Flat-Boarding II

yunlong wrote:
VtSkier wrote:

yunlong wrote:

Now there's even simpler/easier way to ski:

From "Flat-Boarding" we've learned that "On two skis, when they are
held parallel and equally weighed, they will run straight. If one

ski

is weighed more than the other ski, they will turn (changing

direction)

to the weighed-ski side if the turning balance is maintained." To

weigh

on the ski is the "cross-over," one of the most difficult concept

and

technique to comprehend and to achieve in high-level downhill

skiing,

where the conventional (pole-planting) parallel skiing techniques
employ four distinct steps (1. pole-plant, 2. unweigh, 3. change
direction, and 4. traverse) to achieve it.

The new way? Bleed the speed of the inside ski by slipping the
"outside" edge of the inside ski (which would scrape the snow

downward

a bit thus slow down the ski),

"Outside" relative to what. I think you mean outside relative to your


body. If you meant the outside of the inside ski relative to the turn


you would be in a heap of trouble. Follow me here. If you are turning


left, then the left ski would be the "inside" ski of the turn. Foot,
back me up here.


Yes, the "inside" ski is determined in relation to the turn.

So far so good

the outside edge of this ski, then, is the big toe edge
of that ski. Still with me?

The outside edge of the inside ski, relative to the turn, is the big toe
side of the ski. Period. You can't say it any other way.

No, The "outside" edge of a ski is "always" on the little toe side.
(How do you determine "outside" and "inside" in relation to your
"outer" body appearance?)

Only if you change your reference. The little toe side of the inside ski
is the inside edge relative to the turn. You can't say it any other way.
The little toe edge can only be the outside edge if your reference is
the body, not the turn.

In the old days we always turned on the inside edge. Even though we
mostly turned on the inside edge of the outside ski. The inside edge was
considered so important that ski area bars were named for it. Nowadays
we weight both skis. We are turning on the indside edges of both skis
relative to the turn. I can turn just fine to the left pressuring the
big toes side of the my right ski and the little toe side of my left
ski. The skis turn just fine if I do this and it usually matters little
which ski has the most weight. That little toe edge of the inside ski
(relative to the turn) is the inside edge (relative to the turn). There
is no other way to say it.

In the old days again, if you were on an outside edge you had "caught an
edge" and would presumably contact the snow rather firmly in quite a
short period of time.

I do know what your are talking about. You just are changing your point
of reference in mid-turn (to coin a phrase). If you do that when you are
explaining anything to someone, you will confuse them. Keep your points
of reference always the same. It really doesn't matter what your
reference is as long as your are consistent. If you are teaching
something that maybe you will teach this week and maybe someone else
will teach next week there needs to be internal consistency not only in
what you say but external consistency so that your student will not
become confused by what the NEXT instructor has to say. You can vary
your method from the norm but you must not vary your language from the norm.

This is all I'm trying to say. I'm not arguing with your method, I'm
only suggesting that your language must have internal and external
consistency for your message to be heard. This inconsistency is the
major reason you get ragged on in this newsgroup.

If you try dragging that edge you are in
fact "Catching and Edge" and you will be on the ground presently if

you

continue.


If you "catch the edge" you don't continue but tumble.

The trick is to put the pressure/stand on the "outside" edge of the
"inside" ski; i.e. the force goes to the little toe side. The "inside"
ski is now the "uphill" ski and the little toe side edge is an "uphill"
edge, when you stand on the "uphill" edge there's no "downhill" edge to
catch the snow.


Now, I think you may well have a nifty way to teach skiing. I went
through the early progression in teaching with a PSIA Level 2 friend

of

mine. What he describes is not totally unlike what you describe. The
problem lies, I believe, is in your ability to describe in words to

us

what you are about as illustrated by my first paragraph.


I use "standard English" and common words.

You use standard English and common words yes, but you don't always use
the common meaning for such words. You change the meaning to suit what
you see as your message and in the process cause confusion because you
haven't invented a "jargon" in which you have given meanings up front to
the words you use.

Words, semantics, are the problem.


Only to those who use the words without actual experience.

"Get the meanings, and forget about words."--Chuang-Tzu--

Unfortunately in this newsgroup, all we have are words. If we don't use
them in ways that others understand, there is no understanding.

He also made clear the difference between a
stem christie and a wedge christie, a problem I'd had "getting" in
another thread.


I try not to get hung up on "terminologies."

The understanding was not one of terminology. I was insisting here that
the stem christie and the wedge christie were the same thing. There is a
large difference in emphasis and method both. The wedge christie as
taught under PSIA guidelines won't, in most cases, get someone into what
might be considered a "bad habit" which learning the stem christie
almost always did.

In an earlier work "Tai Chi Skiing" you describe an attitude. A state

of

mind for a skier to be in. My observation and experience is that

MANY

skiers shift themselves into such a state of mind. Watch a slalom

racer,

or more particularly, a competitive bump skier, study the course, ski

it

in his/her mind and get that mind to place that is nowhere else than
right "there".


That is exactly "not" what I was talking about in "Tai Chi Skiing," for
"study the course" implies a "a skier 'here' and a course 'there'"
dualistic environment, or a "partitioned" skier.

So you say. I think we are back to words again. I know what I see and
experience and to me it is what you are describing. Perhaps my words are
at fault this time.

And in Tai Chi Skiing,

"...Tai Chi Skiing rides a line that is in the equilibrium state with
gravity.

Internally, mind makes perception into reality. With mind concentrates
on breathing, breathing drives the body to place the weight which
causes the turns, and as the line of turns matches the rhythm of
gravity, the graceful movements of the body manifests the equilibrium
force of the gravity, and that is being 'one with gravity.' In
'Oneness,' Tai Chi Skiing reaches the realm of Tai Chi. Tai Chi Skiing
is the ultimate free style." What is "free" of dualism is Unism,
Oneness. That's the difference.


Back to your flat boarding. The "old way" that you describe above is
advanced even by the standards of 30 years ago. In fact it is rarely
taught today at all. The equipment of today simply doesn't demand

such a

strong technique. Most people, it seems, get to the strong

intermediate

stage and think "good enough" and never go for the advanced moves

which

will complete their training and allow them to ski everything, all

the time.

Well, I do pursue the excellence to enjoy the higher-level enjoyments.


I suspect that you are an energetic and somewhat charismatic teacher

who

can express the ideas clearly one-on-one to someone else who has a

pair

of skis on his/her feet. When you are explaining, you are also

pointing

and demonstrating and doing. You don't make mistakes like you made

above.

You do need to empty your cup sometime to see the new insight.


When I was teaching, almost 40 years ago now, I didn't dwell on the
technical aspects too much. I stressed fun. I stressed "this works in


this situation". Try this see what it feels like. Then very small

moves

to improve position and balance, usually bringing hands forward or if


the problem was continual, then drills to correct just one problem at

at

time. I didn't talk a lot. I demonstrated, I pointed, I showed.


I teach them the "principle" how to "stand" on the skis from the feet
up.

In my world I never teach. I show, I explain, I mentor and I allow to
learn, I never teach. Eastern philosophy seems to rely heavily on
"principles" which is certainly a way to get something across and
probably works a lot of the time. But it's been shown time and time
again that different people learn differently. My statement at the
beginning of the paragraph is a nod to this. If one person wants to know
the physics of a turn, by all means tell him. If his curiosity runs in
that direction, knowing the physics will help him learn the turn. If
someone just wants to know "what works", then all of the physics
explanations in the world won't help him learn to do the turn.

I suspect that you really *show* them how to be comfortable with some
really pretty strange things on their feet. Yes, after more than 50
years of skiing I'm VERY comfortable on skis. People who see me ski, or
more precisely see me on skis, comment that I look like I was born with
them on my feet. The best thing you can do for a neophyte skier is to
find ways that he/she can be comfortable. With that almost everything
else will follow.

I've made a few smart-ass remark like "come ski with me" etc. poking
fun
at what I thought your technique could do on something steep and
slick.

I do recognize that you are promoting a teaching technique/tool and
that
the advanced skiing that you would teach would be pretty much the way
we
all ski, because that's what works. Actually I'd very much like to
ski
with you sometime.

For sure,

Just for the fun of it because that's what it's all
about.

Yes, though I mostly do terrain park and going straight down on the
"blues" nowadays, I do do the "face" of Heavenly from time to time.

Hmmm, Heavenly, eh? I expect I may be in your neighborhood toward the
end of February for a few days. Interested?

And boi, do we got the snow!

Yeah, I know, my stepdaughter lives there.

IS


VtSkier aka RW

and the other ski, now is "outside" ski,

goes faster, so would push both ski to change the direction, and if

the

same force is maintained, the turning would continue. The

"cross-over"

is now simply to stand/weigh on the inside ski. By maintaining

50/50

balance on both skis, the skis "track" "straight" again.
Fun stuff,
IS

VtSkier wrote:
yunlong wrote:
VtSkier wrote:

yunlong wrote:

Now there's even simpler/easier way to ski:

From "Flat-Boarding" we've learned that "On two skis, when they
are
held parallel and equally weighed, they will run straight. If one

ski

is weighed more than the other ski, they will turn (changing

direction)

to the weighed-ski side if the turning balance is maintained." To

weigh

on the ski is the "cross-over," one of the most difficult concept

and

technique to comprehend and to achieve in high-level downhill

skiing,

where the conventional (pole-planting) parallel skiing techniques
employ four distinct steps (1. pole-plant, 2. unweigh, 3. change
direction, and 4. traverse) to achieve it.

The new way? Bleed the speed of the inside ski by slipping the
"outside" edge of the inside ski (which would scrape the snow

downward

a bit thus slow down the ski),

"Outside" relative to what. I think you mean outside relative to
your


body. If you meant the outside of the inside ski relative to the
turn


you would be in a heap of trouble. Follow me here. If you are
turning


left, then the left ski would be the "inside" ski of the turn.
Foot,
back me up here.


Yes, the "inside" ski is determined in relation to the turn.

So far so good

the outside edge of this ski, then, is the big toe edge
of that ski. Still with me?

The outside edge of the inside ski, relative to the turn, is the big
toe
side of the ski. Period. You can't say it any other way.

How do you identify the "outside" edge of your foot, where the ski is
only an extension [of your foot]?


No, The "outside" edge of a ski is "always" on the little toe side.
(How do you determine "outside" and "inside" in relation to your
"outer" body appearance?)

Only if you change your reference. The little toe side of the inside
ski
is the inside edge relative to the turn. You can't say it any other
way.

How do you identify the "outside" edge of your foot, where the ski is
only an extension [of your foot]?

The little toe edge can only be the outside edge if your reference is

the body, not the turn.

Yes, you use your body to control the ski, so that's how it should be
referenced.


In the old days we always turned on the inside edge. Even though we
mostly turned on the inside edge of the outside ski. The inside edge
was
considered so important that ski area bars were named for it.
Nowadays
we weight both skis. We are turning on the indside edges of both skis

relative to the turn. I can turn just fine to the left pressuring the

big toes side of the my right ski and the little toe side of my left
ski. The skis turn just fine if I do this and it usually matters
little
which ski has the most weight. That little toe edge of the inside ski

(relative to the turn) is the inside edge (relative to the turn).
There
is no other way to say it.

In the old days again, if you were on an outside edge you had "caught
an
edge" and would presumably contact the snow rather firmly in quite a
short period of time.

Get hung up on the terminologies again, eh?


I do know what your are talking about. You just are changing your
point
of reference in mid-turn (to coin a phrase). If you do that when you
are
explaining anything to someone, you will confuse them. Keep your
points
of reference always the same. It really doesn't matter what your
reference is as long as your are consistent. If you are teaching
something that maybe you will teach this week and maybe someone else
will teach next week there needs to be internal consistency not only
in
what you say but external consistency so that your student will not
become confused by what the NEXT instructor has to say. You can vary
your method from the norm but you must not vary your language from
the norm.

I'd explain to them the same way I explain he referencing the body
for ski control, and referencing the outside environment for skis
placement.


This is all I'm trying to say. I'm not arguing with your method, I'm
only suggesting that your language must have internal and external
consistency for your message to be heard. This inconsistency is the
major reason you get ragged on in this newsgroup.

Actually, talk down others to elevate oneself is the norm of the
Usenet, not something a well-disciplined person would do.


If you try dragging that edge you are in
fact "Catching and Edge" and you will be on the ground presently if

you

continue.


If you "catch the edge" you don't continue but tumble.

The trick is to put the pressure/stand on the "outside" edge of the
"inside" ski; i.e. the force goes to the little toe side. The
"inside"
ski is now the "uphill" ski and the little toe side edge is an
"uphill"
edge, when you stand on the "uphill" edge there's no "downhill"
edge to
catch the snow.


Now, I think you may well have a nifty way to teach skiing. I went
through the early progression in teaching with a PSIA Level 2
friend

of

mine. What he describes is not totally unlike what you describe.
The
problem lies, I believe, is in your ability to describe in words to

us

what you are about as illustrated by my first paragraph.


I use "standard English" and common words.

You use standard English and common words yes, but you don't always
use
the common meaning for such words. You change the meaning to suit
what
you see as your message and in the process cause confusion because
you
haven't invented a "jargon" in which you have given meanings up front
to
the words you use.

Guess that depends on how you reference your words.


Words, semantics, are the problem.


Only to those who use the words without actual experience.

"Get the meanings, and forget about words."--Chuang-Tzu--

Unfortunately in this newsgroup, all we have are words. If we don't
use
them in ways that others understand, there is no understanding.

Not sure if they even attempt/try to understand it.


He also made clear the difference between a
stem christie and a wedge christie, a problem I'd had "getting" in
another thread.


I try not to get hung up on "terminologies."

The understanding was not one of terminology. I was insisting here
that
the stem christie and the wedge christie were the same thing. There
is a
large difference in emphasis and method both. The wedge christie as
taught under PSIA guidelines won't, in most cases, get someone into
what
might be considered a "bad habit" which learning the stem christie
almost always did.

As "christie" turn is only a transitional technique between wedge turn
and parallel turn, I don't dwell on either the technique or
ternimology.


In an earlier work "Tai Chi Skiing" you describe an attitude. A
state

of

mind for a skier to be in. My observation and experience is that

MANY

skiers shift themselves into such a state of mind. Watch a slalom

racer,

or more particularly, a competitive bump skier, study the course,
ski

it

in his/her mind and get that mind to place that is nowhere else
than
right "there".


That is exactly "not" what I was talking about in "Tai Chi Skiing,"
for
"study the course" implies a "a skier 'here' and a course 'there'"
dualistic environment, or a "partitioned" skier.

So you say. I think we are back to words again. I know what I see and

experience and to me it is what you are describing. Perhaps my words
are
at fault this time.

It's a different mentality all together.


And in Tai Chi Skiing,

"...Tai Chi Skiing rides a line that is in the equilibrium state
with
gravity.

Internally, mind makes perception into reality. With mind
concentrates
on breathing, breathing drives the body to place the weight which
causes the turns, and as the line of turns matches the rhythm of
gravity, the graceful movements of the body manifests the
equilibrium
force of the gravity, and that is being 'one with gravity.' In
'Oneness,' Tai Chi Skiing reaches the realm of Tai Chi. Tai Chi
Skiing
is the ultimate free style." What is "free" of dualism is Unism,
Oneness. That's the difference.


Back to your flat boarding. The "old way" that you describe above
is
advanced even by the standards of 30 years ago. In fact it is
rarely
taught today at all. The equipment of today simply doesn't demand

such a

strong technique. Most people, it seems, get to the strong

intermediate

stage and think "good enough" and never go for the advanced moves

which

will complete their training and allow them to ski everything, all

the time.

Well, I do pursue the excellence to enjoy the higher-level
enjoyments.


I suspect that you are an energetic and somewhat charismatic
teacher

who

can express the ideas clearly one-on-one to someone else who has a

pair

of skis on his/her feet. When you are explaining, you are also

pointing

and demonstrating and doing. You don't make mistakes like you made

above.

You do need to empty your cup sometime to see the new insight.


When I was teaching, almost 40 years ago now, I didn't dwell on the
technical aspects too much. I stressed fun. I stressed "this works
in


this situation". Try this see what it feels like. Then very small

moves

to improve position and balance, usually bringing hands forward or
if


the problem was continual, then drills to correct just one problem
at

at

time. I didn't talk a lot. I demonstrated, I pointed, I showed.


I teach them the "principle" how to "stand" on the skis from the
feet
up.

In my world I never teach. I show, I explain, I mentor and I allow to

learn, I never teach. Eastern philosophy seems to rely heavily on
"principles" which is certainly a way to get something across and
probably works a lot of the time. But it's been shown time and time
again that different people learn differently. My statement at the
beginning of the paragraph is a nod to this. If one person wants to
know
the physics of a turn, by all means tell him. If his curiosity runs
in
that direction, knowing the physics will help him learn the turn. If
someone just wants to know "what works", then all of the physics
explanations in the world won't help him learn to do the turn.

The difference between teaching the "principles" vs. teaching the
"techniques" is that when/after the students have learned the
principles they may develop the new techniques to tackle the task on
hand, whereas teaching them techniques they have to learn each
techniques separately, and there are countless different conditions out
there on the slopes and in the mountains, it would be a never ending
process.


I suspect that you really *show* them how to be comfortable with some

really pretty strange things on their feet. Yes, after more than 50
years of skiing I'm VERY comfortable on skis. People who see me ski,
or
more precisely see me on skis, comment that I look like I was born
with
them on my feet. The best thing you can do for a neophyte skier is to

find ways that he/she can be comfortable. With that almost everything

else will follow.

Actually that was exactly what my beginner student 9 year-old Delphi
did, showed her how to stand flat-boarded, she bombed down the "Pony
Express," Sierra-at-Tahoe the second day. I didn't teach her how to
[wedge] turn, she turned flat-board style.


I've made a few smart-ass remark like "come ski with me" etc.
poking
fun
at what I thought your technique could do on something steep and
slick.

I do recognize that you are promoting a teaching technique/tool and
that
the advanced skiing that you would teach would be pretty much the
way
we
all ski, because that's what works. Actually I'd very much like to
ski
with you sometime.

For sure,

Just for the fun of it because that's what it's all
about.

Yes, though I mostly do terrain park and going straight down on the
"blues" nowadays, I do do the "face" of Heavenly from time to time.

Hmmm, Heavenly, eh? I expect I may be in your neighborhood toward the

end of February for a few days. Interested?

Sure thing, as long as not Heavenly's blackout days (Feb 19-20); my
contact can be found here,
http://www.taomartialarts.com/sch/school.html
and please state the subject clearly, i.e. not like a spam-mail, which
may be deleted without being read.


And boi, do we got the snow!

Yeah, I know, my stepdaughter lives there.

It's dumping now, a good thing, so I got a chance to take a break,
IS


IS


VtSkier aka RW

and the other ski, now is "outside" ski,

goes faster, so would push both ski to change the direction, and
if

the

same force is maintained, the turning would continue. The

"cross-over"

is now simply to stand/weigh on the inside ski. By maintaining

50/50

balance on both skis, the skis "track" "straight" again.
Fun stuff,
IS

The Real Bev wrote:

rosco wrote:


F**K the textbook approach. Get out and have fun and
make some mistakes and eat some snow. Even tweek a knee or two - just
not too badly. My father of 70+ years old sez "if you ain't falling,
you ain't learning". Damn stoic of him.


I say "If you fall you learned something wrong." Maybe I'll change my
mind in 10 years.

Or you didn't learn it yet and are in the process of doing so. That's
how I learned that, yes, you really do have to lean into the wave when
kayak surfing in the ocean.

--
Mary Malmros
Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug.

yunlong wrote:

VtSkier wrote:

yunlong wrote:

VtSkier wrote:


[mercy snip]
"Outside" relative to what. I think you mean outside relative to
your
body. If you meant the outside of the inside ski relative to the
turn
you would be in a heap of trouble.
[more snip]

Yes, the "inside" ski is determined in relation to the turn.


So far so good

the outside edge of this ski, then, is the big toe edge
of that ski. Still with me?

The outside edge of the inside ski, relative to the turn, is the big

toe

side of the ski. Period. You can't say it any other way.


How do you identify the "outside" edge of your foot, where the ski is
only an extension [of your foot]?


Well, this is the problem we always get when someone comes along and
starts creating new terminology, or -- in this case -- using
conventional terminology in an unconventional way. VtSkier's usage
agrees with that of every reference I've ever seen: "inside edge" and
"outside edge" are relative to the turn. In any given turn, the "inside
edge" is either the left edge of both skis, or the right edge of both
skis. The use of the terms "inside" and "outside" to refer to medial
and lateral aspects of the body is one that I have never before
encountered in a skiing context. If yunlong wants to insist on this
usage, he/she may feel free to do so, but if he/she wants to communicate
and be understood, he/she would be better advised to use the terminology
in the same way everyone else does.

--
Mary Malmros
Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug.

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 14:17:19 -0500, Walt
wrote:

yunlong wrote:

snip

Sorry, we already did Flat-Boarding II, courtesy of tm.

Here it is again, in case you missed it:
http://www.jreast.co.jp/tabidoki/tvcm/movie/jsp30_300k.asx

This thread would be Flat-Boarding III. Please increment your counter.

Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.

nate

On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 09:56:47 -0500, Mary Malmros
wrote:




Well, this is the problem we always get when someone comes along and
starts creating new terminology, or -- in this case -- using
conventional terminology in an unconventional way. VtSkier's usage
agrees with that of every reference I've ever seen: "inside edge" and
"outside edge" are relative to the turn. In any given turn, the "inside
edge" is either the left edge of both skis, or the right edge of both
skis. The use of the terms "inside" and "outside" to refer to medial
and lateral aspects of the body is one that I have never before
encountered in a skiing context. If yunlong wants to insist on this
usage, he/she may feel free to do so, but if he/she wants to communicate
and be understood, he/she would be better advised to use the terminology
in the same way everyone else does.

Yunlong is simply trying to turn a buck. He's hoping nobody
understands him. Confusing people into shelling out hard earned
dollar bills.

nate

Mary Malmros wrote:
yunlong wrote:

VtSkier wrote:

yunlong wrote:

VtSkier wrote:


[mercy snip]
"Outside" relative to what. I think you mean outside relative to
your
body. If you meant the outside of the inside ski relative to the
turn
you would be in a heap of trouble.
[more snip]

Yes, the "inside" ski is determined in relation to the turn.


So far so good

the outside edge of this ski, then, is the big toe edge
of that ski. Still with me?

The outside edge of the inside ski, relative to the turn, is the
big

toe

side of the ski. Period. You can't say it any other way.


How do you identify the "outside" edge of your foot, where the ski
is
only an extension [of your foot]?


Well, this is the problem we always get when someone comes along and
starts creating new terminology, or -- in this case -- using
conventional terminology in an unconventional way. VtSkier's usage
agrees with that of every reference I've ever seen: "inside edge" and

"outside edge" are relative to the turn. In any given turn, the
"inside
edge" is either the left edge of both skis, or the right edge of both

skis. The use of the terms "inside" and "outside" to refer to medial

and lateral aspects of the body is one that I have never before
encountered in a skiing context. If yunlong wants to insist on this
usage, he/she may feel free to do so, but if he/she wants to
communicate
and be understood, he/she would be better advised to use the
terminology
in the same way everyone else does.

What are the "outside edge" and "inside edge" when you ski straight,
again?


IS


--
Mary Malmros
Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug.

Mary Malmros wrote:
yunlong wrote:

VtSkier wrote:

yunlong wrote:

VtSkier wrote:


[mercy snip]
"Outside" relative to what. I think you mean outside relative to
your
body. If you meant the outside of the inside ski relative to the
turn
you would be in a heap of trouble.
[more snip]

Yes, the "inside" ski is determined in relation to the turn.


So far so good

the outside edge of this ski, then, is the big toe edge
of that ski. Still with me?

The outside edge of the inside ski, relative to the turn, is the
big

toe

side of the ski. Period. You can't say it any other way.


How do you identify the "outside" edge of your foot, where the ski
is
only an extension [of your foot]?


Well, this is the problem we always get when someone comes along and
starts creating new terminology, or -- in this case -- using
conventional terminology in an unconventional way. VtSkier's usage
agrees with that of every reference I've ever seen: "inside edge" and

"outside edge" are relative to the turn. In any given turn, the
"inside
edge" is either the left edge of both skis, or the right edge of both

skis. The use of the terms "inside" and "outside" to refer to medial

and lateral aspects of the body is one that I have never before
encountered in a skiing context. If yunlong wants to insist on this
usage, he/she may feel free to do so, but if he/she wants to
communicate
and be understood, he/she would be better advised to use the
terminology
in the same way everyone else does.

What are the "outside edge" and "inside edge" when you ski straight,
again?


IS


--
Mary Malmros
Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug.

lal_truckee wrote:
VtSkier wrote:
yunlong wrote:


Yes, though I mostly do terrain park and going straight down on
the
"blues" nowadays, I do do the "face" of Heavenly from time to
time.

Hmmm, Heavenly, eh? I expect I may be in your neighborhood toward
the
end of February for a few days. Interested?

Maybe we should all come out - it might be instructive to see
him "flatboard" the Gunbarrel.
Yes, you may indeed learn something.


IS

VtSkier wrote:
yunlong wrote:


Yes, though I mostly do terrain park and going straight down on the
"blues" nowadays, I do do the "face" of Heavenly from time to time.

Hmmm, Heavenly, eh? I expect I may be in your neighborhood toward the
end of February for a few days. Interested?

Maybe we should all come out - it might be instructive to see him
"flatboard" the Gunbarrel.