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skidoos
It seems to me that everytime a skidoo is covering the leaders in a long
distance race, they are either too close so that they are throwing snow unto the tracks and onto racers' faces. Not to mention all that fume can't be good. Why can't they stay at least a hundred yard ahead of the racers and use a telephoto? Imagine running behind a car for 45, 90k and sucking all that exhaust. I think it was 45k women's Vasaloppet when after making a huge break, Bjorgen and Pedersen were coming up a hill right behind a skidoo which was way too close and throwing snow onto the tracks, causing Pedersen to fall. |
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The Dutch Europsort commentator for Vasaloppet, Gijsbregt Brouwer, after
exactly your question on the Eurosport forum, said that on the flip side the leaders also get to enjoy a bit of a draft, more than the following pack. Snow they are used to and should be dressed for anyways. Fumes, I don't know whether the skier notice those, how those flow. I do know there was a leading MX bike bike ones, and me 30s behind it was totally getting ill from it's fumes. Engine was obviously using a lot of or running dry, one of those two, I'm no bike mechanic. Not sure what the state of technology is, but an electric vehicle would look professional, and be more silent as a big bonus for television coverage. Actually hearing the ski's and poles on the snow, the athlete's breathing. In road cycling the speeds make that pretty much impossible unless on a climb, I supposed with XC skiing even the flats could get superb sound from a dead silent skidoo. "ellis" schreef in bericht ... It seems to me that everytime a skidoo is covering the leaders in a long distance race, they are either too close so that they are throwing snow unto the tracks and onto racers' faces. Not to mention all that fume can't be good. Why can't they stay at least a hundred yard ahead of the racers and use a telephoto? Imagine running behind a car for 45, 90k and sucking all that exhaust. I think it was 45k women's Vasaloppet when after making a huge break, Bjorgen and Pedersen were coming up a hill right behind a skidoo which was way too close and throwing snow onto the tracks, causing Pedersen to fall. |
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Jan Gerrit Klok writes:
Jan The Dutch Europsort commentator for Vasaloppet, Gijsbregt Brouwer, after Jan exactly your question on the Eurosport forum, said that on the flip side the Jan leaders also get to enjoy a bit of a draft, more than the following pack. Jan Snow they are used to and should be dressed for anyways. Fumes, I don't know Jan whether the skier notice those, how those flow. I do know there was a Jan leading MX bike bike ones, and me 30s behind it was totally getting ill from Jan it's fumes. Engine was obviously using a lot of or running dry, one of those Jan two, I'm no bike mechanic. I hate it when anywhere close to a snowmobile. They smell really bad. I can't imagine how horrible it would be to race right behind one, unless there were a very strong cross wind. Jan Not sure what the state of technology is, but an electric vehicle would look Jan professional, and be more silent as a big bonus for television coverage. Jan Actually hearing the ski's and poles on the snow, the athlete's breathing. Jan In road cycling the speeds make that pretty much impossible unless on a Jan climb, I supposed with XC skiing even the flats could get superb sound from Jan a dead silent skidoo. Jan "ellis" schreef in bericht news ... It seems to me that everytime a skidoo is covering the leaders in a long distance race, they are either too close so that they are throwing snow Jan unto the tracks and onto racers' faces. Not to mention all that fume can't be good. Why can't they stay at least a hundred yard ahead of the racers and use a telephoto? Imagine running behind a car for 45, 90k and sucking all that exhaust. I think it was 45k women's Vasaloppet when after making a huge break, Bjorgen and Pedersen were coming up a hill right behind a Jan skidoo which was way too close and throwing snow onto the tracks, causing Jan Pedersen to fall. -- Andrew Hall (Now reading Usenet in rec.skiing.nordic...) |
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ellis wrote:
It seems to me that everytime a skidoo is covering the leaders in a long distance race, they are either too close so that they are throwing snow unto the tracks and onto racers' faces. Not to mention all that fume can't be good. Why can't they stay at least a hundred yard ahead of the racers and use a telephoto? Imagine running behind a car for 45, 90k and sucking all that exhaust. I think it was 45k women's Vasaloppet when after making a huge break, Bjorgen and Pedersen were coming up a hill right behind a skidoo which was way too close and throwing snow onto the tracks, causing Pedersen to fall. The fumes would be awful, particularly at close range. Skidoos are typically running on very very grotty 2-stroke engines and, like jet-skis on water, should be banned for environmental reasons alone. (Though the utility of a skidoo for reaching/rescuing injured people in the snow is obviously a necessity). Chris |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:53:30 +1000, Chris Cole
wrote: ellis wrote: It seems to me that everytime a skidoo is covering the leaders in a long distance race, they are either too close so that they are throwing snow unto the tracks and onto racers' faces. Not to mention all that fume can't be good. Why can't they stay at least a hundred yard ahead of the racers and use a telephoto? Imagine running behind a car for 45, 90k and sucking all that exhaust. I think it was 45k women's Vasaloppet when after making a huge break, Bjorgen and Pedersen were coming up a hill right behind a skidoo which was way too close and throwing snow onto the tracks, causing Pedersen to fall. The fumes would be awful, particularly at close range. Skidoos are typically running on very very grotty 2-stroke engines and, like jet-skis on water, should be banned for environmental reasons alone. (Though the utility of a skidoo for reaching/rescuing injured people in the snow is obviously a necessity). Chris I'm not a snowmobiler but where I live I'm surrounded by them. I would guess from the engine sounds that they were using 4 stroke models at the Olympics. They're a lot less smelly 9and noisy) than the two strokers. The advantage of not using a telephoto is that you get a better feel for how fast the skiers are going. With a telephoto the the background and foreground are so compressed that even when the skiers are really flying they don't look that way. g.c. |
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I watched them setting up the snowmobiles used for TV coverage at the World
Cup at Sovereign Lake in December. They fitted them with tall smoke stacks so that the exhaust would be vented above the level of the skiers. What amazed me was how much oily smoke was coming out of the stack. I guess that smoke normally get vented into the snow where it stays until spring when is washed down into our water supply. Scott "Chris Cole" wrote in message ... ellis wrote: It seems to me that everytime a skidoo is covering the leaders in a long distance race, they are either too close so that they are throwing snow unto the tracks and onto racers' faces. Not to mention all that fume can't be good. Why can't they stay at least a hundred yard ahead of the racers and use a telephoto? Imagine running behind a car for 45, 90k and sucking all that exhaust. I think it was 45k women's Vasaloppet when after making a huge break, Bjorgen and Pedersen were coming up a hill right behind a skidoo which was way too close and throwing snow onto the tracks, causing Pedersen to fall. The fumes would be awful, particularly at close range. Skidoos are typically running on very very grotty 2-stroke engines and, like jet-skis on water, should be banned for environmental reasons alone. (Though the utility of a skidoo for reaching/rescuing injured people in the snow is obviously a necessity). Chris |
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The machines at Vasaloppet and others certainly don't have those "stacks"
.... I personally think they are 4 stroke engines as ALL snowmobiles should be. Want a check on snowmobile exhaust pollution? Ski on a snowmobile trail for an hour then do a warm wax scrape on your skis. It comes of a nice brownish black color. YUCK JK "Scott Elliot" wrote in message news:rpJUf.1013$Ph4.475@edtnps90... I watched them setting up the snowmobiles used for TV coverage at the World Cup at Sovereign Lake in December. They fitted them with tall smoke stacks so that the exhaust would be vented above the level of the skiers. What amazed me was how much oily smoke was coming out of the stack. I guess that smoke normally get vented into the snow where it stays until spring when is washed down into our water supply. Scott "Chris Cole" wrote in message ... ellis wrote: It seems to me that everytime a skidoo is covering the leaders in a long distance race, they are either too close so that they are throwing snow unto the tracks and onto racers' faces. Not to mention all that fume can't be good. Why can't they stay at least a hundred yard ahead of the racers and use a telephoto? Imagine running behind a car for 45, 90k and sucking all that exhaust. I think it was 45k women's Vasaloppet when after making a huge break, Bjorgen and Pedersen were coming up a hill right behind a skidoo which was way too close and throwing snow onto the tracks, causing Pedersen to fall. The fumes would be awful, particularly at close range. Skidoos are typically running on very very grotty 2-stroke engines and, like jet-skis on water, should be banned for environmental reasons alone. (Though the utility of a skidoo for reaching/rescuing injured people in the snow is obviously a necessity). Chris |
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If snowmobile manufacturer would come up with an electric version, a great
chance to make some super-positive promotion, I would say? The required speeds are not outrageous, I guestimate a well-made electric skidoo might even complete all of the Vasaloppet on one set of batteries? Electric family cars handle longer distances in city traffic, always accelerating, and doing higher average speeds. "32 degrees" schreef in bericht ... The machines at Vasaloppet and others certainly don't have those "stacks" ... I personally think they are 4 stroke engines as ALL snowmobiles should be. Want a check on snowmobile exhaust pollution? Ski on a snowmobile trail for an hour then do a warm wax scrape on your skis. It comes of a nice brownish black color. YUCK JK |
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Jan Gerrit Klok wrote:
If snowmobile manufacturer would come up with an electric version, a great chance to make some super-positive promotion, I would say? The required speeds are not outrageous, I guestimate a well-made electric skidoo might even complete all of the Vasaloppet on one set of batteries? Absolutely no way! My father was part of a firm importing electric cars to Norway, the size/weight/cost of batteries are still the (only) limiting factor even for roling along on perfectly paved roads. Electric family cars handle longer distances in city traffic, always accelerating, and doing higher average speeds. Average speed is _very_ comparable, and the rolling friction of a studded belt vs. well-inflated rubber tires is at least 2 to 10 times worse. :-( Terje -- - "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching" |
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"Terje Mathisen" schreef in bericht ... Absolutely no way! My father was part of a firm importing electric cars to Norway, the size/weight/cost of batteries are still the (only) limiting factor even for roling along on perfectly paved roads. Average speed is _very_ comparable, and the rolling friction of a studded belt vs. well-inflated rubber tires is at least 2 to 10 times worse. :-( Hmm, that's too bad! For the perfectly groomed trails those ski's seem to use for all the Vasaloppet, is that studded belt even required? I can see how it's the uptimum in grip and tracking, of course. I already figured maybe a battery or vehicle change would be required once or twice over the course to keep batterry weight down. Oh well, it would just be nice to have a prefectly silent machine to do the (otherwise outstanding) camera work. Anyone have a golf cart to tinker with? |
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