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my first distance workout on inlines
J999w wrote:
I'd rather pick gravel out of my butt, than work with a jammed wrist. To avoid the jammed wrist, take a lesson from inury rates of ice skating verses inline skating. On Ice, the surface is hard and slippery, so putting a hand out to break a fall will not as often result in a jammed wrist. The hand slips along on the ice, but does not suddenly decellerate and add to the impact. On pavement, wrist guards not only stablize the wrist, they have a grinder pad over the palm to prevent abrasion (and to minimize transfer of too much force to the rest of the arm!) Because of the extra plastic on these wrist guards, I have never thought poling would be very natural. On rollerskis, the grip slides well enough on pavement to have prevented both abrasion to the hand and the jammed wrist on my many falls. I am lucky that my reflex in falling is to open the hand exposing the grip to the pavement. (You will completely destroy a swix cork grip on a single fall---use plastic grips) Those who grip the poles as they go down will have to practice falls on grass with an open hand to get over the destructive reflex. With practice, you can rollerski gloveless with confidence. Jim Farrell recoving from an early season abdominal pull |
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I seem to remember being told that using a hand to break falls on ice is a
no-no. In any event, I did it that way in 1990 and broke my wrist. Was in a cast for 3 months just as I was starting the most important chapters of a dissertation. So much for that project. Gene Jim Farrell wrote: To avoid the jammed wrist, take a lesson from inury rates of ice skating verses inline skating. On Ice, the surface is hard and slippery, so putting a hand out to break a fall will not as often result in a jammed wrist. The hand slips along on the ice, but does not suddenly decellerate and add to the impact. |
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The broken wrist I'm suffering from now was broken in a fall walking down the hill to the train station in Lillehammer in ~1996. The road was covered with ice and I was loaded with all my gear and slipped. Was carring a fully loaded Karhu ski bag and wearing a very heavy backpack. Must have openned my hand, but it landed hard on the ski bag and broke my scaphoid. Didn't know it until it was x-rayed last year. It's been operated on once and in a cast 4 of the last 10 months. It didn't heal and now it has to be operated on again. The physician's assistant told me the hand/wrist doctor's greatest wish is that scaphoid fractures would hurt more when they happen so people would come see them right away. I thought I'd sprained it and skied the Vasaloppet Oppet Spar the following day. Had a great time and it didn't bother me at all while skiing... -Mitch On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Gene Goldenfeld wrote: I seem to remember being told that using a hand to break falls on ice is a no-no. In any event, I did it that way in 1990 and broke my wrist. Was in a cast for 3 months just as I was starting the most important chapters of a dissertation. So much for that project. Gene Jim Farrell wrote: To avoid the jammed wrist, take a lesson from inury rates of ice skating verses inline skating. On Ice, the surface is hard and slippery, so putting a hand out to break a fall will not as often result in a jammed wrist. The hand slips along on the ice, but does not suddenly decellerate and add to the impact. |
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Gene Goldenfeld wrote:
I seem to remember being told that using a hand to break falls on ice is a no-no. In any event, I did it that way in 1990 and broke my wrist. Was in a cast for 3 months just as I was starting the most important chapters of a dissertation. So much for that project. Gene Jim Farrell wrote: To avoid the jammed wrist, take a lesson from inury rates of ice skating verses inline skating. On Ice, the surface is hard and slippery, so putting a hand out to break a fall will not as often result in a jammed wrist. The hand slips along on the ice, but does not suddenly decellerate and add to the impact. Was I not clear? "Will not as often" result in a jammed wrist. It happens, yes. But please, don't be so willfully obtuse, Gene, I'm not sure if it is helpful. Injury statistics are so clear that the fractured wrist was called the 'rollerblade injury' for many years. We are trying to REDUCE injury while rollerskiing with this discussion. When playing hockey at high speed, getting tripped and putting the hands out has resulted in no wrist or arm injuries with this guy so far. KW. The fractured wrist is just not so common of an ice skating injury. One could just be standing still, fall on the ice, put a hand out and fracture a wrist (no additional force due to velocity of travel --- ice slip will not help you out much there.) I know people who have done it that way. Of course, one could break a hip, too. I think I would be more willing to make a full body slam on a fall on snow (as recommended) than I would on asphault. Each skier should take one's chances with additional padding if you are not confident in your ability to save yourself. That said, falling using the grips to contact the pavement has eliminated all road rash from my falls over the last two years without the use of awkward knee pads or wrist guards. (my padded softball shorts have helped though, too) My wife prudently chooses knee pads. Whatever works to make the sport enjoyable and safe. I have been able to 'go horizontal' in many sports* without injury. Works for me. Just trying to help out here. Jim Farrell *Ultimate, soccer, softball outfield, base sliding, etc |
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Gene Goldenfeld wrote:
I seem to remember being told that using a hand to break falls on ice is a no-no. In any event, I did it that way in 1990 and broke my wrist. Was in a cast for 3 months just as I was starting the most important chapters of a dissertation. So much for that project. Gene Jim Farrell wrote: To avoid the jammed wrist, take a lesson from inury rates of ice skating verses inline skating. On Ice, the surface is hard and slippery, so putting a hand out to break a fall will not as often result in a jammed wrist. The hand slips along on the ice, but does not suddenly decellerate and add to the impact. Was I not clear? "Will not as often" result in a jammed wrist. It happens, yes. Injury statistics are so clear that the fractured wrist was called the 'rollerblade injury' for many years. We are trying to REDUCE injury while rollerskiing with this discussion. When playing hockey at high speed, getting tripped and putting the hands out has resulted in no wrist or arm injuries with this guy so far. KW. The fractured wrist is just not so statistically common of an ice skating injury. One could just be standing still, fall on the ice, put a hand out and fracture a wrist (no additional force due to velocity of travel --- ice slip will not help you out much there.) I know people who have done it that way. Of course, one could break a hip, too. I think I would be more willing to make a full body slam on a fall on snow (as recommended) than I would on asphault. Each skier should take one's chances with additional padding if you are not confident in your ability to save yourself. That said, falling using the grips to contact the pavement has eliminated all road rash from my falls over the last two years without the use of awkward knee pads or wrist guards. The abrasion protection and the gradual decelleration have both made falls safe and painless (my padded softball shorts have helped though, too) My wife prudently chooses knee pads. Whatever works to make the sport enjoyable and safe. I have been able to 'go horizontal' in many sports* without injury. Works for me. Just trying to help out here. Jim Farrell *Ultimate, soccer, softball outfield, base sliding, etc |
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Yes, my hard-wheel rollerskis have smaller wheels than the 80 mm ones on my
new inline skates. I've heard there's now some inline skates with 100 mm wheels. It was a big shock the first couple of times I hit pebbles with my hard-wheel rollerskis. My obstacle-perception system was tuned for road bicycling, but soon I got much better at spotting the smaller stuff. Ken |
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The reason most "elite" coaches discourage rollerblades is that the
"kick" and feel are much different than the ski kick and feel. Rollerbladers tend to push off more toward the back, and they don't use a knee drive nearly as much because it is awkward on blades. I have two athletes that I'm coaching who are big rollerbladers and every year I notice they have issues related to this. One of them I convinced to switch to rollerskis and those problems went away. There is nothing wrong with using rollerblades, but just be aware that the techniques are significantly different and that they will probably mess up your technique a bit. If you are a competent skier, though, it should not take more than a few weeks on snow each year to erase the habits formed on rollerblades. I agree with you that rollerblades are more fun, but they are definitely not the best training for skiing. -Nathan http://nsavage.com "Ken Roberts" wrote in message ... Lots of fun. Took my new inline skates out on the wide quiet streets near our apartment. I figured I could go back and switch to my rollerskis when I found out that I couldn't get a good workout with the skates (because of lack of resistance or because I was too scared of the speed). Started out revisiting lots of places I've enjoyed on rollerskis, but I went so far so fast that I got confused out on roads I'd never been to before. After a few minutes practicing, I felt good enough with braking. So I tried some downhills and felt confident on those. Then some curves, and my legs still remembered how to do cross-overs from my childhood ice rink days. Then I worked on braking from higher speeds. And discovered that I _like_ speeds, way higher than I ever dared on rollerskis. Got chased by five 9th-grade boys on bicycles, who posed unexpected questions when they caught me at a stop sign. Heart Rate: highs about the same as rollerskis, but the lows were lower. I think the highs were due to me being unable to resist playing with my newfound speed. I'll guess that once I've gotten over that, my average heart rate, both highs and lows, will be 5 or 10 beats lower than on rollerskis. That's a _good_ thing for my long slow distance workouts. Never did use that plastic buckle around the ankle of the skate. Instead I tightened the laces for better support. Then after a long time my toes were getting numb, so I took my skates off for a minute -- no problem. After that I decided to keep my laces comfortable, and just learn to skate with less support. Worked fine for me -- I've got years and years of practice skiing and ice-skating in unsupportive boots. Ankle bend. Never before practiced such deep ankle bend, and for so many minutes. I suspect it's the lower resistive force of inlines that allows me to easily play with a larger range of motion. Still skating two hours later. Never did go back for the rollerskis. Inlines are way more fun. Ken |
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The reason most "elite" coaches discourage rollerblades is that the
"kick" and feel are much different than the ski kick and feel. Rollerbladers tend to push off more toward the back, and they don't use a knee drive nearly as much because it is awkward on blades. I have two athletes that I'm coaching who are big rollerbladers and every year I notice they have issues related to this. One of them I convinced to switch to rollerskis and those problems went away. There is nothing wrong with using rollerblades, but just be aware that the techniques are significantly different and that they will probably mess up your technique a bit. If you are a competent skier, though, it should not take more than a few weeks on snow each year to erase the habits formed on rollerblades. I agree with you that rollerblades are more fun, but they are definitely not the best training for skiing. -Nathan http://nsavage.com "Ken Roberts" wrote in message ... Lots of fun. Took my new inline skates out on the wide quiet streets near our apartment. I figured I could go back and switch to my rollerskis when I found out that I couldn't get a good workout with the skates (because of lack of resistance or because I was too scared of the speed). Started out revisiting lots of places I've enjoyed on rollerskis, but I went so far so fast that I got confused out on roads I'd never been to before. After a few minutes practicing, I felt good enough with braking. So I tried some downhills and felt confident on those. Then some curves, and my legs still remembered how to do cross-overs from my childhood ice rink days. Then I worked on braking from higher speeds. And discovered that I _like_ speeds, way higher than I ever dared on rollerskis. Got chased by five 9th-grade boys on bicycles, who posed unexpected questions when they caught me at a stop sign. Heart Rate: highs about the same as rollerskis, but the lows were lower. I think the highs were due to me being unable to resist playing with my newfound speed. I'll guess that once I've gotten over that, my average heart rate, both highs and lows, will be 5 or 10 beats lower than on rollerskis. That's a _good_ thing for my long slow distance workouts. Never did use that plastic buckle around the ankle of the skate. Instead I tightened the laces for better support. Then after a long time my toes were getting numb, so I took my skates off for a minute -- no problem. After that I decided to keep my laces comfortable, and just learn to skate with less support. Worked fine for me -- I've got years and years of practice skiing and ice-skating in unsupportive boots. Ankle bend. Never before practiced such deep ankle bend, and for so many minutes. I suspect it's the lower resistive force of inlines that allows me to easily play with a larger range of motion. Still skating two hours later. Never did go back for the rollerskis. Inlines are way more fun. Ken |
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Two years ago I decide to inline skate(5 wheel speed skates) rather than
roller ski during the summer. Skated tons a had tons of fun.Didn't fall once! I was ready to sell my roller skis until I got on snow. My technique was horrible.There is a huge difference between inline skating and snow skating. After a few sessions on the roller skis my technique was back to normal.You can't discount the fun factor as inlines are a blast and with roller skis you are just one bad weight shift away from a fall. Not to mention the old pole between the legs. YMMV Fitzgerald |
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Personally, I wouldn't jump to assume that inlines are a whole lot
more stable/safe than rollerskis. Inlines typically have smaller wheels, so are more likely to jam on pebbles. They have shorter wheelbase, so should be a little less stable front to rear. Obviously, stiffer boot, fixed heel and maneuverability tend to counter these effects. My crash history ... Inlines ... concussion, broken teeth, loss of memory. Roller skis ... none of note. I'm only one data point, but the evidence does speak against the general tone of this thread, that inlines are safer/more stable than roller skis. As for actually training for skiing, I agree completely with Nathan. Roller skiing is a lot better than inline for technique. And in winter, I'd highly recommend hitting the ski trails rather than the ice rink! Cheers, Brian In article , Fitzgerald wrote: Two years ago I decide to inline skate(5 wheel speed skates) rather than roller ski during the summer. Skated tons a had tons of fun.Didn't fall once! I was ready to sell my roller skis until I got on snow. My technique was horrible.There is a huge difference between inline skating and snow skating. After a few sessions on the roller skis my technique was back to normal.You can't discount the fun factor as inlines are a blast and with roller skis you are just one bad weight shift away from a fall. Not to mention the old pole between the legs. YMMV Fitzgerald |
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