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You'll never believe how Schattie describes himself!!
On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 2:45:57 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2015-04-04 03:17:09 +0000, Dave Stallard said: On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 1:10:16 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote: Until http "came along" there was no world wide web. The World Wide Web was created by http and html. That is correct. Though of course the Internet itself did exist before then, and there were other protocols that ran on top of it, such as FTP, Gopher (whatever that was), SMTP (email), and NNTP (Usenet). Dave Of course, Dave. I happened to be at the University of Waterloo in the years that the Internet was coming into being . I was actually friends with the guy who made the suggestion that the "@" sign should serve to separate user name from domain in email addresses. :-) Are you sure? Was his name Ray? I know who he was; used to work in the same company. He would have been a lot older than you. Dave |
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You'll never believe how Schattie describes himself!!
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 17:00:12 -0700, The Real Bev
wrote this crap: On 04/04/2015 03:22 PM, wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 22:38:08 +0200, BrritSki wrote this crap: On 04/04/2015 18:48, The Real Bev wrote: I wrote FORTRAN on punch cards too, big deal. I used to write COBOL on punched cards too. We laughed at COBOL back then. Somewhere I have a button that says "We can wipe out COBOL in our lifetime." I hit that button. Turnround from punch room was always at least a day We were more modern. Turnaround time was about four hours. Much less if you hung around and chatted with the operator. Over here it was an ugly chick. This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe |
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You'll never believe how Schattie describes himself!!
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 16:55:11 -0700, The Real Bev
wrote this crap: On 04/04/2015 02:26 PM, lal_truckee wrote: On 4/4/15 1:38 PM, BrritSki wrote: I didn't put sequence numbers in cols 73-80. I only dropped a full 2000 card box once..... The first thing you learn is to diagonally ink mark the cards for a visual indicator of order. :-) I still have, in my collection of useless souvenirs of an illustrious life, a box of punch cards containing a Pascal Compiler for a 360 (IIRC) received from Klaus Wirth's very own hands. Useless, as I said, but I spent many a workweek petting and massaging boxes of such cards. I figure keeping them is like having a fondly remembered pet dog stuffed in the corner of the den. If you put a C (or something else, maybe) in hole nn you could flip the card around and make it a comment card. Useful for testing. Punch cards were a step up from paper tape. I calculated and provided Vandenberg Titan launch parameters on paper tape in my first real job. Doesn't seem like the Titan long time mainstay launch vehicle would be that old. In the garage we have at least 6 cases (not boxes, cases) of cards on which Allen wrote his data analysis program over one Thanksgiving weekend in the late 1970s. It was ultimately rewritten in C and he's been refining it ever since. Why would you save punchcards? The only reason is to burn them in your fireplace for cooking abalt solona. This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe |
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You'll never believe how Schattie describes himself!!
On 4/4/15 5:00 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
Somewhere I have a button that says "We can wipe out COBOL in our lifetime." COBOL has a life span analogous to the time required to engineer and build a successful Fusion Reactor. That is, at least 20 years from "now" for all values of "now." |
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You'll never believe how Schattie describes himself!!
On 2015-04-04 22:18:22 +0000, said:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 09:48:42 -0700, The Real Bev wrote this crap: On 04/03/2015 06:17 PM, wrote: You're the only person I know that has her birth certificate on clay tablets. You're so old that you have an autographed copy of the Bible. You're so old that when God said, "Let there be light," you said, "About damn time." Again, :-) Life was a lot simpler then. I was on usenet in the mid 70's. Life sucked back then. I had to write programs on punch cards. there was only one IBM360 in the whole city. Today, my cable remote has more computing ability. I wrote FORTRAN on punch cards too, big deal. Univac 1108 at JPL. I think they got rid of their card reading/writing stuff only within the last decade. Decade? It was in the 70's when the last card reader was gone. As usual, you aren't even close to correct. That was almost 50 years ago. You DO have your birth certificate written on clay tablets. This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe |
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You'll never believe how Schattie describes himself!!
On 2015-04-04 22:35:59 +0000, said:
On Sat, 4 Apr 2015 10:18:24 -0700, Alan Baker wrote this crap: On 2015-04-04 11:44:03 +0000, said: On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 23:36:40 -0700, Alan Baker wrote this crap: On 2015-04-04 01:20:57 +0000, said: On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 10:10:16 -0700, Alan Baker wrote this crap: On 2015-04-03 08:38:28 +0000, said: On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 18:00:22 -0700 (PDT), Eviel Dewar wrote this crap: Usenet predated the WWW by over a decade. True story. I remember when the www was only text. Before http came along. Usenet was already old. Until http "came along" there was no world wide web. The World Wide Web was created by http and html. Wrong again, baker. I still have the books that show you how to get around by telnet. If you had to get around by telnet, then it wasn't the World Wide Web. Yes it was. Nope. The www was started in Cern. Yes, that much is correct. That you used telnet to access any part of the World Wide Web is nonsense. This post be Tim Berners-Lee marks the very beginning of the Web, and it starts with the hypertext transfer protocol. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.hypertext/eCTkkOoWTAY/bJGhZyooXzkJ Before HTTP, there was no World Wide Web. Period. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. The internet was created before the Web Correct. and the WWW was created before HTTP. Incorrect. I used to know the exact location of the seven root servers. But that's not important now. The "seven root servers" refers to DNS. This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe |
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On 2015-04-05 01:41:49 +0000, Dave Stallard said:
On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 2:45:57 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote: On 2015-04-04 03:17:09 +0000, Dave Stallard said: On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 1:10:16 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote: Until http "came along" there was no world wide web. The World Wide Web was created by http and html. That is correct. Though of course the Internet itself did exist before then, and there were other protocols that ran on top of it, such as FTP, Gopher (whatever that was), SMTP (email), and NNTP (Usenet). Dave Of course, Dave. I happened to be at the University of Waterloo in the years that the Internet was coming into being . I was actually friends with the guy who made the suggestion that the "@" sign should serve to separate user name from domain in email addresses. :-) Are you sure? Was his name Ray? I know who he was; used to work in the same company. He would have been a lot older than you. Dave His name was Brad Templeton. |
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You'll never believe how Schattie describes himself!!
On 04/04/2015 23:26, lal_truckee wrote:
On 4/4/15 1:38 PM, BrritSki wrote: I didn't put sequence numbers in cols 73-80. I only dropped a full 2000 card box once..... The first thing you learn is to diagonally ink mark the cards for a visual indicator of order. Yes, but only to FIRST order |
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You'll never believe how Schattie describes himself!!
On 05/04/2015 02:00, The Real Bev wrote:
On 04/04/2015 03:22 PM, wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 22:38:08 +0200, BrritSki wrote this crap: On 04/04/2015 18:48, The Real Bev wrote Turnround from punch room was always at least a day We were more modern. Turnaround time was about four hours. Much less if you hung around and chatted with the operator. True, but I saved far more time on the actual code-writing in script rather than programming forms. |
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