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Inliner speed vs. Rollerski speed
I'm not getting how initiating from a deeper knee bend is related to weight
transfer. Or what could be hard about weight transfer in skating. Bob Creasote wrote I have also found that [deeper knee bend] makes the weight transfer thing a little harder too. During the leg-push, the other non-pushing ski is up in the air, so all your weight must be on the pushing ski. At the end of the leg-push, you just land the other ski down on the snow, and the old push ski naturally goes up into the air. So all your weight must now be on the other ski. So all your weight has been fully transferred. There's no other way natural way to do it in skating. Unlike classic diagonal stride, it's actually rather difficult _not_ to transfer your weight fully in skating. Ken |
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Inliner speed vs. Roller ski speed
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In article , Serge wrote: I am here in the Bay Area. I was exaggerating about 3 months, but 6 is unusual luxury too. Remember Royal Gorge 50k in the rain? Was it February? _ Huh? I ski Nov - May pretty much every year and sometimes June and July. True the groomed stuff closes early and for some strange reason the XC areas close before the alpine ones, but that has more to do with business than snow. The racing season may only be 3 months, but the XC skiing one is at least 6. _ If you're not skiing in March and April you're missing the best of the season. _ Booker C. Bense -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBP10FcWTWTAjn5N/lAQH68QP9Fx8aQvQ5xJ4XagBJj8Lp3HOaSNLoHvGG JiPBhdIcxYC5Ao6fPntHQAcpMZm+GejmH+CGRelbFuKN3NkJpL Z6FFCTCfXp2Ybq 0EMkKFTJNGTSIpMskqzaAEhfghkcaWoZ8ZTz0VEX16clMkInJ8 IF1TdOvv3O9Sqi RhAbmb6Leso= =Dj3A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Inliner speed vs. Rollerski speed
Ken,
Probably 90% or more of the people I see skiing around do not have complete weight transfer in skating, so I disagree with your assessment that it is hard not to get weight transfer. Weight transfer in skating doesn't not necessarily refer to just "being on one ski", but to the complete movement of the center of gravity over the ski. Most people have a really hard time getting all the way over each ski due to balance and timing issues. Even though you are only standing on one ski, that does not mean you have complete weight transfer. That's what's difficult about weight transfer in skating. The correct position is also the least stable. Not many people can balance on one ski while standing still, let alone while the ski is gliding. As an example, watch a video of an intermediate skier taken from directly in front or behind, and if you drop a plumb line from the skier's center of mass you will generally see it swing slightly from the middle, but it will never move over the ski. The skier is forced to fall off of that leg by gravity and has no choice about when to push off. A skier with proper weight transfer, however, will have the plumb line move to the leg, showing that they have fully transferred weight and are "on top of" the ski. From this position the skier can initiate the push off when they choose, as they are not forced by gravity to move to the other ski. Hope that makes sense. -Nathan http://nsavage.com "Ken Roberts" wrote in message ... I'm not getting how initiating from a deeper knee bend is related to weight transfer. Or what could be hard about weight transfer in skating. Bob Creasote wrote I have also found that [deeper knee bend] makes the weight transfer thing a little harder too. During the leg-push, the other non-pushing ski is up in the air, so all your weight must be on the pushing ski. At the end of the leg-push, you just land the other ski down on the snow, and the old push ski naturally goes up into the air. So all your weight must now be on the other ski. So all your weight has been fully transferred. There's no other way natural way to do it in skating. Unlike classic diagonal stride, it's actually rather difficult _not_ to transfer your weight fully in skating. Ken |
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Inliner speed vs. Rollerski speed
Nathan -
There is a advanced way of skating called Double Push (orDP). You will be curious to find out mechanics of it. Use search engine and find info and MPG's. May be it is a good example to show skiers that center of gravity can be outside of gliding skate without falling sideways. DP is the only way I skate, but explaining mechanics is even more difficult. |
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Inliner speed vs. Rollerski speed
"Taywood" wrote in message ... snip You make it sound so do-able. Cant wait for your book to come out. Mike That's because it IS so do-able. I hope that a book will help, but a good coach can help people achieve this in ten minutes. Reading a thousand good books on the subject might not be good enough to get the point across. My point? Read books to learn the fundamentals of technique, but by far the fastest and best way to improve technique is to attend some good clinics and/or work with a few coaches. I'm not saying this for self-promotion, but just sharing my experience. Technique is too complicated to "get" while just reading a book and looking at pictures. You need someone to watch and analyze your skiing, then tell you what to do and demonstrate several different exercises to achieve it. They need to tell you when you're doing it right and when you're doing it wrong and show you how to correct it. I recently did a camp down in Argentina where I coached two athletes for 9 days. At the end of the camp, we looked at the daily video we had taken over the entire trip. It was shocking to see the progression in technique. My skiers were laughing at the video of themselves taken from the first few days and were surprised to see the differences. While they still have more to learn, they could not have achieved this in 9 years of reading books and working on their own. -Nathan http://nsavage.com |
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Weight transfer (was Inliner speed vs. Rollerski speed)
Ken,
Yup, you've got it. Higher turnover often comes at the expense of weight transfer. You will notice, though, that most elite skiers are transferring their weight much more than the average Joe. They are not completely transferring their weight, but they are able to hold a flat ski, even while not necessarily over it. For most people, though, this is a long, long way down the road and being able to control the weight transfer is the biggest way they can improve. -Nathan http://nsavage.com "Ken Roberts" wrote in message ... Nathan's explanation of complete weight transfer in skating helps a lot -- both what it is _and_ why it is important. I like his point that the ability to balance over the gliding ski gives the skater a _choice_ about when to start the next stroke, rather than just falling across onto the other ski. Given the number of intermediate skaters who do not have that choice, I can see why the point is so important. Question: What's the difference between "complete weight transfer" and "momentarily passing thru the Nose-Knees-Toes vertical alignment position". Observation: From looking at several videos from JanneG's website, it looks like some World Cup racers are exercising a different choice: A choice _not_ to completely transfer their weight to over the gliding ski. They are fully capable of it, but sometimes they choose not to. (in order to increase turnover frequency?) I'm thinking that there's another stage of technique after the attainment of complete weight transfer: Learning to use it as one tool among others. Ken |
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