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Chuck wrote:
pigo wrote: "Mary Malmros" wrote in message ... Snowboarding is one of pigo's hot-buttons. There are plenty of others who have legit objections to some common snowboard behaviors but aren't worked up about it, so be careful not to dismiss anyone who _does_ object as being "so worked up". Behaviors are something I can deal with on an individual basis. But that doesn't mean that I can't recognize behaviors that run in packs. But I can take care of myself, I feel sorrier for the women and children that are "accidently" run over more often according to my observance. Yah, when I said "hot button" I didn't mean that your objections aren't based in reality...just that, well, you _do_ jerk the knee whenever snowboarding is mentioned. And weren't you the guy who bragged about slush-splashing a bunch of riders in a parking lot just 'cuz? What I don't like (again) is the traffic pattern and effect on the under foot snow. Neither my stepson nor myself have ever been run into by another skier or boarder. My wife OTOH gets hit by as boarder nearly every time we go skiing. Usually in a slow skiing area such as the approach to a lift by someone sliding out of control and way too fast for the area. I would have to say I generally agree with your observations. I've been hit three times in my life, all by skiers, twice while I was snowboarding ;-) Twice was on a learning hill, once (while I was on skis) was just a real clueless individual. I was very lucky to get out of that one without a bad hurt! -- Mary Malmros Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug. |
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"Mary Malmros" wrote in message ... Yah, when I said "hot button" I didn't mean that your objections aren't based in reality...just that, well, you _do_ jerk the knee whenever snowboarding is mentioned. And weren't you the guy who bragged about slush-splashing a bunch of riders in a parking lot just 'cuz? Actually it was someone else that was present. Not that the crayons has terrain or snow worth worrying about. But it was funny. What I don't like (again) is the traffic pattern and effect on the under foot snow. Neither my stepson nor myself have ever been run into by another skier or boarder. My wife OTOH gets hit by as boarder nearly every time we go skiing. Usually in a slow skiing area such as the approach to a lift by someone sliding out of control and way too fast for the area. I would have to say I generally agree with your observations. I've been hit three times in my life, all by skiers, twice while I was snowboarding ;-) Twice was on a learning hill, once (while I was on skis) was just a real clueless individual. I was very lucky to get out of that one without a bad hurt! Personally I've only had close calls with snowboarders. But I haven't interacted with them in years. But I'm a guy and I pointed my poles at them when I saw them coming (I do the same with skiers careening down the hill). But I can also still cruise with some amount of comfort because I know, for the most part, the "flow" of traffic. I can also ski it the trees without avoiding the large built up banked turns that go across the falline. I can also ski areas of old or cut up powder that is still soft and deep, not smooshed flat. It's amazing how quiet ski areas are too. |
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In article , pigo says...
//snip// I ski at two that are very popular and highly rated for their own reasons. They don't allow boards. Um, isn't Alta losing skier-days? And doesn't DV not give a **** about skier generated revenue (Real Estate is their Raison d'être). Thought so. BoftheW |
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Mary Malmros wrote:
Yah, when I said "hot button" I didn't mean that your objections aren't based in reality...just that, well, you _do_ jerk the knee whenever snowboarding is mentioned. And weren't you the guy who bragged about slush-splashing a bunch of riders in a parking lot just 'cuz? Nope, not me. I have better manners than that. -- To reply by email remove "_nospam" |
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Mary Malmros wrote:
Chuck wrote: Neither my stepson nor myself have ever been run into by another skier or boarder. My wife OTOH gets hit by as boarder nearly every time we go skiing. Usually in a slow skiing area such as the approach to a lift by someone sliding out of control and way too fast for the area. I would have to say I generally agree with your observations... ...I have not found them ALL to be jerks though (but an inordinate number seem to be). An inordinate number of everybody is jerks, just like 80% of everything is crap. I've been hit three times in my life, all by skiers, twice while I was snowboarding ;-) Twice was on a learning hill, once (while I was on skis) was just a real clueless individual. I was very lucky to get out of that one without a bad hurt! Twice, sort of. The first one was almost like a dance routine on skis. He turned left, I turned right, and we smashed together. Neither of us could figure out what happened, but no injuries. The second one was with a boarder, and we both survived by bailing at the last minute. Really nice kid, he offered to help me up. -- Cheers, Bev *********************************************** "A complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working." -- Tanuki |
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"BoftheW" wrote in message ... In article , pigo says... //snip// I ski at two that are very popular and highly rated for their own reasons. They don't allow boards. Um, isn't Alta losing skier-days? And doesn't DV not give a **** about skier generated revenue (Real Estate is their Raison d'être). Thought so. Well Alta is putting in new chairs and seems to be doing fine. Their mission statement on their website say that they intend to continue delivering a quality SKIING experience. It doesn't really matter to me any way. If there are no ski areas available to me, I quit skiing. I start working on a couple of thousand days of my next compulsion. |
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"The Real Bev" wrote in message ... Mary Malmros wrote: Chuck wrote: Neither my stepson nor myself have ever been run into by another skier or boarder. My wife OTOH gets hit by as boarder nearly every time we go skiing. Usually in a slow skiing area such as the approach to a lift by someone sliding out of control and way too fast for the area. I would have to say I generally agree with your observations... ...I have not found them ALL to be jerks though (but an inordinate number seem to be). An inordinate number of everybody is jerks, just like 80% of everything is crap. 90%. I've been hit three times in my life, all by skiers, twice while I was snowboarding ;-) Twice was on a learning hill, once (while I was on skis) was just a real clueless individual. I was very lucky to get out of that one without a bad hurt! Twice, sort of. The first one was almost like a dance routine on skis. He turned left, I turned right, and we smashed together. Neither of us could figure out what happened, but no injuries. The second one was with a boarder, and we both survived by bailing at the last minute. Really nice kid, he offered to help me up. My worst collision fall: I was coming down the last intermediate pitch at Snow Summit making too many turns and I fell into a rhythm with another kier to my right. We clicked into a series of double-S turns. Then he fell, one of his skis flew off landed across my skis right in front of the binding toe pieces. Both my skis stopped and released, and I did a nice three-quarter somersault onto my back. We both got up laughing. |
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Chuck wrote:
Mary Malmros wrote: Yah, when I said "hot button" I didn't mean that your objections aren't based in reality...just that, well, you _do_ jerk the knee whenever snowboarding is mentioned. And weren't you the guy who bragged about slush-splashing a bunch of riders in a parking lot just 'cuz? Nope, not me. I have better manners than that. I wasn't replying to you, Chuck. -- Mary Malmros Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug. |
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pigo wrote: "Bob" wrote in message ... "pigo" wrote in message ... "uglymoney" wrote in message ... I've had too many collisions and have given up. I won't pass a boarder on the healside. They win. What you have to do is point your pole at them. It's amazing how much control someone gains when your ski pole is pointed at them. That's a fine fantasy, but if you come up on a boarder on his heelside, he's not going to see your pole. That's their problem. And you wouldn't believe how much their eyesight improves when theres a pole pointing at them. Besides it's their job NOT TO HIT ME at that point. I'm a big enough guy that they don't run into me as much as they do women and children. I've skied with folks on this group and used the point the pole method whether moving or stopped. It works. Assault with a ski pole is probably a crime. It's not assult to have my pole sticking out to one degree or another. It they don't like it they can just stay more than 50" away from me. It work on skiers too. The problems with boarders/skiers is that they don't understand each other. Skiers can't see behind them. Boarders can't see on their heelside. Skiers should be aware that if they approach from a boarders heelside, it is up to them to allow safety space. One of the worst falls I've had boarding was when a skier clipped me on the backside while I was on a toe turn. The first I saw of him was the back of his skis as I went over backwards. I saw stars on that one. Boarders can see up the hill part of the time, so they can try to avoid you, but if you come at them from behind, you can surprise them. Boarder are the ones trying to blend into a skiers world. It's their problem. My contention is that they are not compatable. People don't play frisbee on golf courses during play. Additionally, skiiers and boarders turn differently. Watch and learn for your own safety. ****'em. They have to learn. But I don't ski where toys are allowed anyway. I like soft snow. pigo Wow! That is really inspiring! And to think that I wanted world peace a moment ago. Now I see the light... anyone different than me sucks!!! That will make my life easier, now. Thanks for the good karma and peace out (oops, I mean rock on). RAC |
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Bob wrote: "pigo" wrote in message news:VO-dnXrvMK5BDXvcRVn- NO! I don't. I haven't skied at an area that allows boards in years. If Alta goes I move to the beach. Do you suppose those surfers will mind if I kayak in "their" waves? From what I've heard from my kayaker friends, the surfers are very hard to deal with. I really can't imagine why anyone would get so worked up about snowboarders. I co-existed with them for years before I took up the challenge of riding. It's certainly your loss if you choose to respond this way. As I understand it, most resorts would go out of business without the boarders. They are saving both sports. Bob Bottom line is that not much of the better terrain out west is snowboard -friendly anyhow. Most of what I ski has little snowboard traffic. Probably for two reasons: traverses and bumps. If a snowboarder is good enough to deal with these two hurdles, he can hang with me anytime, anyplace. Some of my favorite sliders to enjoy the hill with are snowboarders. Get over it or I will have to sic Wallace on you... he pulled his own head out of his ass and I bet he can help you, too, pigo. RAC |
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