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Combi ski recommendation?
Hi guys, Just wondering if anyone could give me some thoughts on combi-type skis? I'm contemplating buying pure skates, but will probably get a little more use out of skis which skate well but have some grip pattern on the base for the occasional classic run (on groomed trails). Does the patterned base significantly adversely affect the skate performance? Which skis, from the current crop of Atomics & Fischers, would be the best/better option? A local store has some Fischer RCR Crowns in stock which seem to have the same sidecut as their RCS Skates but with a pretty hefty grip pattern and what seems to be a stiffer camber... ? They also have some (?old) Fischer SC Combi's for about 2/3 the price. Finally, would anyone consider skating on a pair of Atomic Beta-RC-9's to be a reasonable thing to do?? =) Any thoughts? Cheers, Chris |
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Hi Chris,
"Chris Cole" wrote in message ... Hi guys, Just wondering if anyone could give me some thoughts on combi-type skis? There are combi boots, but a skate/crown ski is an oxymoron. [snip] Does the patterned base significantly adversely affect the skate performance? yes. The pattern will pretty much kill the skate glide. Remember: the key to skating is gliding on one ski. A crown (patterned) classic ski wil stop dead in the snow when you put all your weight on one ski. No good. [snip] Finally, would anyone consider skating on a pair of Atomic Beta-RC-9's to be a reasonable thing to do?? =) Assuming the betas are waxable (no pattern) then yes - I've skated on my RC9s and they work OK. (note to self: always test the grip wax *before* going 3k down hill from the lodge :-) Bob cloudy in San Jose, right now. Is it going to snow soon? |
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In article , Bob wrote: Hi Chris, "Chris Cole" wrote in message ... Hi guys, Just wondering if anyone could give me some thoughts on combi-type skis? There are combi boots, but a skate/crown ski is an oxymoron. _ They've been made at least once. I have a pair in my garage ( fischer Revolution [1]?). If you aren't that interested in going fast they do work. Does the patterned base significantly adversely affect the skate performance? yes. The pattern will pretty much kill the skate glide. Remember: the key to skating is gliding on one ski. A crown (patterned) classic ski wil stop dead in the snow when you put all your weight on one ski. No good. _ This is a pretty wild exageration. Even the grippest no wax base has enough glide to skate on flat ground and if you prepare them properly you can get fairly reasonable glide out of most no wax skis. You won't win any races, skating uphill is probably not realistic, but you can cover ground. _ However, I don't know of any ski currently made that will generally be anything but a terrible compromise. If you get it short enough to skate it will be terrible at kick'n'glide and if you get it long enough for good striding, it will be very awkward to skate on. For most nowax skis, skating is a handy technique to have in your back pocket when the conditions and terrain are just right, but in general they don't work all that well. _ Booker C. Bense [1]- Exact model name escapes me at the moment. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBQveZ52TWTAjn5N/lAQFlOgP+Ii5w64u6ZrMqpt47fjYIllv5BPEEFOWM x0VhiYqLrTkU1yJsgj4Vnj9VMcT1jp2ke+jXlpQU2jECV6a35T bi2Lh9wBdnltzT T7PzxfD81f2+KlxLx3YhppPI5fEpinGH/0CLRVzvu+8xJB4ncZkbWIlEEoc3Iw4b wDUL3trbwSY= =6Cef -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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[snipped: why you don't want to skate on pattern-based skis]
Thanks for the input, guys. I've resigned myself to buying some dedicated skates and plonking some SNS-Pilot bindings & boots on them, and hauling two pairs of skis to the mountains if I'm not sure what I want to be doing for the day. Cheers, Chris |
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Re boots, make sure of the fit. My feet have outgrown the Salomon
last's width and am about to try Hartjes. Re skis, also make sure of the fit. Gene Chris Cole wrote: [snipped: why you don't want to skate on pattern-based skis] Thanks for the input, guys. I've resigned myself to buying some dedicated skates and plonking some SNS-Pilot bindings & boots on them, and hauling two pairs of skis to the mountains if I'm not sure what I want to be doing for the day. Cheers, Chris |
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Gene,
Follow up on your changing to Hartjes skate boots. I decided to go with Salomon Pilot Equipes instead of the Hartjes that NordicSkater carries. Jaime told me that the Hartjes are just as good as Salomon, cost less, and have more room in the forefoot. It was a difficult choice, and my decision was based more on the proven technology of the Equipes. I wear a wide shoe. I came back from a rollerski session yesterday and my toes were cramping. Took off my boots and started howling because I evidently overtighted both the laces and the collar on both feet. Let me know what you think of the Hartjes. |
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I promised Jamie to write a review if they turn out well. He's sending
both the 2003 and 2005 skate models, since the last got a little narrower but is still supposedly wider than the Salomons. I'll be looking at the classics later and am currently wearing the Salomon Combi around the house to see if I can break it in. One apparent downside to the Hartjes skate is the two-strap closure that can be seen in the photos. I find the lace closure needs adjusting after awhile and having two straps, plus the cover, makes it more cumbersome to pull off quickly. Another possible downside is the taller collar, which might inhibit forward motion. During a discussion about classic boot flex - I don't like the Salomon's - Jamie pointed out something I hadn't noticed: all the Salomons have a two-piece sole, while the Hartjes are one piece. He claims that gives a more uniform and controlled feel. To be continued. If by Pilot Equipe you mean the Race 9 Skate, I'm not sure whether the current last is actually a bit narrower than the original bumblebees, the synthetic material is less pliable, or my foot has just spread out too far for them. All I know is after several days of boot stretching, the outside bunion on one foot gets really painful after about 1.5 hrs, even with a moleskin pad. But that's been the story for me with most shoes for decades. Gene nordvind wrote: Gene, Follow up on your changing to Hartjes skate boots. I decided to go with Salomon Pilot Equipes instead of the Hartjes that NordicSkater carries. Jaime told me that the Hartjes are just as good as Salomon, cost less, and have more room in the forefoot. It was a difficult choice, and my decision was based more on the proven technology of the Equipes. I wear a wide shoe. I came back from a rollerski session yesterday and my toes were cramping. Took off my boots and started howling because I evidently overtighted both the laces and the collar on both feet. Let me know what you think of the Hartjes. |
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I learned how to skate using classic skis and classic boots. So skating
on classic skis is doable. Not the other way around (i.e. no classic on skating skis). Just get short classic skis (say, 20 cm shorer than recommended). Will have to play with the flex. But get skating (long) poles though. Bob, I am ready for snow, too. I am moving to SanFran in Sept, will save myself 45 min each way. |
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Ah, should've read this one b4 posting. Wise choice, Chris.
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smart choice Chris --- smart one. Get one of each
we have done our time skating on classic skis but once you get the fealing of skating on real skating equipment there is no way back. If beginner choose some wider skate skis with simple carved form, narrow in midle and wider at front and end. And not that Fischer "skatecut" which I predict will go out of production within a few year, maybe 3? There is one special place where many good skiers skate on classic skis: Sesilami ski marathon. The last 10km of 52 is freestyle and the first 42 is classic only. The profile is over a long mountain so these last 10k are flat or slight downhill and many people do skate here. Not the best feeling to skate on long classics and short poles ... |
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