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backcountry touring skis
Having been recently lost my skinny skis to stupidity (my own), I'm in the
market for new skis. With rare exceptions, all of my skiing will occur on Mid-Atlantic hiking trails (6-16" mixed conditions), with occasional forays into higher elevations such as Dolly Sods in WV (24"+ powder possible at times) or Mt.Rodgers etc. Also, most of my skiing will be day trips, with an occasional overnight. I'm used to waxing 200cm skis (I weigh around 145lb, maybe 175 w/full pack) and I'd be wearing Snowfields or a similar synthetic boot (midweight...) with 3-pin (no cable). I recently tried 195 plastic no-wax's and they were ok although not as slippery as my old woodies. So far I'm drawn towards the Karhu Ursa. I've also considered E99's and Madshus Voss Multigrip E+. I'd be very interested in hearing any comments, suggestions, or other words regarding my options. I realize beforehand that there's no such thing as a do-all ski, but I'll admit I'm looking for a good balance of glide, durability, gumby downhill control, maneuverability in the sticks, light weight...etc...yikes! TIA a |
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E99's have been around for ever, just gradually getting better, for a
reason. For a ski that compromises everything in order to do everything reasonably well, it's a darn good Eastern, rolling terrain, off-trail, sometimes icy/sometimes mush heavy touring ski. If you really spend most of your time breaking trail in stuff over a foot and sometimes want to do 24" powder days (in the Mid-Atlantic? I think we have a translation problem here) you will be happier with something wider. But, for what I think really exists in the Mid-Atlantic, the E99 is made to order. Tommy T. "a" wrote in message ... ...With rare exceptions, all of my skiing will occur on Mid-Atlantic hiking trails ... I realize beforehand that there's no such thing as a do-all ski, but I'll admit I'm looking for a good balance of glide, durability, gumby downhill control, maneuverability in the sticks, light weight...etc...yikes! |
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Tommy T. wrote:
E99's have been around for ever, just gradually getting better, for a reason. For a ski that compromises everything in order to do everything reasonably well, it's a darn good Eastern, rolling terrain, off-trail, sometimes icy/sometimes mush heavy touring ski. If you really spend most of your time breaking trail in stuff over a foot and sometimes want to do 24" powder days (in the Mid-Atlantic? I think we have a translation problem here) you will be happier with something wider. But, for what I think really exists in the Mid-Atlantic, the E99 is made to order. Tommy T. "a" wrote in message ... ...With rare exceptions, all of my skiing will occur on Mid-Atlantic hiking trails ... I realize beforehand that there's no such thing as a do-all ski, but I'll admit I'm looking for a good balance of glide, durability, gumby downhill control, maneuverability in the sticks, light weight...etc...yikes! I am a fan of the Fisher S-Bound Rebound skis with Karhu Convert or similar bindings matched with vola 3 pin bindings. They will turn well in all but the toughest sub suface conditions, climb well enough, and are some of the fastest bc no wax skis you will find oweing to the full double camber. Nick Branch |
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I am a fan of the Fisher S-Bound Rebound skis with Karhu Convert or
similar bindings matched with vola 3 pin bindings. They will turn well in all but the toughest sub suface conditions, climb well enough, and are some of the fastest bc no wax skis you will find oweing to the full double camber. How do you manage to turn on double camber skis? -- The suespammers.org mail server is located in California. So are all my other mailboxes. Please do not send unsolicited bulk e-mail or unsolicited commercial e-mail to my suespammers.org address or any of my other addresses. These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. |
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[ Hal Murray ]
How do you manage to turn on double camber skis? It's a bit harder/heavier, but quite doable. Like many Norwegians I started telemarking on Åsnes Sondre (doble camber "telemark" ski, actually more what we call a mountain ski). Upgrading to Tua Grande Neige (my, they're skinny and straight when I look at them now!) was one of the high points of my skiing career. But still, double camber might be a reasonable compromise to get kick&glide if the turns isn't the single most important part of your trips. Martin -- "An ideal world is left as an exercise to the reader." -Paul Graham, On Lisp |
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Booker C. Bense wrote:
How do you manage to turn on double camber skis? _ Sidecut, but none of the S-bound skis is anywhere near as stiff as a double camber waxable ski. They use a negative pattern base that does not require as much camber to still be relatively fast. I would suggest the other answer is "practice". Amazing what you can do with more experience. As long as it's benign snow I can tele and parallel my sidecut-free track skis, which I certainly haven't /always/ been able to do! Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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Booker C. Bense bbense+rec.skiing.backcountry.Mar.23.05@telemark. slac.stanford.edu wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article , Hal Murray wrote: How do you manage to turn on double camber skis? _ Sidecut, but none of the S-bound skis is anywhere near as stiff as a double camber waxable ski. They use a negative pattern base that does not require as much camber to still be relatively fast. I do downhill/AT skiing as fa as I remember. 5-6 years ago I started XC skiing. Well, ski-hiking... This year I started telemarking. I can telemark on my old touring set (Madshus_something 60-50-55 waxless +Salomon Country9 +SNSProfile). But it is much easier on my new set (Karhu Vela 70-60-65 -175cm + SalomonAdventure8 (or Adventure Raid - I've bought both of them because of lack of the response here)+ SNS BC). However going up and even running on the flat is awkward (comparing with that Madshus set). These Karhu are waxable but do have negative fishscale. I have no idea how can I wax (I mean gripwaxes and klisters) waxable skis with a fishscale. I suspect the pattern was made in the ski shop. Should I return these skis? :-( TA |
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"Tommy T." wrote in message news:7700e.13172$aS5.3561@trndny05... E99's have been around for ever, just gradually getting better, for a reason. For a ski that compromises everything in order to do everything reasonably well, it's a darn good Eastern, rolling terrain, off-trail, sometimes icy/sometimes mush heavy touring ski. If you really spend most of your time breaking trail in stuff over a foot and sometimes want to do 24" powder days (in the Mid-Atlantic? I think we have a translation problem here) you will be happier with something wider. But, for what I think really exists in the Mid-Atlantic, the E99 is made to order. Tommy T. Many thanks for the comments. Any experience with the Karhu Ursa's? To be fair I said 6-16", which is not unreasonable, although admittedly most of the time might be in the lower end of that figure. 24" was meant as base for the extreme I might ski in WV high-ground, and indeed two weeks ago I was in Canaan Valley (WV) breaking trail in over a foot of powder. All of which I realize is laughable to those W and N of us :-0 "a" wrote in message ... ...With rare exceptions, all of my skiing will occur on Mid-Atlantic hiking trails ... I realize beforehand that there's no such thing as a do-all ski, but I'll admit I'm looking for a good balance of glide, durability, gumby downhill control, maneuverability in the sticks, light weight...etc...yikes! |
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My wife and I bought Ursas and E99s, respectively. She noticed that it
was much easier for her to stay in control on tight trails than it was skiing the more traditional length and width skis, like E99s. I've taken the E99's to the resort and linked tele turns down blue runs, but this is not what the skis are designed for. In the backcountry, unless you're in real soft snow, it's pretty tough to get these things to turn. I'm using NNN/BC bindings. If you're serious about getting this kind of gear to turn, I'd recommend practicing under ideal conditions. By the way, my wife doesn't feel that the Ursa's are any slower than the more traditional shaped skis. I had a bad experience with rented Lookouts (the predecessor of the Pavo) once where they felt super slow, which steered me towards the lengthier E99s. In hindsight, I think that the snow was just really sticky that day - or something. |
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