair Rat The PB is probably OK then. I hope the screwdriver point didn't damage the handle. Also, be aware that there may be: 1. A screw down from the top of the pole into a wood or plastic plug in the top of the grip which holds the strap in place AND makes it so you will pull the plug out of the pole if you apply a LOT of force without removing the screw first. --or-- 2. A plug in the top of the pole with a molded in pin which holds the strap in place by protruding up through the grommet in the strap from below. This does not need to be removed before the grip. It will be obvious that this is the scheme when you loosen your grips slightly and the straps fall off. I have at least one pair of poles without either of the above. What those (carbon fiber) poles do have is a compression ring tightened with a hex key bolt and nut at the bottom of the grip. The straps are held in place in some other way. The particular poles I have have straps which are releasable if the pole gets caught on something. This to preserve my shoulders, one of which is in not very good shape anyway. While on the subject of poles, and straps, I would recommend not using straps when in an area where the pole might catch on something, like trees. Most of the patrol at my area don't even have straps on their poles, which they DO use when not hauling sleds or carrying 'boo and a drill. VtSkier |
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Since the ski pole is probably about 5 times your shoe size (or whatever), a
fair comparison would be to say would you wear shoes that were 1/5 inch too long. Shoes are typically come in 1/2 sizes, and while I've never measured, I'm quite certain that a 1/2 shoe size represents more than 1/5 inch. -GT "Mary Malmros" wrote in message ... GT wrote: "lal_truckee" wrote in message ... Buck a pair, sometimes free. If they're too long you can remove the grips and cut them down at the handle end with a hacksaw or tubing cutter. I've never done this, but I believe the people who said it's possible. Not only is it possible, it's required for a true fit - humans don't come in 2 cm size increments so if you use poles at manufactured lengths they will most likely be wrong. Do you do the same thing to the clothes you buy? Jeez 2cm! ...is a little less than an inch. Would you wear shoes that were an inch too long? -- Mary Malmros Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug. |
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Elle Navorski wrote:
"VtSkier" wrote Elle wrote I used the penetrating oil "PB Blaster" (available at Automotive parts snip Won't be long before your grips rot off. Petroleum products and rubber just don't get along. On the side of the PB Blaster can is the following: "PB restores life to O-rings and rubber seals." Also appearing on the side is the caution: "PB Blaster may affect some plastics." After removing the grips, I rinsed them thoroughly with boiling water and Windexed them several times, inside and out, because I hate the smell of PB Blaster and didn't want the stuff seeping deep into the grip material, on principle. If you can't Google and want the MSDS (material safety data sheet) for PB Blaster, let me know. That's why others recommend dishwashing detergent to remove pole handles. Also, your force method was overkill. Something that is stationary and will pull the handle I think you mean "push" the handle from the bottom. Anyway, I pushed and pulled. There was no way the grips on my poles were going to budge with my low upper body strength and without a lubricant. I tried and was going to give up until I thought of the PB Blaster. I've removed bike and motorcycle grips by holding an open-end wrench of the proper size around the bar at the inside end of the grip and bashing the wrench repeatedly with a rubber hammer. It wasn't overkill. from the bottom will compress the handle making the hole larger and east to slip the handle off. That's a good point. We used a vise with the jaws set just slightly wider than the diameter of the pole. Usually no lubricant is need to get the handle off, but water or water and dish detergent is often needed to get the handle on again. The problem with detergent and foam grips (not used on poles as far as I know) is that the damn things bubble and are unpleasantly sticky way longer than you want them to be. Old Automobile Repair Rat Isn't 'Rodent' more politically correct? -- Cheers, Bev ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese. |
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Seems to me one could argue that the meaning of "fit" with ski poles is
different from that of shoes. One wants that right angle at the elbow with properly fitted poles. One inch off could, I would argue, be noticeable as far as effort required to push with the poles. People with longer arms would see even more amplification of an improperly fitted ski pole. Or so it seems upon first examination. Shoes that are as much as 1/4 size too large aren't going to be terribly noticeable for many makes of shoes, even good athletic walking shoes. On an hourly basis, I don't think we demand as much of shoes as we do ski poles. "GT" wrote Since the ski pole is probably about 5 times your shoe size (or whatever), a fair comparison would be to say would you wear shoes that were 1/5 inch too long. Shoes are typically come in 1/2 sizes, and while I've never measured, I'm quite certain that a 1/2 shoe size represents more than 1/5 inch. -GT "Mary Malmros" wrote in message ... GT wrote: "lal_truckee" wrote in message ... Buck a pair, sometimes free. If they're too long you can remove the grips and cut them down at the handle end with a hacksaw or tubing cutter. I've never done this, but I believe the people who said it's possible. Not only is it possible, it's required for a true fit - humans don't come in 2 cm size increments so if you use poles at manufactured lengths they will most likely be wrong. Do you do the same thing to the clothes you buy? Jeez 2cm! ...is a little less than an inch. Would you wear shoes that were an inch too long? -- Mary Malmros Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug. |
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