Workout efficiency of aero's v. traditional rollerskis

I'm still on the fence about buying the aero's and one issue I wonder
about is the quality of the workout you get from them. I've found (as
have many others) that it's hard to get a really satisfying workout,
on the flats, with hard wheel rollerskis, even with speed reducers
(and the other resistance thing Jenex had for a while).

Does this change with aero's if the wheels are set to "squishy."
(Based on a theory that squishy pneumatic tirer more closely duplicate
the complicated resistive forces you get in snow skiing.) On another
front, does the increased safety make such a difference that people
find they get significantly better workouts?

thanks in advance, Jon

I say that Marwe 610's are more like blue wax snow speed than 125 aeros with
low pressure ,or 150's with low pressure.
I do believe that Jenex says that you can't use low pressure on 125 skis,
but I did some experimenting a while back.

Jenx 830's are quite slow, and the 850 are maybe faster than Marwe 610s.

I never had a hard time getting a workout on Marwe 610's on flats. Pavement
quality impacts speed quite a bit I think with skate roller skis. I never
"out ran" the 610's. That is I could always do something besides double
pole. Not true of 150s.

The comfort of 125s is just great, and that is why I like them. In fact they
are the only skate roller ski I currently own a great compromise.

Gary Jacobson
Rosendale, NY


"Jon" wrote in message
om...
I'm still on the fence about buying the aero's and one issue I wonder
about is the quality of the workout you get from them. I've found (as
have many others) that it's hard to get a really satisfying workout,
on the flats, with hard wheel rollerskis, even with speed reducers
(and the other resistance thing Jenex had for a while).

Does this change with aero's if the wheels are set to "squishy."
(Based on a theory that squishy pneumatic tirer more closely duplicate
the complicated resistive forces you get in snow skiing.) On another
front, does the increased safety make such a difference that people
find they get significantly better workouts?

thanks in advance, Jon

I am a big Aero fan. After ~3 years on Aeros 150 my answer is YES, the
feeling is more snow-like, and satisfying workouts are easier to get
(in addition, transition to snow is easier), and YES, the type of
terrain and pavement greatly expands safey-wise with the Aeros. I know
most of the people here at RSN like hard-wheel r.s., but... I'll never
switch back to hard wheels.

Now, taking into account the complaints about the 125 mm Aeros, you
should go for the old 150 mm model. I've never had a flat in 3 years,
and 2 years out of 3 were pritty intense.

(Jon) wrote in message . com...
I'm still on the fence about buying the aero's and one issue I wonder
about is the quality of the workout you get from them. I've found (as
have many others) that it's hard to get a really satisfying workout,
on the flats, with hard wheel rollerskis, even with speed reducers
(and the other resistance thing Jenex had for a while).

Does this change with aero's if the wheels are set to "squishy."
(Based on a theory that squishy pneumatic tirer more closely duplicate
the complicated resistive forces you get in snow skiing.) On another
front, does the increased safety make such a difference that people
find they get significantly better workouts?

thanks in advance, Jon

I'd have to agree that the 150's greatly expand the choice of skiable
roads. When I was visiting relatives in the Twin Cities last year, I
finally understood why skiers up there are so into their hard-wheeled
skis; they have Baker Park (and many other venues) with perfect
asphalt. Amazing! Here in Iowa, I'm dodging cowpies and potholes at
the same time and the 150's have had no problem jumping a few at 25mph
on the bluff roads.

Oh, to be in a high-tax state...

chris
ne iowa

Aero 150 Devotee

Gary.....I'm new to rollerskiing, only a couple of months on them.
Reading the posts here at RSN has certainly helped to flatten the
learning curve. Would you explain a bit more what you mean when you
write about not outrunning the 610s.. "That is I could always do
something besides double pole. Not true of 150s."? It would be a help.
Thanks, Peter
(revyakin) wrote in message . com...
I am a big Aero fan. After ~3 years on Aeros 150 my answer is YES, the
feeling is more snow-like, and satisfying workouts are easier to get
(in addition, transition to snow is easier), and YES, the type of
terrain and pavement greatly expands safey-wise with the Aeros. I know
most of the people here at RSN like hard-wheel r.s., but... I'll never
switch back to hard wheels.

Now, taking into account the complaints about the 125 mm Aeros, you
should go for the old 150 mm model. I've never had a flat in 3 years,
and 2 years out of 3 were pritty intense.

(Jon) wrote in message . com...
I'm still on the fence about buying the aero's and one issue I wonder
about is the quality of the workout you get from them. I've found (as
have many others) that it's hard to get a really satisfying workout,
on the flats, with hard wheel rollerskis, even with speed reducers
(and the other resistance thing Jenex had for a while).

Does this change with aero's if the wheels are set to "squishy."
(Based on a theory that squishy pneumatic tirer more closely duplicate
the complicated resistive forces you get in snow skiing.) On another
front, does the increased safety make such a difference that people
find they get significantly better workouts?

thanks in advance, Jon

I was talking about speed. While the 150 skis have speed reducers, they are
suppose to not be used for skating, but only for downhills and double
poling.
Some people including myself will use the speed reducers when skating. They
are a fast roller ski, and I find that on good surfaces over flat terrain it
can be tough to get a "good" work out as they run so fast that the proper
technique would be to glide in a tuck.

I would find that compared to other skate roller skis over the same course,
the Aero would have me gliding more than I'd prefer in order to get a good
work out. It may have something to do with me and my skiing ability. I don't
like going 30 mph while v-2 alternating on heavier cloddier skis.

I think that the 125 is a great compromise, unless you really need a ski
that can handle dirt roads. Then the 150 shines, and the speed thing isn't
an issue due to the friction of the road surface which slows them down.

Gary Jacobson
Rosendale, NY


"PBDoyle" wrote in message
om...
Gary.....I'm new to rollerskiing, only a couple of months on them.
Reading the posts here at RSN has certainly helped to flatten the
learning curve. Would you explain a bit more what you mean when you
write about not outrunning the 610s.. "That is I could always do
something besides double pole. Not true of 150s."? It would be a help.
Thanks, Peter
(revyakin) wrote in message
. com...
I am a big Aero fan. After ~3 years on Aeros 150 my answer is YES, the
feeling is more snow-like, and satisfying workouts are easier to get
(in addition, transition to snow is easier), and YES, the type of
terrain and pavement greatly expands safey-wise with the Aeros. I know
most of the people here at RSN like hard-wheel r.s., but... I'll never
switch back to hard wheels.

Now, taking into account the complaints about the 125 mm Aeros, you
should go for the old 150 mm model. I've never had a flat in 3 years,
and 2 years out of 3 were pritty intense.

(Jon) wrote in message
. com...
I'm still on the fence about buying the aero's and one issue I wonder
about is the quality of the workout you get from them. I've found (as
have many others) that it's hard to get a really satisfying workout,
on the flats, with hard wheel rollerskis, even with speed reducers
(and the other resistance thing Jenex had for a while).

Does this change with aero's if the wheels are set to "squishy."
(Based on a theory that squishy pneumatic tirer more closely duplicate
the complicated resistive forces you get in snow skiing.) On another
front, does the increased safety make such a difference that people
find they get significantly better workouts?

thanks in advance, Jon

Dear Gary: Thanks, that was exactly what I wanted to know. Regards, Peter


"Gary Jacobson" wrote in message . ..
I was talking about speed. While the 150 skis have speed reducers, they are
suppose to not be used for skating, but only for downhills and double
poling.
Some people including myself will use the speed reducers when skating. They
are a fast roller ski, and I find that on good surfaces over flat terrain it
can be tough to get a "good" work out as they run so fast that the proper
technique would be to glide in a tuck.

I would find that compared to other skate roller skis over the same course,
the Aero would have me gliding more than I'd prefer in order to get a good
work out. It may have something to do with me and my skiing ability. I don't
like going 30 mph while v-2 alternating on heavier cloddier skis.

I think that the 125 is a great compromise, unless you really need a ski
that can handle dirt roads. Then the 150 shines, and the speed thing isn't
an issue due to the friction of the road surface which slows them down.

Gary Jacobson
Rosendale, NY


"PBDoyle" wrote in message
om...
Gary.....I'm new to rollerskiing, only a couple of months on them.
Reading the posts here at RSN has certainly helped to flatten the
learning curve. Would you explain a bit more what you mean when you
write about not outrunning the 610s.. "That is I could always do
something besides double pole. Not true of 150s."? It would be a help.
Thanks, Peter
(revyakin) wrote in message
. com...
I am a big Aero fan. After ~3 years on Aeros 150 my answer is YES, the
feeling is more snow-like, and satisfying workouts are easier to get
(in addition, transition to snow is easier), and YES, the type of
terrain and pavement greatly expands safey-wise with the Aeros. I know
most of the people here at RSN like hard-wheel r.s., but... I'll never
switch back to hard wheels.

Now, taking into account the complaints about the 125 mm Aeros, you
should go for the old 150 mm model. I've never had a flat in 3 years,
and 2 years out of 3 were pritty intense.

(Jon) wrote in message
. com...
I'm still on the fence about buying the aero's and one issue I wonder
about is the quality of the workout you get from them. I've found (as
have many others) that it's hard to get a really satisfying workout,
on the flats, with hard wheel rollerskis, even with speed reducers
(and the other resistance thing Jenex had for a while).

Does this change with aero's if the wheels are set to "squishy."
(Based on a theory that squishy pneumatic tirer more closely duplicate
the complicated resistive forces you get in snow skiing.) On another
front, does the increased safety make such a difference that people
find they get significantly better workouts?

thanks in advance, Jon

As a reference point, I'm a 3:15- 3:45, 50 km middle of the pack skater,
and feel very comfortable on roller skis. Also I was talking about 150s on
smooth pavement with slight downhills. Too fast for me on the slight
downhills. Sort of like really fast snow.

It is often true that skiers new to roller skiing find the speed of slightly
faster than snow speed roller skis (like Jenex wide tire 850) too fast, as
they are not coordinated enough to use them properly. This is not what I was
talking about.

Many good skiers new to roller skiing learn to feel comfortable rather
quickly, and a ski like the 850 is mastered. The 150 is even faster.

I now have one pair of skate roller skis and both Jenex 150 and 125 wheels
and speed reducers that I can use. Rarely do I mount the150 wheels.
The 125 is, as I said a good compromise for my purposes.

Gary Jacobson
Rosendale, NY

"PBDoyle" wrote in message
om...
Dear Gary: Thanks, that was exactly what I wanted to know. Regards, Peter


"Gary Jacobson" wrote in message
. ..
I was talking about speed. While the 150 skis have speed reducers, they
are
suppose to not be used for skating, but only for downhills and double
poling.
Some people including myself will use the speed reducers when skating.
They
are a fast roller ski, and I find that on good surfaces over flat
terrain it
can be tough to get a "good" work out as they run so fast that the
proper
technique would be to glide in a tuck.

I would find that compared to other skate roller skis over the same
course,
the Aero would have me gliding more than I'd prefer in order to get a
good
work out. It may have something to do with me and my skiing ability. I
don't
like going 30 mph while v-2 alternating on heavier cloddier skis.

I think that the 125 is a great compromise, unless you really need a ski
that can handle dirt roads. Then the 150 shines, and the speed thing
isn't
an issue due to the friction of the road surface which slows them down.

Gary Jacobson
Rosendale, NY


"PBDoyle" wrote in message
om...
Gary.....I'm new to rollerskiing, only a couple of months on them.
Reading the posts here at RSN has certainly helped to flatten the
learning curve. Would you explain a bit more what you mean when you
write about not outrunning the 610s.. "That is I could always do
something besides double pole. Not true of 150s."? It would be a help.
Thanks, Peter
(revyakin) wrote in message
. com...
I am a big Aero fan. After ~3 years on Aeros 150 my answer is YES,
the
feeling is more snow-like, and satisfying workouts are easier to get
(in addition, transition to snow is easier), and YES, the type of
terrain and pavement greatly expands safey-wise with the Aeros. I
know
most of the people here at RSN like hard-wheel r.s., but... I'll
never
switch back to hard wheels.

Now, taking into account the complaints about the 125 mm Aeros, you
should go for the old 150 mm model. I've never had a flat in 3
years,
and 2 years out of 3 were pritty intense.

(Jon) wrote in message
. com...
I'm still on the fence about buying the aero's and one issue I
wonder
about is the quality of the workout you get from them. I've found
(as
have many others) that it's hard to get a really satisfying
workout,
on the flats, with hard wheel rollerskis, even with speed reducers
(and the other resistance thing Jenex had for a while).

Does this change with aero's if the wheels are set to "squishy."
(Based on a theory that squishy pneumatic tirer more closely
duplicate
the complicated resistive forces you get in snow skiing.) On
another
front, does the increased safety make such a difference that
people
find they get significantly better workouts?

thanks in advance, Jon

"Gary Jacobson" wrote in message . ..

I say that Marwe 610's are more like blue wax snow speed

That's exactly how I describe the speed of the Marwe 610s, like a 25F
day on Rex Blue in a perfectly groomed track. The kind of conditions
we all aspire to unless we're the FrontRunner...

Jenx 830's are quite slow, and the 850 are maybe faster than Marwe
610s.

I think the 850 is the model faster than the Marwe 610 and Elpex F-1.
Otherwise, the standard V-2 models with the carbonic wheels are
probably slower.


I never had a hard time getting a workout on Marwe 610's on flats. Pavement
quality impacts speed quite a bit I think with skate roller skis. I never
"out ran" the 610's.

Chipseal really slows down the Marwes.

As the Beecharmer said, we are lucky to have such good rollerski/bike
trails around here in the Twin Towns.

Jay Tegeder
"Keep training, lycra never lies!" JT

Jay,

The worst part of my glee at slow conditions is that at the clinic we had
with John Aalberg here in Michigan, I mentioned my better performances in
slow conditions and he said "I can see that with your technique". I don't
think he was complimenting me either.

The FrontRunner
extension, extension, extension



"Jay Tegeder" wrote in message
om...
"Gary Jacobson" wrote in message
. ..

I say that Marwe 610's are more like blue wax snow speed

That's exactly how I describe the speed of the Marwe 610s, like a 25F
day on Rex Blue in a perfectly groomed track. The kind of conditions
we all aspire to unless we're the FrontRunner...

Jenx 830's are quite slow, and the 850 are maybe faster than Marwe
610s.

I think the 850 is the model faster than the Marwe 610 and Elpex F-1.
Otherwise, the standard V-2 models with the carbonic wheels are
probably slower.


I never had a hard time getting a workout on Marwe 610's on flats.
Pavement
quality impacts speed quite a bit I think with skate roller skis. I
never
"out ran" the 610's.

Chipseal really slows down the Marwes.

As the Beecharmer said, we are lucky to have such good rollerski/bike
trails around here in the Twin Towns.

Jay Tegeder
"Keep training, lycra never lies!" JT