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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:17:46 GMT, Si
allegedly wrote: Passport control/immigration in Russian was considerably more pleasant and easier than in the USA. Nobody wanted my ****ing fingerprints, for starters... What ? You got printed going into the states ? Maybe you should leave the kilo of coke at home next time eh ? :P Do keep up. It's all part of the US-VISIT program brought about by the DHS. Even travellers who are part of the Visa Waiver Program are required to have both index fingers printed and have their photo taken. So that makes it pretty much everyone.[1] Allegedly this was in response to those countries not included biometric data in passports. Of course, now the US government have these powers and control, who knows if they'll be relinguished once biometrics are included in passports. Search for US-VISIT on the DHS website for more info. [1] Except US citizens, possibly Canadians, and maybe state officials - Can you imagine them fingerprinting the leader of another country? - Dave. -- The only powder to get high on, falls from the sky. http://www.vpas.org/ - Snowboarding the worlds pow pow - Securing your e-mail The Snowboard FAQ lives here - http://rssFAQ.org/ |
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Do keep up. It's all part of the US-VISIT program brought about by the DHS. Even travellers who are part of the Visa Waiver Program are required to have both index fingers printed and have their photo taken. So that makes it pretty much everyone.[1] Allegedly this was in response to those countries not included biometric data in passports. Of course, now the US government have these powers and control, who knows if they'll be relinguished once biometrics are included in passports. Search for US-VISIT on the DHS website for more info. [1] Except US citizens, possibly Canadians, and maybe state officials - Can you imagine them fingerprinting the leader of another country? - Dave. -- Since 2001 there have been no serious airline security breaches in the USA and also no terrorist events, thank god. How's Russia doing? |
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On 1 Mar 2005 08:45:02 -0800, "og" wrote:
Do keep up. It's all part of the US-VISIT program brought about by the DHS. Even travellers who are part of the Visa Waiver Program are required to have both index fingers printed and have their photo taken. So that makes it pretty much everyone.[1] Allegedly this was in response to those countries not included biometric data in passports. Of course, now the US government have these powers and control, who knows if they'll be relinguished once biometrics are included in passports. Search for US-VISIT on the DHS website for more info. Since 2001 there have been no serious airline security breaches in the USA and also no terrorist events, thank god. How's Russia doing? Your statement assumes that there have been no such events in the US *because* of the new security regime. In which case, show me the terrorists who were caught. It seems to me that the terrorists aim is to destroy our way of life. Which they're are managing very successfully via the loss of freedom and human rights being enacted in the name of "fighting terrorism". -- Champ |
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So you ski in North America during which you get stopped by the police
and released without incident, then return to Europe and Ski in Russia and yet your freedom is compromised by being fingerprinted? How so? |
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Your statement assumes that there have been no such events in the US
*because* of the new security regime. My statement assumes nothing but the truth. So again I'll ask you. How's Russia doing? "Meanwhile, Russia's security and intelligence system is organized as such that the relatively small number of terror attacks can be attributed only to the terrorists' weak logistical base. Unfortunately, these catastrophes result from the poor organization work of law enforcement agencies and security services in Chechnya. In Russia, responsibility for the security of public transport systems is borne by the Internal Affairs Water and Air Transport Directorate. Over the past five years, however, half of its staff officers have not been doing their regular jobs because they have had to serve month-long tours of duty in the North Caucasus." http://www.agentura.ru/english/press...ts/mn/crashes/ Makes me feel safe! How about you? It seems to me that the terrorists aim is to destroy our way of life. Which they're are managing very successfully via the loss of freedom and human rights being enacted in the name of "fighting terrorism". So you ski in North Amerca, get stopped by the police and released without incident, return to Europe and ski in Russia yet your way of life is "being destroyed"? |
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Champ wrote in
: Here's some photos, of variable quality. Maybe a write-up will follow if I get a spare hour or two: www.champ.org.uk/boards/images/Russia%202005 wow..flying in russian heli's.. I've read their military stuff can take a lot of abuse but have to wonder about maintenance of stuff.. though I suppose the pilot has a vested interest to make sure its done |
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og wrote:
Your statement assumes that there have been no such events in the US *because* of the new security regime. My statement assumes nothing but the truth. So again I'll ask you. How's Russia doing? "Meanwhile, Russia's security and intelligence system is organized as such that the relatively small number of terror attacks can be attributed only to the terrorists' weak logistical base. Unfortunately, these catastrophes result from the poor organization work of law enforcement agencies and security services in Chechnya. In Russia, responsibility for the security of public transport systems is borne by the Internal Affairs Water and Air Transport Directorate. Over the past five years, however, half of its staff officers have not been doing their regular jobs because they have had to serve month-long tours of duty in the North Caucasus." http://www.agentura.ru/english/press...ts/mn/crashes/ Makes me feel safe! How about you? It seems to me that the terrorists aim is to destroy our way of life. Which they're are managing very successfully via the loss of freedom and human rights being enacted in the name of "fighting terrorism". So you ski in North Amerca, get stopped by the police and released without incident, return to Europe and ski in Russia yet your way of life is "being destroyed"? Erm, because they have succeeded in making us change our way of life. Its not that hard to understand is it. Its not the fingerprinting as an isolated thing. It is the bigger picture and the way it opens up ( or closes ) other avenues. I know few americans that are happy with the way their country is changing. The terrorists *have* succeeded, in part, at least, in one of their primary goals. That is to cause disruption and unrest in our lifes. Is their no unrest or disruption over the implementation of homeland security in the US. I know the UK is certainly not the mirror like millpond where many aspects of foreign and domestic policy is concerned. I am not a big fan of having my liberties and freedoms taken away from me. im not arguing whether these measures are good, bad, effective or inneffective. the fact is our liberty is slowly but surely being eroded. I dont think anyone could honestly argue that they are not. Anyway this is waaaay OT. The only finguring that *should* be appropriate on a boarding holiday is the middle digit of displeasure to gaudily dressed obnoxious skiers ( just kidding ) and the ones you hold up to indicate the desired number of beers. Si |
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On 1 Mar 2005 11:56:28 -0800, "og" wrote:
So you ski in North America during which you get stopped by the police and released without incident, then return to Europe and Ski in Russia and yet your freedom is compromised by being fingerprinted? How so? That's a big piece of bait you're trying to swallow there, Steve. I was merely noting the irony that Russian immigration appears to be less onerous than that of the USA right now. Of course, I had to jump through some administrative hoops to get a visa for Russia in the first place, so maybe it evens out. -- Champ |
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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:07:56 -0000, "Mike M. Miskulin"
wrote: Champ wrote in : Here's some photos, of variable quality. Maybe a write-up will follow if I get a spare hour or two: www.champ.org.uk/boards/images/Russia%202005 wow..flying in russian heli's.. I've read their military stuff can take a lot of abuse but have to wonder about maintenance of stuff.. though I suppose the pilot has a vested interest to make sure its done The did helis looked a little old and worn, but no worse than a well looked after used car, if you see what I mean., And they were *very* strong - on one lift at the end of the day, we had 33 people in the back, plus 3 crew. There was easily room in the hold for a car. -- Champ |
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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:45:02 GMT, "og" allegedly
wrote: Since 2001 there have been no serious airline security breaches in the USA and also no terrorist events, thank god. How's Russia doing? Well, that's an interesting point. The 2 flights that were taken down last year were internal flights out of Moscow. How would fingerprinting foreign nationals have helped in that regard? The Chechyan(?) terrorists are already in the country. Also, you claim there have been "no terrorist events". How do you quantify that? What about the numerous increases in the US threat level that have occurred? Whilst the threat level itself is meaningless (there's no criteria on what happens when the level is increased or decreased, unlike with DefCon), is the raising of the level an "event"? How about the numerous flights that were cancelled from London to Washington & New York last year, because of fears of another air strike? Isn't that an "event" - a disruption to the normal way of life? Last year in Jackson Hole, I met a couple that were now afraid to leave the country because "it's not safe outside the US". Clearly that's not true, but has the damage already been done to them and no doubt many more like them? - Dave. -- The only powder to get high on, falls from the sky. http://www.vpas.org/ - Snowboarding the worlds pow pow - Securing your e-mail The Snowboard FAQ lives here - http://rssFAQ.org/ |
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