Death, danger, patrol, life

Here in the Eastern Sierra you will loose your ticket/pass if it is
determined that you are willfully reckless. You can be banned from the
resort. ( An acquaintence of mine curently has constraining orders against
him for both mountains--and all of its properties). I also understand the
Mountain itself will prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law for any
negligence which results in the injury or death of either an employee or a
guest--if you are at fault, regardless of whether you are an emplyee or a
guest yourself. Further, leaving the scene of an accent you are involved in
until you are released by patrol is a FELLONY. It is fellony
hit-and-run--the same as with a vehicle.

Know, and practice the code!!!

--
I ski, therefore I am
"yunlong" wrote in message
oups.com...
Mary Malmros wrote:
yunlong wrote:

"drive defensively" doesn't mean "to ignore traffic laws," and what
kind of "traffic laws" should skiing have, short of avoiding
collision,
you think?

Skiing _does_ have several "traffic laws", none of which is as
simple-minded as, "avoid collision". In the United States, these
"laws"
are expressed as the responsibility code, which can be found at
http://www.nsp.org/nsp2002/safety_in...e.asp?mode=yrc. Most,
if
not all, ski areas in the United States explicitly state that sliders

must comply with this code as a condition for using the area. It's
usually posted prominently and in such ways that you'd be
hard-pressed
to claim non-wilfull ignorance; therefore, I'm surprised that an
experienced slider such as yourself doesn't seem to be aware of it.

So you don't know the difference between "codes" and "laws"?

In California we do distinguish them. When you get hurt in a skiing
accident, you may file civil sue to seek compensation (on your own),
but it is not a prosecutable criminal offense (by the state).


IS


--
Mary Malmros
Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug.

yunlong wrote:
Mary Malmros wrote:

yunlong wrote:


"drive defensively" doesn't mean "to ignore traffic laws," and what
kind of "traffic laws" should skiing have, short of avoiding

collision,

you think?

Skiing _does_ have several "traffic laws", none of which is as
simple-minded as, "avoid collision". In the United States, these

"laws"

are expressed as the responsibility code, which can be found at
http://www.nsp.org/nsp2002/safety_in...e.asp?mode=yrc. Most,

if

not all, ski areas in the United States explicitly state that sliders


must comply with this code as a condition for using the area. It's
usually posted prominently and in such ways that you'd be

hard-pressed

to claim non-wilfull ignorance; therefore, I'm surprised that an
experienced slider such as yourself doesn't seem to be aware of it.


So you don't know the difference between "codes" and "laws"?

Um...I do...but I think you just demonstrated that you don't.

I'll take your advice about the law right about the same time I start
taking your advice about skiing.

--
Mary Malmros
Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug.

Wayne Decker wrote:
Here in the Eastern Sierra you will loose your ticket/pass if it is
determined that you are willfully reckless.

What constitutes the "reckless" is the argument, and "who" is going to
determine that and by "what" standard are the next questions.

You can be banned from the
resort. ( An acquaintence of mine curently has constraining orders
against
him for both mountains--and all of its properties).

And that involves only civil sue, you may sue them as well.

I also understand the
Mountain itself will prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law
for any
negligence which results in the injury or death of either an
employee or a
guest--if you are at fault, regardless of whether you are an emplyee
or a
guest yourself.

The mountain cannot prosecute you anything, only the state may
prosecute you for wrongful injury or death;

Further, leaving the scene of an accent you are involved in
until you are released by patrol is a FELLONY. It is fellony
hit-and-run--the same as with a vehicle.

which is patterned/prosecuted under normal vehicle traffic laws, but
NOT the "ski traffic laws."


Know, and practice the code!!!

Know the laws, and know your right.


IS


--
I ski, therefore I am
"yunlong" wrote in message
oups.com...
Mary Malmros wrote:
yunlong wrote:

"drive defensively" doesn't mean "to ignore traffic laws," and
what
kind of "traffic laws" should skiing have, short of avoiding
collision,
you think?

Skiing _does_ have several "traffic laws", none of which is as
simple-minded as, "avoid collision". In the United States, these
"laws"
are expressed as the responsibility code, which can be found at
http://www.nsp.org/nsp2002/safety_in...e.asp?mode=yrc.
Most,
if
not all, ski areas in the United States explicitly state that
sliders

must comply with this code as a condition for using the area.
It's
usually posted prominently and in such ways that you'd be
hard-pressed
to claim non-wilfull ignorance; therefore, I'm surprised that an
experienced slider such as yourself doesn't seem to be aware of
it.

So you don't know the difference between "codes" and "laws"?

In California we do distinguish them. When you get hurt in a skiing
accident, you may file civil sue to seek compensation (on your
own),
but it is not a prosecutable criminal offense (by the state).


IS


--
Mary Malmros
Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug.

Mary Malmros wrote:
yunlong wrote:
Mary Malmros wrote:

yunlong wrote:


"drive defensively" doesn't mean "to ignore traffic laws," and
what
kind of "traffic laws" should skiing have, short of
avoiding collision, you think?

Skiing _does_ have several "traffic laws", none of which is as
simple-minded as, "avoid collision". In the United States, these
"laws"
are expressed as the responsibility code, which can be found at
http://www.nsp.org/nsp2002/safety_in...e.asp?mode=yrc.
Most,
if not all, ski areas in the United States explicitly state that
sliders
must comply with this code as a condition for using the area.
It's usually posted prominently and in such ways that you'd
be hard-pressed
to claim non-wilfull ignorance; therefore, I'm surprised that an
experienced slider such as yourself doesn't seem to be aware of it.

So you don't know the difference between "codes" and "laws"?

Um...I do...but I think you just demonstrated that you don't.

Supporting arguments? Or you just saying "I do" and pretend it is true?


I'll take your advice about the law right about the same time
I start taking your advice about skiing.

Flat-boarding? Not sure if you can handle it.


IS


--
Mary Malmros
Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug.

"yunlong" wrote in message
oups.com...
Wayne Decker wrote:
Here in the Eastern Sierra you will loose your ticket/pass if it is
determined that you are willfully reckless.

What constitutes the "reckless" is the argument, and "who" is going to
determine that and by "what" standard are the next questions.

You can be banned from the
resort. ( An acquaintence of mine curently has constraining orders
against
him for both mountains--and all of its properties).

And that involves only civil sue, you may sue them as well.

I also understand the
Mountain itself will prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law
for any
negligence which results in the injury or death of either an
employee or a
guest--if you are at fault, regardless of whether you are an emplyee
or a
guest yourself.

The mountain cannot prosecute you anything, only the state may
prosecute you for wrongful injury or death;

Are you also a lawyer?

I am not, but I know that a mountain (or, more formally, the mountain resort
operating company) can revoke your ticket or season pass and sue you in
civil court for any damage they, their employees, or their other customers,
suffer.

Further, leaving the scene of an accent you are involved in
until you are released by patrol is a FELLONY. It is fellony
hit-and-run--the same as with a vehicle.

which is patterned/prosecuted under normal vehicle traffic laws, but
NOT the "ski traffic laws."

At least in Vermont, Californai, and Colorado, there are specific "ski
traffic laws" on the books.

yunlong wrote:

Mary Malmros wrote:

yunlong wrote:

Mary Malmros wrote:


yunlong wrote:



"drive defensively" doesn't mean "to ignore traffic laws," and

what

kind of "traffic laws" should skiing have, short of
avoiding collision, you think?

Skiing _does_ have several "traffic laws", none of which is as
simple-minded as, "avoid collision". In the United States, these

"laws"

are expressed as the responsibility code, which can be found at
http://www.nsp.org/nsp2002/safety_in...e.asp?mode=yrc.

Most,

if not all, ski areas in the United States explicitly state that

sliders

must comply with this code as a condition for using the area.
It's usually posted prominently and in such ways that you'd
be hard-pressed
to claim non-wilfull ignorance; therefore, I'm surprised that an
experienced slider such as yourself doesn't seem to be aware of it.

So you don't know the difference between "codes" and "laws"?

Um...I do...but I think you just demonstrated that you don't.


Supporting arguments? Or you just saying "I do" and pretend it is true?

You're off in left field, chummy. The terms "code" and "law" are often
used synonymously; or, to be more exact, in the legal context, "code"
generally refers to a body of laws that have some relation to one
another (as in the phrase "New York Drug Code"). Both words also have
meaning outside the legal context: for example, the law of gravity or
the Repo Code.

You seem to be confused on two points. First, you're apparently under
the misapprehension that a "law" is a piece of legislation which, if
violated, can lead to criminal prosecution, while a "code" is a piece of
legislation which, if violated, can lead to a civil suit. This is
incorrect. To provide a single counterexample, Kobe Bryant was charged
with violating a law against sexual assault. The state of Colorado
brought a crimninal case against him. The case was subsequently
dropped, and the alleged victim is now pursuing a _civil_ suit for the
same violation of the same law.

The second point on which you appear to be confused has to do with the
phrase "responsibility code". The responsibility code as such is not a
legal statute of any kind; instead, it is a "code" in the sense of the
Repo Code, a set of conventions agreed upon by participants. It does
not have the force of law as such; however, you would be very much
mistaken to assume that therefore, someone who acts in violation of the
Responsibility Code cannot be liable for criminal prosecution (as in the
Colorado case of People v. Hall, in which the defendant was prosecuted
and eventually convicted of criminally negligent homicide).

I'll take your advice about the law right about the same time
I start taking your advice about skiing.


Flat-boarding? Not sure if you can handle it.

The snow has been really sucking here, but I'm also not sure I could
handle what happened to Astro after he followed your dumbass advice.

--
Mary Malmros
Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug.

Richard Henry wrote:

"yunlong" wrote:
Wayne Decker wrote:
Here in the Eastern Sierra you will loose your ticket/pass if it is
determined that you are willfully reckless.

What constitutes the "reckless" is the argument, and "who" is going to
determine that and by "what" standard are the next questions.

You can be banned from the
resort. ( An acquaintence of mine curently has constraining orders
against him for both mountains--and all of its properties).

And that involves only civil sue, you may sue them as well.

I also understand the
Mountain itself will prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law
for any
negligence which results in the injury or death of either an
employee or a
guest--if you are at fault, regardless of whether you are an emplyee
or a
guest yourself.

The mountain cannot prosecute you anything, only the state may
prosecute you for wrongful injury or death;

Are you also a lawyer?

I am not, but I know that a mountain (or, more formally, the mountain resort
operating company) can revoke your ticket or season pass and sue you in
civil court for any damage they, their employees, or their other customers,
suffer.

Further, leaving the scene of an accent you are involved in
until you are released by patrol is a FELLONY. It is fellony
hit-and-run--the same as with a vehicle.

which is patterned/prosecuted under normal vehicle traffic laws, but
NOT the "ski traffic laws."

At least in Vermont, Californai, and Colorado, there are specific "ski
traffic laws" on the books.

It's also possible to get parking (especially gimpspot violations) and
speeding tickets in private parking lots. Perhaps it would be a good
idea to ask "Do you prosecute?" when buying a lift ticket.

--
Cheers,
Bev
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"It doesn't get any easier - you just go faster."
-- Greg Lemond

Mary Malmros wrote:
yunlong wrote:

Mary Malmros wrote:
yunlong wrote:
Mary Malmros wrote:
yunlong wrote:

"drive defensively" doesn't mean "to ignore traffic
laws," and what kind of "traffic laws" should skiing
have, short of avoiding collision, you think?

Skiing _does_ have several "traffic laws", none of which is as
simple-minded as, "avoid collision". In the United States, these

"laws"

are expressed as the responsibility code, which can be found at
http://www.nsp.org/nsp2002/safety_in...e.asp?mode=yrc.

Most,

if not all, ski areas in the United States explicitly state that

sliders

must comply with this code as a condition for using the area.
It's usually posted prominently and in such ways that you'd
be hard-pressed
to claim non-wilfull ignorance; therefore, I'm surprised that an
experienced slider such as yourself doesn't seem to be aware of
it.

So you don't know the difference between "codes" and "laws"?

Um...I do...but I think you just demonstrated that you don't.

Supporting arguments? Or you just saying "I do" and pretend it is
true?

You're off in left field, chummy. The terms "code" and "law" are
often
used synonymously; or, to be more exact, in the legal context, "code"

generally refers to a body of laws that have some relation to one
another (as in the phrase "New York Drug Code"). Both words also
have
meaning outside the legal context: for example, the law of gravity or

the Repo Code.

You seem to be confused on two points. First, you're apparently
under
the misapprehension that a "law" is a piece of legislation which, if
violated, can lead to criminal prosecution, while a "code" is a piece
of
legislation which, if violated, can lead to a civil suit. This is
incorrect. To provide a single counterexample, Kobe Bryant was
charged
with violating a law against sexual assault. The state of Colorado
brought a crimninal case against him. The case was subsequently
dropped, and the alleged victim is now pursuing a _civil_ suit for
the
same violation of the same law.

The second point on which you appear to be confused has to do with
the
phrase "responsibility code". The responsibility code as such is not
a
legal statute of any kind; instead, it is a "code" in the sense of
the
Repo Code, a set of conventions agreed upon by participants. It does

not have the force of law as such; however, you would be very much
mistaken to assume that therefore, someone who acts in violation of
the
Responsibility Code cannot be liable for criminal prosecution (as in
the
Colorado case of People v. Hall, in which the defendant was
prosecuted
and eventually convicted of criminally negligent homicide).

Thanks for the redirection, the question was not the "general"
difference of "code" and "law," but specifically about skier's
responsibility "codes" vs. ski traffic "laws."


I'll take your advice about the law right about the same time
I start taking your advice about skiing.


Flat-boarding? Not sure if you can handle it.

The snow has been really sucking here, but I'm also not sure I could
handle what happened to Astro after he followed your dumbass advice.

Thanks for NOT to participate in my threads and discussions, then.


IS


--
Mary Malmros
Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug.

In message , The Real Bev
writes

It's also possible to get parking (especially gimpspot violations) and
speeding tickets in private parking lots. Perhaps it would be a good
idea to ask "Do you prosecute?" when buying a lift ticket.


Ask it furtively, and make sure you have your base-jumping equipment (or
at least a shotgun) and assorted cameras on you at the time.

--
Sue ]3(

At the last annual count, Britain had 544 breweries and rising.

In message , Mary Malmros
writes

The snow has been really sucking here, but I'm also not sure I could
handle what happened to Astro after he followed your dumbass advice.


That gives the impression that you blame yunlong for Astro's broken arm.

I expect you'd agree that Astro's a big boy who knows what he's doing,
and if he chooses to try that at home, it's his own fault if he crashes.

I won't be trying it because I couldn't understand it!

--
Sue ]3(

Aum nama Shiva Nataraja - snow please! Pretty please?