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RFD: create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.skiing
"David Mahon" wrote in message ... In article , PG writes It would be interesting to check just how many potential yes votes this thread has produced from people who participate in the sport and do their bit to keep discussion going in rsre. A quick look........... 0. Perhaps it would be more useful to also look and see how many potential yes voters it has produced from people who participate in the sport who don't participate in RSRE. Then ask why not. Personally I avoid most non uk.* groups for a variety of reasons, although I do occasionally foray out. As virtually all potential UK-based posters have access to rsre via their servers, and as the ng sees regular, informed traffic with a minimum of 'interference' from trolls, there is no obvious reason for non-participation in rsre that makes much sense to me. Perhaps this minority, seasonal sport does not generate sufficient interest for a more active forum. A proposal for a forum equivalent to fr.rec.montagne (broader-based, all mountain activities) might have more appeal. Pete |
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RFD: create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.skiing
"Dick Gaughan" wrote in message ... In on Sun, 26 Oct 2003 08:15:09 +0100, "PG" wrote: and I won't quote Dick Gaughan - we don't use such language on rsre, although it might be standard procedures back with some of the uk hierarchy debaters. I presume that by "such language" you are refering to my use of the word which has, for rather a long time, had the very precise and universal meaning on Usenet of "completely clue-resistant entity". Like S****horpe or Penistone, it merely contains certain letters of the alphabet in a particular sequence which happens coincidentally, when taken in isolation from the other letters, to be identical to an existing, shorter word frequently used as an expletive. Unless you're AOL, in which case all three are obscenities. You're welcome to your opinions. I'm entitled to mine. The original proponent asked rsre for discussion on the subject, and by my analysis virtually all rsre regulars have responded sensibly, with reasoned argument. Your idea of debate differs from mine - calling others "****wits" hardly demonstrates respect, and in no way replaces argument. Pete |
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RFD: create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.skiing
In message , Alex Heney
writes I think you misread me above. I agree with everything you wrote, and while I'm open to argument, at the moment I would be voting against the group, because I think it would be likely to have a negative impact on my usenet experience. In which case I will vote "yes" in order to avoid a negative impact on my Usenet experience i.e. upholding the uk.* hierarchy (which I use extensively) against those who wish to veto uk groups in order to protect groups in other hierarchies. -- Paul Giverin British Jet Engine Website http://www.britjet.co.uk |
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RFD: create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.skiing
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:50:05 +0200, "PG"
wrote: "Ace" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:26:18 +0200, Ian Spare wrote: On 17/10/2003 22:36, in article , " wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:16:13 +0100, Molly Mockford wrote: I do think, however, that more people will find the group if it were called snowsports rather than wintersports. When was the last time you heard somebody use the term snow sports? How about the British Association of Snowsports Instructors? http://www.basi.org.uk Heh. It has become quite common usage among ski/board schools though. Certain members even entertained the idea of renaming the Ski Club, either to 'Snowsports Club...' or 'Ski & Board Club...'. Thankfully this was rejected out of hand :-) And haven't they renamed the B.S.S.F. 'UK Snowsports'..... (for greater impact) ? Pete Not seen that, but it wouldn't surprise me tremendously. -- Ace in Alsace - bruce dot rogers at roche dot com Ski Club of Great Britain http://www.skiclub.co.uk All opinions expressed are personal and in no way represent those of the Ski Club. |
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RFD: create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.skiing
"Ace" wrote in message ... On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:50:05 +0200, "PG" wrote: I do think, however, that more people will find the group if it were called snowsports rather than wintersports. When was the last time you heard somebody use the term snow sports? How about the British Association of Snowsports Instructors? http://www.basi.org.uk Heh. It has become quite common usage among ski/board schools though. Certain members even entertained the idea of renaming the Ski Club, either to 'Snowsports Club...' or 'Ski & Board Club...'. Thankfully this was rejected out of hand :-) And haven't they renamed the B.S.S.F. 'UK Snowsports'..... (for greater impact) ? Not seen that, but it wouldn't surprise me tremendously. Close, the BSSF is now "Snowsport GB " according to their site. |
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RFD: create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.skiing
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:45:13 +0100, "PG"
wrote: Close, the BSSF is now "Snowsport GB " according to their site. uk.rec.snowsport. Much better. Paul. -- A .sig is all well and good, but it's no substitute for a personality JMS: "SFX is a fairly useless publication on just about every imaginable front. Never have so many jumped-up fanboys done so little, with so much, for so long." |
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RFD: create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.skiing
In inside of
uk.net.news.config, 'Don Aitken' wrote: Both sides can play at that game. I have no more interest than you do, but I will be voting no. Your pettiness enures that I vote yes.. Exactly how is it "pettiness" if I vote no for an inadmissible reason to cancel out the effect of {R} doing the same, but not "pettiness" for him to do so in the first place? Because, in general terms, the only sensible reason to vote 'no' is because you feel the group will damage the uk.* hierarchy. Otherwise it is sufficient that there is the right minumum number of potential users. {R}'s reason for voting was to counter a 'don't split my group' type complaint, a variety of complaint that I find ludicrous because time will settle any such problem. In these days of crossposting there will be enough traffic 'between' the two groups for the users to establish for themselves which is the most appropriate. Dr Death may eventually need to prove his worth, but that has never been a problem yet. -- Dave Johnson - |
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RFD: create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.skiing
In inside of
uk.net.news.config, 'Don Aitken' wrote: On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 22:45:34 +0100, "Ali Hopkins" wrote: "BrritSki" wrote in message ... I remember Chankel relating what a bunch of arses there were in unnc. That remark ensures a few yes votes. Including mine. And people are criticising me for saying I'll vote no? Voting Yes on an uncontroversial group like this is much less obnoxious than voting No. The worst result of an unnecessary 'Yes' vote is an empty group that gets removed later. The worst result of a pointless 'No' vote is that some people are denied the place of comunication that they desire. I know which I prefer. -- Dave Johnson - |
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RFD: create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.skiing
"Dave J" wrote in message ... In inside of uk.net.news.config, 'Don Aitken' wrote: I remember Chankel relating what a bunch of arses there were in unnc. That remark ensures a few yes votes. Including mine. And people are criticising me for saying I'll vote no? Voting Yes on an uncontroversial group like this is much less obnoxious than voting No. The worst result of an unnecessary 'Yes' vote is an empty group that gets removed later. The worst result of a pointless 'No' vote is that some people are denied the place of comunication that they desire. I know which I prefer. Worse still, the possibility the both suffer to the point of non-viability. Which directly affects those that use or are likely to use these ngs, but is only of academic interest, dare I suggest, to the hierarchy organisers, many of whom I doubt we'll see much of either in rsre or in the new forum, should it come about. The bottom line is that in practice both ngs appeal to the same Europe-based Anglophone audience, and cover the same subject matter - a seasonal, minority sport. It would make more sense to broaden the appeal of the uk. group by covering more ground, such as suggested elsewhere, with the likes of uk.rec.mountainsports, or whatever. The idea seems to have crept in, from comments made, that rsre are against the proposal through some kind of protectionist 'logic'. I think if visitors from unnc had greater knowledge of rsre regulars they would realise that any objections are genuinely based on concerns for traffic overall. It is in the interests of those who regularly participate in the sport to promote discussion, as long as the means to do so make sense, and I'm sure all the potential no-voters from rsre have this and only this in mind. Most of us don't care two hoots for hierarchy politics, and which letters of the alphabet prefix their ng, as long as it works. Pete |
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RFD: create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.skiing
"Dave J" wrote in message ... In inside of uk.net.news.config, 'David Off' wrote: My point exactly, you will create a newsgroup that you will subsequently have to go about removing due to lack of traffic, as you have obviously done already judging by your comment. How will usenet ever cope with the load. I mean, imagine it! Several (at *least* two or three) messages inside unnc, *plus* a posting in una requesting a fast track removal. What a horrendous task That response like public service 'fonctionnaire' logic to me (particularly the French version) ;o) Pete |
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