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On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 00:22:49 GMT, "Oleg Konovalov"
wrote: Are you saying that the higher the elevation, the more chances of snow? Is that because it's supposed to be colder there ? But we are talking about XC skiing there, not alpine... So we need a plateau with high elevation. Yes, on average, with no other factors, 1000 feet of elevation gain means 3 to 5 degrees F colder. Farther north and farther inland are other factors if you are looking for natural snow. In this case, how about the Prospect Mountain? On their web site they claim that they have snow when nobody has it, although they are a way to the south from Stowe. Is that a good place to stay and ski with the family for 4-5 days ? Is that the marketing people or the weather service saying that? Some areas do have localized weather patterns which can lead to greater snowfall. OK, suppose it's warm before Christmas. Any good places in Canada which are not too far (Quebec, Ontario) ? Plenty of options up in Canada. The mountainous area about an hour north of Montreal is a safe bet for snow. P.S.: All that might be an empty precaution, it was snowing in Princeton this night ;-) But I would like to have a backup plan just in case. Always wise. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) -- At the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom |
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On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 00:40:13 GMT, Gary S. Idontwantspam@net wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 00:22:49 GMT, "Oleg Konovalov" wrote: In this case, how about the Prospect Mountain? On their web site they claim that they have snow when nobody has it, although they are a way to the south from Stowe. Is that a good place to stay and ski with the family for 4-5 days ? Is that the marketing people or the weather service saying that? Some areas do have localized weather patterns which can lead to greater snowfall. It's their marketing, and pretty honest. They're pretty high up. Nice lodge. Nice town (Bennington) down below. JT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** |
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On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 20:38:35 -0500, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote: On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 00:40:13 GMT, Gary S. Idontwantspam@net wrote: On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 00:22:49 GMT, "Oleg Konovalov" wrote: In this case, how about the Prospect Mountain? On their web site they claim that they have snow when nobody has it, although they are a way to the south from Stowe. Is that a good place to stay and ski with the family for 4-5 days ? Is that the marketing people or the weather service saying that? Some areas do have localized weather patterns which can lead to greater snowfall. It's their marketing, and pretty honest. They're pretty high up. Nice lodge. Nice town (Bennington) down below. The smart marketing people do realize that exaggerating snow coverage only hurts them in the long run. Sounds like this one has a good location. There are not many ugly parts of Vermont. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) -- At the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom |
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Oleg Konovalov wrote:
Are you saying that the higher the elevation, the more chances of snow? In this case, how about the Prospect Mountain? On their web site they claim that they have snow when nobody has it, although they are a way to the south from Stowe. Is that a good place to stay and ski with the family for 4-5 days ? OK, suppose it's warm before Christmas. Any good places in Canada which are not too far (Quebec, Ontario) ? Yes, higher elevation improves the chance for snow. So, for example, in New Hampshire, Great Glen Trails has a slightly better chance of snow than nearby Jackson (although Jackson itself has a pretty good chance). In southern Vermont, Prospect Mountain stands out as a place with significantly better chance of snow than any place nearby (or even compared to places an hour or more further north). The problem with the time of year under discussion (before Christmas) is that the odds are not very good anywhere in northeastern North America. That time of year, there is a significant possibility that you could go all the way to Camp frigging Mercier (north of Quebec City) and find little to no snow. At the Big Three northeastern-U.S. cross-country ski towns: Lake Placid, Stowe, and Jackson, you probably have, in January+February, about a 90% chance of having good snow conditions. But, in mid-December, the odds are more like 55%. (For Prospect Mountain, I'd guess something like 80% in the heart of the winter, but something like 45% for mid-December.) The best odds for snow within the northeastern U.S. are at some of the less well known and less convenient places: Great Glen Trails and The Balsams in New Hampshire, or Hazen's Notch in Vermont, so that might get your odds up to, say, 60%. In northeastern Canada, the best chances of early-season snow (maybe 67%) are Parc de la Gatineau (which you went to already), Mt-Tremblant/St-Jovite, and possibly Val-Morin/Val-David (i.e., Far Hills Resort), possibly Mt-Ste-Anne. And, of course, Camp frigging Mercier. Lew Lasher Cambridge, Massachusetts and Stowe, Vermont |
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"Lew Lasher" wrote in message news:X1Vkf.4673$6Z5.2809@trndny02... In northeastern Canada, the best chances of early-season snow (maybe 67%) are Parc de la Gatineau (which you went to already), Mt-Tremblant/St-Jovite, and possibly Val-Morin/Val-David (i.e., Far Hills Resort), possibly Mt-Ste-Anne. And, of course, Camp frigging Mercier. Foret Montmorency, next to Camp Mercier, has been open since early November. Camp Mercier have enough snow but will only open next week-end. Both places are about 30-40 miles north of Quebec City, a nice place to visit or dine out in the evening : ) In the Townships, Mont Megantic will also open next week-end, but it is not really a place I would ski with a kid. It's up up and up and then down down down. Mont Orford was open for the last 2 week-ends, with limited trails where you'd better use your rock skis. I don't think north of Montreal is an option right now. Maybe a good idea is to keep checking this map of snow depth and decide as late as possible : http://www.theweathernetwork.com/fea...ow/indexQC.htm BarryT Foret Montmorency is at : http://www.fm.ulaval.ca/default.htm Mégantic, Mecier and Orford are at : http://www.sepaq.com/ |
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There is a lot more to the Adirondacks than the Lake Placid (or Lake
George) areas. Right now the west and southwestern areas have really good snow. Lapland Lake Resort in Northville got nine inches on 12/9, on top of an 8-10 inch base (http://www.laplandlake.com/) and Garnet Hill (North River, NY, http://www.garnet-hill.com/) added another five inches the same day. Just to the west of the Blue Line is the Tug Hill Plateau, which gets over 240 inches of lake effect snow off Lake Ontario each winter. Osceola X-C Ski Center in Camden (http://www.uxcski.com/) is reporting 75 inches so far this winter, with 15-30 inches on the trails, with 8 inches of snow this weekend aleady! That sounds like the best bet for reliable snow to me! |
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For reliable snow before Christmas the Tug Hill area of New York is
your best bet. They get the most snow in Eastern US. A XC center there is www.salmonhills.com. Oleg Konovalov wrote: Hi, I would like to do some cross-country skiing with 11 yrs old son medium difficulty in North-East US (VT, Quebec, NY, PA,...) We've been to Lake Placid, NY a few times (liked it), would like to try something else. Could anybody recommend something with reliable snow before Christmas ? We live in NJ. Should be within 9 hrs drive from NYcity and not very boring. Thank you in advance, Oleg. |
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Ralph wrote:
For reliable snow before Christmas the Tug Hill area of New York is your best bet. They get the most snow in Eastern US. Actually the most snow in the eastern U.S. is typically in a very small area in northern Vermont near Jay Peak. For a current snow depth chart, see: http://www.erh.noaa.gov/nerfc/graphi.../sd1_today.jpg Jay Peak has claimed at various times to offer cross-country skiing, but, basically, they don't. The only cross-country center in that area is Hazen's Notch: http://www.hazensnotch.org/ They are currently claiming snow depths of 36-40" on their trails. Lew Lasher Cambridge, Massachusetts and Stowe, Vermont |
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The point is RELIABLE snow. Right now Tug Hill (12/22) has had over 100
inches. Does Northern Vermont? Trailpatrol |
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Trailpatrol wrote:
The point is RELIABLE snow. Right now Tug Hill (12/22) has had over 100 inches. Does Northern Vermont? For the area I am talking about, which is admittedly a small area right around Jay Peak, yes. If you look at the National Weather Service chart showing total seasonal snow, the 3 areas with the most snow (labelled 102-119" on the chart) are Tug Hill (NY), Jay Peak (VT), and Mount Washington (NH): http://www.erh.noaa.gov/nerfc/graphi...sea1_today.jpg Lew Lasher Cambridge, Massachusetts and Stowe, Vermont |
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