Ski for use on ice-covered lakes?

Hi,
I don't have access to a ski shop so would anyone be so kind as to
suggest a ski for the following conditions:

-On lakes in the spring after the weather has turned warm and the
surface is flat.
-Can have hard or soft ice or a covering of up to an inch of corn snow
..
-I skate at a leisurly pace for about 1 1/2 hours.
-185 pounds, quite fit 59 years of age.
-Temperature within about 10 degrees of freezing.
-I'm now using 205 or 210 classic or combi skis but need some edge
hold.

Is there a skateable ski with a metal edge? No one seems to know.

Would a 60-50-60 ski with a metal edge similar to the Fischer NC
Explorer or Madshus Multigrip Pellestova do the trick?

Thanks.

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Mike Sandrin wrote:
Hi,
I don't have access to a ski shop so would anyone be so kind as to
suggest a ski for the following conditions:

-On lakes in the spring after the weather has turned warm and the
surface is flat.
-Can have hard or soft ice or a covering of up to an inch of corn snow
.
-I skate at a leisurly pace for about 1 1/2 hours.
-185 pounds, quite fit 59 years of age.
-Temperature within about 10 degrees of freezing.
-I'm now using 205 or 210 classic or combi skis but need some edge
hold.

Is there a skateable ski with a metal edge? No one seems to know.

_ Maybe, anything with a metal edge is probably going to have the
wrong flex for high performance skating.


Would a 60-50-60 ski with a metal edge similar to the Fischer NC
Explorer or Madshus Multigrip Pellestova do the trick?


_ That's probably your best bet if you can find a pair without
the no-wax base. While I do some BC skating on nowax skis, I
can't really recommend it. What you might look for are so-called
camber and a half skis with a waxable base. The old Karhu
pinancle comes to mind. Whether you can live the with flex
of theses skis is something only you can answer.

_ As a last resort and a bargain bin experiment you might try
some of the really short ( 100cm ) alpine trick skis that were
popular a few years ago. They'd be a bit heavy, but the flex
would probably be really good. They might be too wide though.

_ Good Luck!

_ Booker C. Bense

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On 10 Apr 2004, Mike Sandrin wrote:

Hi,
I don't have access to a ski shop so would anyone be so kind as to
suggest a ski for the following conditions:

-On lakes in the spring after the weather has turned warm and the
surface is flat.
-Can have hard or soft ice or a covering of up to an inch of corn snow
.

Is there a skateable ski with a metal edge? No one seems to know.

Would a 60-50-60 ski with a metal edge similar to the Fischer NC
Explorer or Madshus Multigrip Pellestova do the trick?

I have Madshus Voss (60-50-55) skis with metal edges. I was
skiing on fairly hard lakes with corn snow 2 weeks ago but it was
classic. I tried skate-skiing for a few strokes but found it very tiring.
These skis are probably too heavy for extensive skate-skiing.
But then, I don't skate-ski :-)

But if the ice is too hard for skiing (classic or skate), there are
faster and more fun ways of travelling across lakes:
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/dermott/...ics/index.html
or if it's real hard:
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/dermott/ski/almgrens.jpg

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David Dermott , Wolfville Ridge, Nova Scotia, Canada
email:
WWW pages: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/dermott/

Mike Sandrin wrote:
Hi,
I don't have access to a ski shop so would anyone be so kind as to
suggest a ski for the following conditions:

-On lakes in the spring after the weather has turned warm and the
surface is flat.
-Can have hard or soft ice or a covering of up to an inch of corn snow
.
-I skate at a leisurly pace for about 1 1/2 hours.
-185 pounds, quite fit 59 years of age.
-Temperature within about 10 degrees of freezing.
-I'm now using 205 or 210 classic or combi skis but need some edge
hold.

Is there a skateable ski with a metal edge? No one seems to know.

Would a 60-50-60 ski with a metal edge similar to the Fischer NC
Explorer or Madshus Multigrip Pellestova do the trick?

There is also a kind of skates the Swedes use (larger and longer ones
with 3-pin bindings. They use them to go out in frozen sea - and lakes i
presume) ....

Greetings,

Ulrich

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reply to: uhausmannATbluemailDOTch

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Ulrich Hausmann wrote:

There is also a kind of skates the Swedes use (larger and longer ones
with 3-pin bindings. They use them to go out in frozen sea - and lakes i
presume) ....

The bindings on skates for 3-pinned boots are usually fixed-heel.
The latest development is the use of SNS or NNN bindings/boots
(free-heel), which is what I have:
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/dermott/ski/almgrens.jpg

Apparently, most people buying new skates in Sweden are getting the
free-heel systems. I've also read that the manufacturers of the skate
blades can not keep up with the demand.

Some info in English:
http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/info/timonice.html

The North American expert is Jamie Hess:

http://www.webskater.org/

Some photo albums of Swedish skating clubs:

http://www.llk.se/foto/
http://www.bahnhof.se/~robberts/
http://www.frilufts.se/stockholm/alliansen/album/

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David Dermott , Wolfville Ridge, Nova Scotia, Canada
email:
WWW pages: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/dermott/

Hi David,

thanks for the interesting infos. Once i saw a swedish girl here, buying
a Rottefella 3-pin NN75 for her skates. That ones, definitely, were free
heel. So, i had the idea ...

But, for sure you're right.

With the equipment, you e.g. are using, skating on ice (in long distance
runs) would be very similiar to cross country skiing, wouldn't it (and
therefor, probably, a good solution for the question the original poster
asked)?

Greetings,

Ulrich

David Dermott wrote:

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Ulrich Hausmann wrote:


There is also a kind of skates the Swedes use (larger and longer ones
with 3-pin bindings. They use them to go out in frozen sea - and lakes i
presume) ....


The bindings on skates for 3-pinned boots are usually fixed-heel.
The latest development is the use of SNS or NNN bindings/boots
(free-heel), which is what I have:
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/dermott/ski/almgrens.jpg

Apparently, most people buying new skates in Sweden are getting the
free-heel systems. I've also read that the manufacturers of the skate
blades can not keep up with the demand.

Some info in English:
http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/info/timonice.html

The North American expert is Jamie Hess:

http://www.webskater.org/

Some photo albums of Swedish skating clubs:

http://www.llk.se/foto/
http://www.bahnhof.se/~robberts/
http://www.frilufts.se/stockholm/alliansen/album/


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reply to: uhausmannATbluemailDOTch

Ulrich Hausmann wrote:
There is also a kind of skates the Swedes use (larger and longer ones
with 3-pin bindings. They use them to go out in frozen sea - and lakes i
presume) ....

David Dermott wrote:
The bindings on skates for 3-pinned boots are usually fixed-heel.
The latest development is the use of SNS or NNN bindings/boots
(free-heel), which is what I have:
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/dermott/ski/almgrens.jpg

Apparently, most people buying new skates in Sweden are getting the
free-heel systems. I've also read that the manufacturers of the skate
blades can not keep up with the demand.

Some photo albums of Swedish skating clubs:
http://www.frilufts.se/stockholm/alliansen/album/

Found this photo on a page in your link:
http://www.frilufts.se/stockholm/all...n/pages/22.htm

Ed Huesers
http://www.grandshelters.com

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Ed Huesers wrote:

Some photo albums of Swedish skating clubs:
http://www.frilufts.se/stockholm/alliansen/album/

Found this photo on a page in your link:
http://www.frilufts.se/stockholm/all...n/pages/22.htm


"Walking on water" !!

There's a little joke for 2 previous photos on that page (#19 and #20)
"Oops - wait a sec., the picture should be THIS way" (picture 19 was
upside down)

Rough translation of commentary for this page:

Båven (large lake about 60 km south-west of Stockholm) -Jan 26 2003

With the help of 2 busses we went to Båven's southern end in order to
be able to skate with a tailwind to Penningby Cove where the busses
waited for us.
Along Båven's shores are many castles, fine nature and a rich bird
life. The ice was well lubricated (by light rain in early morning), hard and
really smooth. This gave an unbelievable glide in the tailwind as seen in
this filmclip (27 sec 2 MB).
The tour ended in sunshine and several leaders said that they had not
experienced such fine ice in many years.

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David Dermott , Wolfville Ridge, Nova Scotia, Canada
email:
WWW pages: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/dermott/

In article ,
Ed Huesers wrote:

Found this photo on a page in your link:
http://www.frilufts.se/stockholm/all...n/pages/22.htm

Ahhhh...Those who skied the Gatineau 55 in its last year will
look at that picture, and remember "The Meach Lake Swim".. But I
think the water was deeper on Meach.

-Pete

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