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Garmont Dynamite boots
I have a pair of these that I want to try and stiffen up a bit. I know I
can put a stiffer tongue in, but I keep getting conflicting reports as to what the best tongue to use is. Any advice? Or any other methods of getting a bit more stiffness out of your boots? -s- |
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In article rRmud.18000$Ya4.1471@edtnps84, Simon Isbister wrote: I have a pair of these that I want to try and stiffen up a bit. _ Unless your ankle is fused like Louis Dawson[1], I would encourage you not to do this. Or at least to try a few trips in the BC before you do. Stiff toungue boots are a crutch to learning to flex your ankles and power through your heels to turn the ski. Backcountry snow is different and IMHO, learning to flex your ankles, rather than power through your shins is key to learning to deal with it. Generally resort skiing is far more consistant that BC skiing will ever be and unless you can flex fore/aft you will have a hard time adapting. _ Stiff tongues are great for skiing hardpack, but the whole point of BC skiing is to not ski hardpack. ( Even when it's icy it's not hardpack... ) I know I can put a stiffer tongue in, but I keep getting conflicting reports as to what the best tongue to use is. Any advice? Or any other methods of getting a bit more stiffness out of your boots? _ Just don't. Really, it may suck in the short run, but learning to ski effectively with softer boots will pay off in the long term. Learn to ski two footed and to power the skis through your heels. You'll be able to do more with less gear. _ Booker C. Bense [1]- www.wildsnow.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBQbzV5mTWTAjn5N/lAQEv3gP7BYdS5vwby9SRD5o6ny4ycstwlLrvGlal Rg23k3xRElrs55eRquU7Ng3/1+pkMRcGXGroTgJzrbs+erLoxt7rQ6yHDwkzBd8q FzJvivJij8HhTn33B3OUT0fUDIADAWwCckvd8GzfZO+EIzHTFW KnGdshas9fPtj4 wvbQOaCWKFI= =1Kfq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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I don't know anything about Trab skis, and although I know a lot about
Dynafit bindings, Lou Dawson knows far more (and reveals all his secrets at his Wild Snow website). As for the Garmont Dynamite, they are significantly softer than the current Garmont G-Ride and my discontinued but modified Garmont GSM. This seemed to result from the significantly lower cuff height, or at least that was my perception when I tried them in the store. I would much rather have the extra few ounces of the taller G-Ride (or Dynafit-compatible Mega Ride). Yes I can ski just fine in a softer boot (and did for a season in a modified Rossignol Raid), but unless I'm gaining something in exchange like the ultralight Dynafit TLT Race, why put up with that tradeoff? Anyway, a Raichle Flexon tongue works well in Scarpa Laser/Magic/Matrix boots (and my old Garmont GSM), but could require lots of work to make it fit in a current Garmont boot b/c of the buckles. A San Marco AXE/AXR tongue would also work well - I just picked one up on eBay, so you might work to periodically look for them. Other from old alpine downhill boots with floating tongues designs might also work. Another trick is to wrap the original velcro power strap over the gfit liner but underneath the shell tongue, then put this (get the version with the plastic buckle, since the metal version is very heavy): http://www.bootfitters.com/booster.htm ....around the outside of the shell tongue. And if you want to get really carried away: http://www.jshefftz.photosite.com/gsm/ With all these mods, my at boots are way less stiff than my resort boots, which is exactly what I want. But I still want them to be stiffer than stock AT boots, hence the mods. And the Dynamite is starting out as a relatively soft boot by current AT standards. |
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In article . com, wrote: As for the Garmont Dynamite, they are significantly softer than the current Garmont G-Ride and my discontinued but modified Garmont GSM. This seemed to result from the significantly lower cuff height, or at least that was my perception when I tried them in the store. I would much rather have the extra few ounces of the taller G-Ride (or Dynafit-compatible Mega Ride). Yes I can ski just fine in a softer boot (and did for a season in a modified Rossignol Raid), but unless I'm gaining something in exchange like the ultralight Dynafit TLT Race, why put up with that tradeoff? _ There are no free lunches. There is always a trade off for making boots stiffer. Sometimes it's worth it. [ mods snipped ] With all these mods, my at boots are way less stiff than my resort boots, which is exactly what I want. But I still want them to be stiffer than stock AT boots, hence the mods. And the Dynamite is starting out as a relatively soft boot by current AT standards. _ Since I own a pair of T-Races, I should probably be the last person to talk about too stiff boots, but I think for somebody just getting into BC skiing would benefit from adapting their technique rather than their gear to start with. If you're coming from a resort skiing background, you often get freaked out by the softness of AT boots. "There's no way I can turn with these boots." _ I think it's worth it to at least try, since mastering that will improve your technique in all kinds of skiing. After a few trips[1] if you still want stiffer boots go for it. _ Booker C. Bense [1]- Resort skiing doesn't count. Or at least get well away from groomed or tracked out slopes. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBQb8IwGTWTAjn5N/lAQE9nQP/ZYsJZGfbYOlwj7xLsOtMzi3YCDpR0vdL sAFiP78w/iyG9JE948diVFDZYB9X/RgFhL+IMZpJ4TO2mo7Ld78bqoTdcUfrwRY/ MYErwBJSmdGUl0Gd3+ZAVwCoggISe6GCvP/IROSzOJoW5UjXMFlmrPmtQvte2Sjj cdUeyRn41G4= =ZVzs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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_ Since I own a pair of T-Races, I should probably be the last
person to talk about too stiff boots, but I think for somebody just getting into BC skiing would benefit from adapting their technique rather than their gear to start with. If you're coming from a resort skiing background, you often get freaked out by the softness of AT boots. Yeah, thats been a bit of an issue, but my first BC skiing was with leather mountaineering boots, so the softness of proper AT boots is nothing compared to that. There has been lots of good advice here, and for my other questions. I'll let you all know what I go with, and how it all goes. thanks! -s- |
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In article yFbwd.82166$6f6.3846@edtnps89, Simon Isbister wrote: _ Since I own a pair of T-Races, I should probably be the last person to talk about too stiff boots, but I think for somebody just getting into BC skiing would benefit from adapting their technique rather than their gear to start with. If you're coming from a resort skiing background, you often get freaked out by the softness of AT boots. Yeah, thats been a bit of an issue, but my first BC skiing was with leather mountaineering boots, so the softness of proper AT boots is nothing compared to that. There has been lots of good advice here, and for my other questions. I'll let you all know what I go with, and how it all goes. _ That's a huge difference. I think about two kinds of stiffness in looking at boots. Fore and aft ( in the direction of the skis) and Lateral ( across the ski ) and IMHO I'm willing to put up with a lot of fore and aft softness, because with good technique you can adapt, and it makes all the climbing and futzing around that constitutes 90 percent of BC skiing much easier. However, lateral stiffness is a must. That's the big difference between the softest AT boots and mountaineering boots. _ Booker C. Bense -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBQcGyPmTWTAjn5N/lAQEKogP+J4EKwxM9sGCaa6zYezgj32aWuUA7rRjk C7gIFyFg8k1CLyEODPvku9BcR8RbBZK6T6k8aLv44SX4QG2g3t 3EC8ThWF+sjKGI Je8757/e+gXb+y//IgfL1BfH4DvfsHNloAZsgHqfjiMJmScTJ4En5Q9kRYTZmqny 31J2r1lNsh8= =vubV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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