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Performance Enhancing Drugs
For an article I'm writing, I'd be very interested in learning about
any first hand experiences with performance enhancing drugs. I'm interested in both EPO type drugs as well as possible combinations of steroids/testosterone, etc. that anyone might have used or have knowledge of others using. Of particular interest are possible combinations which increase strength without adding dramatic gains in total mass. Full confidentially given, of course. Thanks very much. |
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Performance Enhancing Drugs
Stuart wrote:
For an article I'm writing, I'd be very interested in learning about any first hand experiences with performance enhancing drugs. I'm interested in both EPO type drugs as well as possible combinations of steroids/testosterone, etc. that anyone might have used or have knowledge of others using. Of particular interest are possible combinations which increase strength without adding dramatic gains in total mass. Full confidentially given, of course. Thanks very much. I had a completely legal experience with EPO, so I don't mind sharing it in public. I was a paid subject in a drug study a few years back testing a new freeze-dried formulation of EPO to see if the body handled it any differently than the existing form of the drug. I was given some regular dose of the drug (don't recall the amount) in one formulation and for the next 2 days had 20 or so blood samples taken. Two or three weeks later, I was given the other formulation of the drug, with the same blood draw protocol. As those in the Seattle area familiar with my race results can attest, my spirit is willing but my flesh is usually too busy gasping for air for me to wind up on the podium anytime soon :-). I got each dose on a Saturday morning, and it took a few days to notice any effects, which lasted 7-10 days each dose. A local group I train with has a weekly Wednesday night off-season workout of running up a local mountain - between 3 and 3.5 miles and roughly 2400 feet of elevation gain from bottom to top. From an aerobic standpoint this is about the toughest workout I ever do. While I felt the effects of the drug, it was either noticably easier (lower heart rate, less labored breathing, etc.) to go at my accustomed pace of 48-52 minutes to the top or I was able to go significantly faster for the same level of exertion. That was enough to explain the appeal of such drugs though. Chris |
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While I felt the effects of the
drug, it was either noticably easier (lower heart rate, less labored breathing, etc.) to go at my accustomed pace of 48-52 minutes to the top or I was able to go significantly faster for the same level of exertion. That was enough to explain the appeal of such drugs though. I am sure if you were a paid subject, you (or the research group) must have more specific data desribing your perfomance, not just "significantly faster for the same level of exertion". this topic is exactly what I was joking about recently with my running buddies. Suppose you went to a citizen race of a level significantly high to provide good prizes/public_recognition_if_you_care_about_that, but significantly low not to inlvolve EPO testing. What increase in perfomance can you expect with EPO? I normally run a 5K in 17 min... so would I run it 14 min on EPO and appear in a local "greenbow news" paper as a newborn phenomenon? |
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Performance Enhancing Drugs
The way I read it, the research was testing differences in blood
chemistry response between two forms of a drug, not athletic performance. He could probably give you his different blood values (Hg, iron, etc), but it sounds like they were not interested in anything other than the clinical medical benefits for treating anemia. -Nathan http://nsavage.com "revyakin" wrote in message om... While I felt the effects of the drug, it was either noticably easier (lower heart rate, less labored breathing, etc.) to go at my accustomed pace of 48-52 minutes to the top or I was able to go significantly faster for the same level of exertion. That was enough to explain the appeal of such drugs though. I am sure if you were a paid subject, you (or the research group) must have more specific data desribing your perfomance, not just "significantly faster for the same level of exertion". this topic is exactly what I was joking about recently with my running buddies. Suppose you went to a citizen race of a level significantly high to provide good prizes/public_recognition_if_you_care_about_that, but significantly low not to inlvolve EPO testing. What increase in perfomance can you expect with EPO? I normally run a 5K in 17 min... so would I run it 14 min on EPO and appear in a local "greenbow news" paper as a newborn phenomenon? |
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Performance Enhancing Drugs
That's correct. The analysis of the 20 blood draws was what the drug study
folks cared about in each of the 2 dosing sessions. The folks I was training with were somewhat more interested it's athletic effects, but since the runs were not under controlled conditions, the best I could give them were mostly subjective impressions about perceived effort and small amounts of quantitative data about decreases in heart rate and improved times. Chris -- "Nathan Schultz" wrote in message news:GFqRa.79985$ye4.60292@sccrnsc01... The way I read it, the research was testing differences in blood chemistry response between two forms of a drug, not athletic performance. He could probably give you his different blood values (Hg, iron, etc), but it sounds like they were not interested in anything other than the clinical medical benefits for treating anemia. -Nathan http://nsavage.com "revyakin" wrote in message om... While I felt the effects of the drug, it was either noticably easier (lower heart rate, less labored breathing, etc.) to go at my accustomed pace of 48-52 minutes to the top or I was able to go significantly faster for the same level of exertion. That was enough to explain the appeal of such drugs though. I am sure if you were a paid subject, you (or the research group) must have more specific data desribing your perfomance, not just "significantly faster for the same level of exertion". this topic is exactly what I was joking about recently with my running buddies. Suppose you went to a citizen race of a level significantly high to provide good prizes/public_recognition_if_you_care_about_that, but significantly low not to inlvolve EPO testing. What increase in perfomance can you expect with EPO? I normally run a 5K in 17 min... so would I run it 14 min on EPO and appear in a local "greenbow news" paper as a newborn phenomenon? |
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Performance Enhancing Drugs
The way I read it, the research was testing differences in blood
chemistry response between two forms of a drug, not athletic performance. He could probably give you his different blood values (Hg, iron, etc), but it sounds like they were not interested in anything other than the clinical medical benefits for treating anemia. -Nathan http://nsavage.com "revyakin" wrote in message om... While I felt the effects of the drug, it was either noticably easier (lower heart rate, less labored breathing, etc.) to go at my accustomed pace of 48-52 minutes to the top or I was able to go significantly faster for the same level of exertion. That was enough to explain the appeal of such drugs though. I am sure if you were a paid subject, you (or the research group) must have more specific data desribing your perfomance, not just "significantly faster for the same level of exertion". this topic is exactly what I was joking about recently with my running buddies. Suppose you went to a citizen race of a level significantly high to provide good prizes/public_recognition_if_you_care_about_that, but significantly low not to inlvolve EPO testing. What increase in perfomance can you expect with EPO? I normally run a 5K in 17 min... so would I run it 14 min on EPO and appear in a local "greenbow news" paper as a newborn phenomenon? |
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Performance Enhancing Drugs
That's correc. The analysis of the 20 blood draws was what the drug study
folks cared about in each of the 2 dosing sessions. The folks I was training with were somewhat more interested it's athletic effects, but since the runs were not under controlled conditions, the best I could give them were mostly subjective impressions about perceived effort and small amounts of quantitative data about decreases in heart rate and improved times. Chris Allright, nevermind then. I guess such data could be found in some old sports medicine journals, before EPO was banned. |
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"Matt Morency" wrote in message
my mother said that he looks a little too red like that German who skied for Spain during the Olympics. This is idiotic. I'm not saying that Ullrich or any pro bike racer is not on drugs, nor that's it's unreasonable to suspect them, but to go by "redness" is just silly. JT -- ******************************************* NB: reply-to address is munged Visit http://www.jt10000.com ******************************************* |
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