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Old December 23rd 05, 09:03 AM
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Nigel Cliffe wrote:

But, what to stick them back with ? The shop hasn't been totally helpful
(suspect that adhesive technology might not be a strong point) and suggested
things including PVA wood glue, Cynoacrylics (superglue), Epoxy resin
(araldite). These are all somewhat different adhesives.


I certainly wouldn't go for the Serious options like Araldite, because
once that's on it'll never come off (not a problem if you're happy to
throw away a grip if the pole busts, but good grips are worth keeping
IME, just in case the replacement has been "improved").

Think I'd be inclined to use a glue-gun, since clearly the glue will
soften at high temperatures, and those are unlikely to affect you while
skiing... That's a hunch rather than hard knowledge, though.

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Old December 23rd 05, 06:39 PM
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Peter Clinch wrote:
Nigel Cliffe wrote:

But, what to stick them back with ? The shop hasn't been totally
helpful (suspect that adhesive technology might not be a strong
point) and suggested things including PVA wood glue, Cynoacrylics
(superglue), Epoxy resin (araldite). These are all somewhat
different adhesives.


I certainly wouldn't go for the Serious options like Araldite, because
once that's on it'll never come off (not a problem if you're happy to
throw away a grip if the pole busts, but good grips are worth keeping
IME, just in case the replacement has been "improved").

Think I'd be inclined to use a glue-gun, since clearly the glue will
soften at high temperatures, and those are unlikely to affect you
while skiing... That's a hunch rather than hard knowledge, though.



Interesting option, hadn't thought of a hot glue gun. Will go off and
google the low temperature flexibility.



- Nigel


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Old December 23rd 05, 09:39 PM
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I am not sure where you could mail order furrule glue in the UK, but
here is a website from the colonies:
http://store.yahoo.com/gear-west/exelglue.html
If you check this web site you can at least get a image of what it
looks like. (It looks like a can with glue).

I bought a can of exel furrule glue 20 or so years ago and it does not
take much to glue ski basket/furrules to the sticks. As mentioned, the
glue that remains on the stick when removing and replacing baskets is
usually adequate for the new basket.

Ski shops that sell roller skis are likely to have a supply of furrule
glue. If you cannot find a supplier in the UK (mail order or
otherwise) it may be a good time to go on a ski holiday in Norway.

Edgar

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Old December 24th 05, 12:13 AM
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Edgar wrote:
If the handle can be unbonded by heat (i.e. hot water), it is probably
glued using ferrule cement or glue. Pole ferrule glue is applied by
heating the glue and applying to the stick. Replace the grip, properly
positioned, before it hardens as it cools. Same process for replacing
backet/ferrules. A full service ski shop should have furrule glue.

To remove, heat as you have been instructed, You do not need to add
new glue except where you cut the glued section of the stick off.

Edgar

Why not hot melt glue used for crafts and various fixits?
gr
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Old December 24th 05, 06:05 PM
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gr wrote:
Edgar wrote:
If the handle can be unbonded by heat (i.e. hot water), it is probably
glued using ferrule cement or glue. Pole ferrule glue is applied by
heating the glue and applying to the stick. Replace the grip, properly
positioned, before it hardens as it cools. Same process for replacing
backet/ferrules. A full service ski shop should have furrule glue.

To remove, heat as you have been instructed, You do not need to add
new glue except where you cut the glued section of the stick off.

Edgar

Why not hot melt glue used for crafts and various fixits?
gr


Good question re craft type hot melt glue. The answer will depend on
the temperature needed to soften or unbond the glue. Ferrule glue for
poles seems to unbond at a temperature below 100C (boiling point of
water at normal pressure). The handles or baskets/ferrules can be
unbonded by heating the pole in boiling water, or with care, by a hot
air gun. At 100C, the heat does not seem to damage the plastic of the
baskets or handle, or the resin of carbon fiber poles. So, the
question is what temperature does craft glue need to be heated to to
unbond the glue and will that temparture (heat input) damage a
resin-fiber pole shaft, plastic ferrule/basket, or the grip?

Of course, if you never need to redo the grip or ferrule, then any good
waterpoof adhesive will work.

Edgar

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Old December 24th 05, 08:31 PM
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Edgar wrote:
gr wrote:
Edgar wrote:
If the handle can be unbonded by heat (i.e. hot water), it is
probably glued using ferrule cement or glue. Pole ferrule glue is
applied by heating the glue and applying to the stick. Replace the
grip, properly positioned, before it hardens as it cools. Same
process for replacing backet/ferrules. A full service ski shop
should have furrule glue.

To remove, heat as you have been instructed, You do not need to add
new glue except where you cut the glued section of the stick off.

Edgar

Why not hot melt glue used for crafts and various fixits?
gr


Good question re craft type hot melt glue. The answer will depend on
the temperature needed to soften or unbond the glue.


To which the answer seems to be 170-200C for most hot-glues. There are some
"low temperature" types, but they are around 120C.


Ferrule glue for
poles seems to unbond at a temperature below 100C (boiling point of
water at normal pressure). The handles or baskets/ferrules can be
unbonded by heating the pole in boiling water,


Something I'd be keen to be able to do if required. The leather handle can
go inside a high temperature plastic bag (grocery store for cooking
purposes), and then be dumped in a pan of boiling water. The handle gets
hot, but the leather doesn't get a soaking.

air gun. At 100C, the heat does not seem to damage the plastic of the
baskets or handle, or the resin of carbon fiber poles. So, the
question is what temperature does craft glue need to be heated to to
unbond the glue and will that temparture (heat input) damage a
resin-fiber pole shaft, plastic ferrule/basket, or the grip?


Ferule glue looks like the best idea on the table so far. Possibly its
Shellac under a different name ?


Its getting a bit late for googling here, but I'll look up Shellac
properties another day.


- Nigel



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