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Old May 23rd 07, 04:17 PM posted to rec.skiing.alpine
Evojeesus
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Default ObSki: another run with flatboarding

On May 23, 4:40 pm, taichiskiing
wrote:
On May 23, 7:02 am, Evojeesus wrote:
On May 23, 3:41 pm, Walt wrote:


If you believe that, you're dumber than yourself realized.


I've seen 4-year olds ski 14mph I think, and that's just about
what your other clips seem to average.


This kind of argument doesn't take you anywhere, only exposes you at a
lower intelligent level. Even 4-year olds learn from their mistakes.


?

Actually, most of time I was in terrain parks, do you do superpipe?


No, I'm too busy being one with the mountain to bother with
artificial slopes.


Really? unfortunately, the terrain parks are a part of mountain
nowadays, don't think you can be "one with the mountain" without it.


My current favourite mountain does not have marked trails (except for
two blue groomed ones for beginners), skipatrol or restrictions on
where one may go. I much prefer untamed mountains to Disneyland.

So why don't you post any cool lines instead of that
lame stuff we've seen so far?


It sounds like your lame denial. My "cool line" is going
straightlining with or without tight turns at 45mph, what's your "cool
line"?


Where's the clip you're doing 45mph in? Anyway, one can only
'straightline' very tame terrain due to obvious reasons.

I'm expert enough, sure there are tons of better skiers
but I think I'm solidly in the top 5%.


It's really shame that you don't have some "cool" clips to show us.


I'm not pretending to be a skiing-instructor-guru with new and radical
groundbreaking ideas. Your videos show quite fun intermediate level
skiing but there's nothing much revolutionary or advanced in them, so
please tone down the hype a little bit. If your technique is usable in
blue groomed slopes it hardly proves the idea all over the mountain.

Can we have some video clips to see how you do? Please.


No. Besides, what difference would it make?


Figured, just another gaper. Yes, it makes tons of difference; it is
your creditability and your character integrity, so are your knowledge
and your critiques, on the line.


Your credibility has gone years ago due to the material you posted but
you don't seem to realize or care.

"No, I don't think that you have what it takes to
comprehend what you see." That's why.


I do. I have enough skiing experience to have a pretty
good grasp of how your type of skiing *feels*.


No, you only think you know, [but how do you know the "feeling"?]
What's the "feeling" of the flatboarding again?


I know pretty well because I have experience in skiing. Humans are
actually very good at this, just watching a performance lights up the
same areas in the brain as doing it yourself.

That's why us humans have those
mirror-neurons you know. Some of the stuff you show is decent for
intermediate skiers and I don't have much against that, but please
show the more advanced stuff before acting like the resident guru.


As I said before, there's no more "advanced stuff" in skiing.


There is more difficult stuff than not turning and standing (aka.
'straightlining') a flat blue slope.

Anything
you do extra generates more aerodynamic drags and frictions, which
undermine you're your performance. The real "advanced stuff" in skiing
is to eliminate or to reduce those drags and frictions, how do you do
it?


Is that why you spread your arms and don't tuck when you straightline
those beginner-slopes?

Anyway, I try to keep a calm upper body and not to do unnecessary
movements, it's possbile with good control of the skis.

I think I said that in off-piste I just ski. Anyway, please
convince me that your techniques work well in difficult snow
situations, steeps, couloirs, powder etc.


Probably not before you have some more [high level] skiing experience
first.


Your videos put your experience and skill in question, that's the
whole point. VtSkier says you're fast and ski well so why don't you
video any of that stuff?

So your eyes failed you again. This guy is famous among the
Heavenly locals, he routinely skis at 40mph, and the trail
is Olympic Downhill at Heavenly, where the first WC (or the
forerunner of the WC) downhill was held. I estimated his
speed on this particular run was 35 mph.


How did you make your estimate? You can try to estimate the
distance he's doing in 1 second when passing the camera.


He has a little hand-held mountaineering gadget that measures the wind
speed, which he held on his hand when he skied (not on this run), it
can tell the average speed, or the maximum speed. Last time I skied
formation with him, he clocked the maximum speed at 45 mph.


Yeah, on a different run probably on a different slope in different
wind-conditions. Your argument is pretty weak.

Another interesting question is how you came up with 14 mph, and 20
mph figures?


The 14mph came from observing some of the clips you sent. I've noticed
later that you go faster in some other clips, maybe even 25+ mph.

Note the speed and carving backward toward the end of the
clip. (I lost him in the telephoto zoom, so I hurrying with
wide angle to catch up with him.)


The skiing in that clip is by far the fastest in your
collection. Anyway, it does not seem very fast, have you got
anything twice faster?


No, I haven't got a camera fast enough to catch my straightlining run
from the side, here's a 50 mph run (estimated),http://www.taomartialarts.com/ski/sk...ghtliningh.wmv


Hah!! 50mph = 80kmh!! You are not even close, but borderline
delusional. You think you're as fast or faster than World Cup giant
slalom participants? Please get real, next time surprise yourself by
straightlining with a GPS.

What you don't understand doesn't invalid a proven theory. The
arrogance is yours.


What proven theory? What have you proved and how? Even the teachers
here don't understand your terminology and everyone thinks that your
videos show absolutely nothing even remotely challenging.

"Line-skiing" is to ski a line; that is, ski like driving a car on a
mountain road--the road turns, but the car turns little.


WTF? You seriously lost me there now. Well, I guess you never need to
really turn as you don't a) carve on the edges, b) go fast, c) ski the
steeps etc. If handwaving would make me want to straightline flat
themeparks for 120+ days a season I might just give it a try...or not!


I think is you who seriously lost yourself. Do you make "corner-turn"
within the line that you travel on? Maybe the RR-track skiing is out
of your league.


What you say?? Non capisco!!

"Turn-skiing" is to ski a turn, then a turn, and then a turn, where
the turning is not necessarily for going places but
controlling the speed, even though the turns are linked.


I understand that you don't need to control your speed
in places where you're skiing.


Actually, that'll be a might fine technique if you can ski all-
mountain without controlling/braking the speed.


That's quite impossible if the snow isn't deep.

How do you ski in the trees (tree skiing), where you
cannot see the whole line?


I have to admit that I don't have much experience at all
in tree skiing.


Without "much experience at all in tree skiing," but you think that
you're an expert all-mountain skier, but I'm not? Your hypocritical
double standard shows.


Here in Europe most of the good skiing and snow is above the treeline,
there's little I can do about it. I've skied in the US once, I fondly
remember making my practically first turn in the state of Wyoming in
the Corbett's Couloir in Jackson Hole. The beer afterwards was well-
deserved.

Practically all off-piste skiing I do is above the tree-line.


What's big deal about off-piste skiing above timber-line? Without
trees as obstacles, skiing on an open slope is probably the easiest
upper level skiing of them all, it's not?


Can also be the most dangerous one due to avalanche danger. Anyway, I
love the off-piste part and being on the mountain, doing the route-
finding and being responsible for one's own choices. Nothing beats
starting from a glacier and ending down on a bottom of a green valley.
Would I change that to a skatebording park? No.

On the other hand my turns are linked into lines, if that's what you mean.
That's turn-skiing.


So your turns are not linked or you don't need to turn?


Line-skiing turns without turning,http://www.taomartialarts.com/ski/sk...ghtliningh.wmv


That's lame-skiing without skiing. Or perhaps flatlining without
corner-turning?

And 50mph....ROTFLMAO!

I may have invented the whole skiing terminology of my
skiing all by my self; however,


Fix your terminology then.


Try some dictionary may help.


No, you're inventing your own terminology. That's not an achievement,
but a colossal ****-up. You can easily fix it, by reading a couple of
books on skiing techniques so why don't you?

My terminology is not perfect, but adequate; it has no jargons, and I
use standard English grammar structures that can be found in a grammar
book and with the words that can be found in an ordinary English
dictionary.


No it is not. Nobody understands what you're trying to communicate in
writing, that should be a big clue. Wisen up.

But you think that only "one" particular way to present an English
meaning?


You've failed to communicate, getting all philosophical after the fact
is not going to help.

Well, I'm a trained scientist with a degree or two in physics.
You're simply unintelligible.


What a wasted "a degree or two in physics," you remind me the
scientist who said that bumblebees shouldn't fly. Look beyond your
"ivory tower," you may find there's a bigger "all-mountain" out there.


You are the one throwing blanket claims about "flatboarding" from your
ivory tower.

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