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ObSki: another run with flatboarding
taichiskiing wrote:
washout by new progress/technique Glad you didn't include "new equipment" |
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ObSki: another run with flatboarding
Idonno, As I watched you can see that he is doing some pivoting. He is
forward. He is pulling back on the inside ski an inch or 2. (watch the legs separate and change places) He is actively flexing his skis so that they deform or "bow" and engage the snow with edges. He isn't bothering with poles--(I often don't both with them either when I'm cruising.) He is keeping his upper body still for balance--sticking out his arms help balance and keeps one from dropping them behind and letting them pull you of balance or counter rotating his shoulders to keep them across the fall line--or at least letting his lower body steer independently of his upper body( compare the knees to the shoulders). All in all, it is solid technique. If he likes to think that he is keeping his skis flat and not transitioning from edge to edge, let him. (He is though, if you look closely).And if he finds his description helps communicate the sport to others, where's harm? PS. we are still skiing in the Eastern Sierra even though it has been a relatively low snow year for us. The lower mountain has shut down however (Little Eagle and Canyon Lodge) Everything is out of Main Lodge. "lal_truckee" wrote in message . .. taichiskiing wrote: washout by new progress/technique Glad you didn't include "new equipment" ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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ObSki: another run with flatboarding
On May 9, 6:32 pm, taichiskiing
wrote: Well, maybe you should really look into to ski free handed, so you don't get washout by new progress/technique. Free your hands to free you body, free your body to free your mind, Taichi Skiing reaches the soul of skiing. Have you got any footage from off-piste? I'd be curious to see how you negotiate powder, packed powder, the varieties of windpack and crud without poles. Do you ever ski anything seriously steep like couloirs that are sometimes nastily hard/icy? I fail to see how not having poles is increasing my options in dealing with difficult situations. Hell, can anyone name even one great freerider who decided that poles are a hindrance? Show me the footage please. |
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ObSki: another run with flatboarding
On May 9, 7:49 pm, "Wayne Decker" wrote:
Excellent observation. Idonno, As I watched you can see that he is doing some pivoting. He is forward. He is pulling back on the inside ski an inch or 2. (watch the legs separate and change places) Classic "foot-shuffling," foot shuffling to "seek" a better balance while change the "configuration" of the two skis for the coming turn/ line, without disturbing/upsetting the travel/movements of the body/ CM. He is actively flexing his skis so that they deform or "bow" and engage the snow with edges. He isn't bothering with poles--(I often don't both with them either when I'm cruising.) Flatboarding skis/maneuvers with the "bow" of the skis. So poles are optional. He is keeping his upper body still for balance--sticking out his arms help balance and keeps one from dropping them behind and letting them pull you of balance or counter rotating his shoulders to keep them across the fall line--or at least letting his lower body steer independently of his upper body( compare the knees to the shoulders). Flatboarding utilizes only two kind of turns, long turns and short turns; long turns for carving and short turns for swinging, all initiated by rotating the hips to face the new direction while maintain the direction of the skis (i.e. the skis are not pivoted), so when the edges/skis do get released, the body already facing the proper direction and traveling on it. Yes, the lower body steers independently of the upper body, i.e. separation of upper body and lower body, is the key. All in all, it is solid technique. If he likes to think that he is keeping his skis flat and not transitioning from edge to edge, let him. (He is though, if you look closely).And if he finds his description helps communicate the sport to others, where's harm? No, not for communication, flatboarding is definitely a skill, a system, and above all, a skiing discipline. Thanks for the excellent observation, I knew there were gems in here somewhere. 'later, IS |
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ObSki: another run with flatboarding
On May 11, 10:28 am, Evojeesus wrote:
On May 9, 6:32 pm, taichiskiing wrote: Well, maybe you should really look into to ski free handed, so you don't get washout by new progress/technique. Free your hands to free you body, free your body to free your mind, Taichi Skiing reaches the soul of skiing. Have you got any footage from off-piste? I'd be curious to see how you negotiate powder, packed powder, the varieties of windpack and crud without poles. No, I don't have any footage from off-piste, as I don't have a cameraman to go with me. I ski the powder with "line skiing," i.e. turn uphill to slow down and downhill to speed up, weight on the heels to speed up and shift the weight to the tips to slow down, and turning by following (coordinated) the rhythm of those ups and downs. Do you ever ski anything seriously steep like couloirs that are sometimes nastily hard/icy? EasternFirm(tm)? Yes, I have, but never extreme skiing. I fail to see how not having poles is increasing my options in dealing with difficult situations. Hell, can anyone name even one great freerider who decided that poles are a hindrance? Show me the footage please. Didn't say that you cannot use poles, but ski without poles/pole- plants may initiate your turn sooner, change your direction quicker, and in general make skiing easier. And with skating and walking, no- pole-skiing can go anywhere that pole-skiing can go. Don't know the current standing, but a few years back, all top three national skierX winners were no-polers. YMMV, IS |
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ObSki: another run with flatboarding
On May 11, 11:13 pm, taichiskiing
wrote: On May 11, 10:28 am, Evojeesus wrote: Have you got any footage from off-piste? I'd be curious to see how you negotiate powder, packed powder, the varieties of windpack and crud without poles. No, I don't have any footage from off-piste, as I don't have a cameraman to go with me. I ski the powder with "line skiing," i.e. turn uphill to slow down and downhill to speed up, weight on the heels to speed up and shift the weight to the tips to slow down, and turning by following (coordinated) the rhythm of those ups and downs. Hmm, I don't really understand how shifting weight to the tips will slow you down. What do you think about the new equipment (fat skis) that enable one to almost make carving turns in powder? What kind of skis suit your tecnhique? I fail to see how not having poles is increasing my options in dealing with difficult situations. Hell, can anyone name even one great freerider who decided that poles are a hindrance? Show me the footage please. Didn't say that you cannot use poles, but ski without poles/pole- plants may initiate your turn sooner, change your direction quicker, and in general make skiing easier. And with skating and walking, no- pole-skiing can go anywhere that pole-skiing can go. I can buy really lightweight poles and pretend one is not carrying them if the need arises. You, however, cannot benefit from having poles in any circumstances as you're not carrying them. There are also benefits to having poles and in most situations just about everyone is using them, so I don't think you claim is true. I'm sure skiing without poles is an excellent drill, but for whole mountain skiing it will never be as versatile as having poles. Don't know the current standing, but a few years back, all top three national skierX winners were no-polers. What's skierX? Is there any footage? Anyway, I doubt that's the situation today. Do you know any top mogul skiers who don't use poles? In the moguls and the steeps poles can be really useful, not to mention flat parts of off-piste runs. |
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ObSki: another run with flatboarding
On May 12, 4:12 am, Evojeesus wrote:
On May 11, 11:13 pm, taichiskiing wrote: On May 11, 10:28 am, Evojeesus wrote: Have you got any footage from off-piste? I'd be curious to see how you negotiate powder, packed powder, the varieties of windpack and crud without poles. No, I don't have any footage from off-piste, as I don't have a cameraman to go with me. I ski the powder with "line skiing," i.e. turn uphill to slow down and downhill to speed up, weight on the heels to speed up and shift the weight to the tips to slow down, and turning by following (coordinated) the rhythm of those ups and downs. Hmm, I don't really understand how shifting weight to the tips will slow you down. What do you think about the new equipment (fat skis) that enable one to almost make carving turns in powder? What kind of skis suit your tecnhique? When you shift the weight to the tips, the tips dive into the powder, which creates more friction, so you slow down. Mind you, it is not a hard braking, and you're still going fast. Carving, as skiing maneuver, only have the advantage for sharp turn without loosing speed, but the maneuver itself is slow/static--you have to hold down the edges to turn, which maybe too static for tree powder skiing. I use more Wedeln than carving in powder skiing. Fat skis are good for powder, but terrible in icy conditions, and horrible in moguls. I have made a point not to have them. I'd use all- mountain skis, my current skis are Salmon [original/yellow] 1080 at 177cm, and new for next year, 1080 Foil at 166cm. I fail to see how not having poles is increasing my options in dealing with difficult situations. Hell, can anyone name even one great freerider who decided that poles are a hindrance? Show me the footage please. Didn't say that you cannot use poles, but ski without poles/pole- plants may initiate your turn sooner, change your direction quicker, and in general make skiing easier. And with skating and walking, no- pole-skiing can go anywhere that pole-skiing can go. I can buy really lightweight poles and pretend one is not carrying them if the need arises. You, however, cannot benefit from having poles in any circumstances as you're not carrying them. There are also benefits to having poles and in most situations just about everyone is using them, so I don't think you claim is true. I'm sure skiing without poles is an excellent drill, but for whole mountain skiing it will never be as versatile as having poles. While carrying poles has its benefits, but the disadvantages may out- weight the benefits. In high level skiing, poles are used as a timing device and a balance device, so miss use a pole means loose you timing or your balance, which would consequently screw up your forms/skiing, and miss use a pole is a major source of thumb injuries, pulled shoulders, got hang up on the branches of trees, tangle up the skier, and etc. All that can be eliminated/prevented by not carrying poles. And ski without poles but pretend they are there and use phantom pole- plant to enhance the timing and balance, etc., is still pole-skiing, which is totally different from no-pole-skiing, "Free your hands to free you body, free your body to free your mind..." no-pole-skiing is total "free" skiing. So you can see, no-pole-skiing is more versatile than pole-skiing. Don't know the current standing, but a few years back, all top three national skierX winners were no-polers. What's skierX? Is there any footage? Anyway, I doubt that's the situation today. Do you know any top mogul skiers who don't use poles? In the moguls and the steeps poles can be really useful, not to mention flat parts of off-piste runs. SkierX, skier-cross, a new game in skiing. Skiing is a game of gravity. You trade the potential energy for kinetic speed, so there's always a trade off in skiing, you gain some and you loose some. Yes, mogul skiing is better with poles and as well as on the flats; nevertheless, no-pole-skiing is still a fast, exciting, and elegant skiing anywhere else in the mountains. 'later, IS |
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ObSki: another run with flatboarding
On May 12, 5:46 pm, taichiskiing
wrote: On May 12, 4:12 am, Evojeesus wrote: On May 11, 11:13 pm, taichiskiing wrote: Hmm, I don't really understand how shifting weight to the tips will slow you down. What do you think about the new equipment (fat skis) that enable one to almost make carving turns in powder? What kind of skis suit your tecnhique? When you shift the weight to the tips, the tips dive into the powder, which creates more friction, so you slow down. Mind you, it is not a hard braking, and you're still going fast. I still don't really get it. I weigh the whole ski in powder and the tips are only visible for only during a part of the turn. Do you usually lean back in powder? Carving, as skiing maneuver, only have the advantage for sharp turn without loosing speed, but the maneuver itself is slow/static--you have to hold down the edges to turn, which maybe too static for tree powder skiing. I use more Wedeln than carving in powder skiing. I don't think dealing with two mostly independent skis in powder is static. Isn't Wedeln more static? Fat skis are good for powder, but terrible in icy conditions, and horrible in moguls. Not true. This year I had Head I.M88s (88mm under the boot), they're by far the best all-mountain skis I ever had. It's even possible to properly carve with them on groomed slopes! On off-piste the difference to old-school skis is enormous! I can buy really lightweight poles and pretend one is not carrying them if the need arises. You, however, cannot benefit from having poles in any circumstances as you're not carrying them. There are also benefits to having poles and in most situations just about everyone is using them, so I don't think you claim is true. I'm sure skiing without poles is an excellent drill, but for whole mountain skiing it will never be as versatile as having poles. While carrying poles has its benefits, but the disadvantages may out- weight the benefits. In high level skiing, poles are used as a timing device and a balance device, so miss use a pole means loose you timing or your balance, which would consequently screw up your forms/skiing, and miss use a pole is a major source of thumb injuries, pulled shoulders, got hang up on the branches of trees, tangle up the skier, and etc. All that can be eliminated/prevented by not carrying poles. I don't miss a pole-plant very often and haven't injured myself so far. The pole-plant is anyway mostly symbolic, in fast-sweeping turns dragging the tip of the pole on the snow surface gives one info about the situation...I like that. And in steeps... And ski without poles but pretend they are there and use phantom pole- plant to enhance the timing and balance, etc., is still pole-skiing, which is totally different from no-pole-skiing, "Free your hands to free you body, free your body to free your mind..." no-pole-skiing is total "free" skiing. So you can see, no-pole-skiing is more versatile than pole-skiing. Well, I don't buy it. There are situations where poles are clearly beneficial. If not using poles was "better", I think the pro's would have figured that out already. Don't know the current standing, but a few years back, all top three national skierX winners were no-polers. What's skierX? Is there any footage? Anyway, I doubt that's the situation today. Do you know any top mogul skiers who don't use poles? In the moguls and the steeps poles can be really useful, not to mention flat parts of off-piste runs. SkierX, skier-cross, a new game in skiing. Is grapping allowed? Then poles would clearly be a hindrance. Skiing is a game of gravity. You trade the potential energy for kinetic speed, so there's always a trade off in skiing, you gain some and you loose some. Yes, mogul skiing is better with poles and as well as on the flats; nevertheless, no-pole-skiing is still a fast, exciting, and elegant skiing anywhere else in the mountains. I believe that when you can keep your upper-body and hands as still as the masters (with or without poles). One should not have the need to correct balance with superfluous hand-movements. |
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ObSki: another run with flatboarding
On May 12, 4:58 pm, Evojeesus wrote:
On May 12, 5:46 pm, taichiskiing wrote: ...... Skiing is a game of gravity. You trade the potential energy for kinetic speed, so there's always a trade off in skiing, you gain some and you loose some. Yes, mogul skiing is better with poles and as well as on the flats; nevertheless, no-pole-skiing is still a fast, exciting, and elegant skiing anywhere else in the mountains. I believe that when you can keep your upper-body and hands as still as the masters (with or without poles). One should not have the need to correct balance with superfluous hand-movements. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iubucBLb42o also note that how the body moves straight down/straightlining. 'later, IS |
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ObSki: another run with flatboarding
On May 14, 3:42 pm, taichiskiing
wrote: On May 12, 4:58 pm, Evojeesus wrote: I believe that when you can keep your upper-body and hands as still as the masters (with or without poles). One should not have the need to correct balance with superfluous hand-movements. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iubucBLb42o also note that how the body moves straight down/straightlining. You don't even turn there, except in the very beginning! Also in your other videoclips you seem to move your hands alot. |
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