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Snow Board Bindings
Hey guys..
i was wondering if anyone had some intel on what were the best bindings to buy overall and also what were the best coming out this year. i am heading to whistler for the season, so would like to get some good all round bindings. I generally like to stick with the powder as much as possible. Some that look good are the Burton p1's... anyway, any comments appreciated.. Cheers J |
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Jeremy Holt wrote:
Hey guys.. i was wondering if anyone had some intel on what were the best bindings to buy overall and also what were the best coming out this year. Bomber TD2 step-ins. But maybe you're looking for some inefficient softie bindings, in which case it really depends on what you want to do. More details about your riding style would help the softie gurus. Neil |
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Neil Gendzwill wrote:
Jeremy Holt wrote: Hey guys.. i was wondering if anyone had some intel on what were the best bindings to buy overall and also what were the best coming out this year. Bomber TD2 step-ins. But maybe you're looking for some inefficient softie bindings, in which case it really depends on what you want to do. More details about your riding style would help the softie gurus. Neil SARCASM Yeah, those stiffer boots certainly performed at the Olympic boarder cross. Just about as well as they perform at our regional events. /SARCASM In my families collection we have: Nitro MiniPro's Ride LS (Child) Arcane Step-in's Drake F-50 Lady Burton Mission's Dark Salomon SPX Pro Ride Tomcat TechNine Ali Goulet SnowPro SP's Bindings with the most use: TechNine Ali Goulet Arcane Step-in's Salomon SPX Pro Drake F-50 Lady Ride LS (Child) Service History: Drake F-50 Lady - Lost/replaced screw from ankle strap Burton Mission's Dark - Snapped ankle strap, lost flad TechNine Ali Goulet - Ladders and ratchets need replaced yearly. Lost screw attaching ankle strap SnowPro - Replace ladders yearly. They are way soft. Observations: The build quality on the Rides are exceptional, but are stiff and heavy. My son loves the Salomon's feel and uses them for general riding and goofing off. Tough, light, nice. TechNine was O.k. because of their warranty, but the company is becoming more difficult to deal with. SnowPro's are difficult to adjust (Million hole plate with none of the holes in the right spot) and have soft ladders which get ripped up. Just picked up some Nitro Raiden's and will let the group know latter. |
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Christopher Cox wrote:
SARCASM Yeah, those stiffer boots certainly performed at the Olympic boarder cross. Just about as well as they perform at our regional events. /SARCASM Jasey-jay Anderson, #1 sbx in the world cup last year on hardboots, #2 the previous year. Didn't have a great olympics, it's true (5th, I think?) Anyways, both systems can work OK in sbx, depending on the course. Neil |
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Neil Gendzwill wrote:
Christopher Cox wrote: SARCASM Yeah, those stiffer boots certainly performed at the Olympic boarder cross. Just about as well as they perform at our regional events. /SARCASM Jasey-jay Anderson, #1 sbx in the world cup last year on hardboots, #2 the previous year. Didn't have a great olympics, it's true (5th, I think?) Anyways, both systems can work OK in sbx, depending on the course. Neil And the rider. A riders talent with a said system seems to be the overwhelming factor in determing how well they do. As it should be...:-) Later! |
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Christopher Cox wrote:
Neil Gendzwill wrote: Anyways, both systems can work OK in sbx, depending on the course. And the rider. A riders talent with a said system seems to be the overwhelming factor in determing how well they do. Jasey-jay is a phenom anyway you slice it. However, hardboot systems are better at turning, softboots at jumping. At events like PGS where you have to turn hard on a rutted, icy course and the penalty for a bad turn is often a DQ, soft boots just don't cut it no matter who's driving. That's why nobody races PGS at a world cup level in softies. SBX is a combination of turning and jumping skills (and a few other things). Course design can strongly affect which system works better by emphasizing one skill or the other. My understanding is that there is some deliberate design work going on in SBX courses to make them more softie-competitive. This may be a marketing thing as the vast majority of riders don't relate to hard boots. But you've still got to be able to turn, and you can't make the jumps too ridiculous, so the hardbooters are still in there. If the jumps and berms were flattened out a little, the softie riders would be hard-pressed to keep up. Many recreational riders don't do a lot of jumping, but everyone has to turn. That's why I advocate hard boots for all-mountain riding, as I think they're an option most people aren't even aware of. Neil |
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Neil Gendzwill wrote:
Many recreational riders don't do a lot of jumping, but everyone has to turn. That's why I advocate hard boots for all-mountain riding, as I think they're an option most people aren't even aware of. which is hardly a surprise, given the fact that most big sports have 98% of their shelves filled with softies and maybe 2 or 3 pairs of hardboots hidden somewhere back in a corner. at least that's the way it is here in germany... i had to search quite a bit 2 years ago to find a pair of hardboots with a half-decent fit. m -- np: Ricardo Marrero & The Group - A Taste Of Latin ICQ# 8140105 public GnuPG/PGP key available @ http://dolic.com/pubkey.asc |
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Neil Gendzwill wrote:
Christopher Cox wrote: Neil Gendzwill wrote: Anyways, both systems can work OK in sbx, depending on the course. And the rider. A riders talent with a said system seems to be the overwhelming factor in determing how well they do. Jasey-jay is a phenom anyway you slice it. However, hardboot systems are better at turning, softboots at jumping. At events like PGS where you have to turn hard on a rutted, icy course and the penalty for a bad turn is often a DQ, soft boots just don't cut it no matter who's driving. That's why nobody races PGS at a world cup level in softies. SBX is a combination of turning and jumping skills (and a few other things). Course design can strongly affect which system works better by emphasizing one skill or the other. My understanding is that there is some deliberate design work going on in SBX courses to make them more softie-competitive. This may be a marketing thing as the vast majority of riders don't relate to hard boots. But you've still got to be able to turn, and you can't make the jumps too ridiculous, so the hardbooters are still in there. If the jumps and berms were flattened out a little, the softie riders would be hard-pressed to keep up. Many recreational riders don't do a lot of jumping, but everyone has to turn. That's why I advocate hard boots for all-mountain riding, as I think they're an option most people aren't even aware of. Neil Hello Neil, I would agree that allot of the general boarding public is not aware of the hard boot option. That being said, you may being selling the hardcore soft booter's short. In S and GS, I have seen soft booters squeeze their knees together around corners, bending the board, allowing for a much tighter turn. One of the most inventive, and humorous, technique was a guy who bent down, leaned forward lifting the back of the board up, and lifted the front of the board up with his hand while in the straights. This minimized the amount of board that was in contact with the snow allowing him to go faster. Amazing Talent. I am not selling hard boot riders short. If they know how to ride, they are FAST, way fast. Chris |
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Markus Dolic wrote:
Neil Gendzwill wrote: Many recreational riders don't do a lot of jumping, but everyone has to turn. That's why I advocate hard boots for all-mountain riding, as I think they're an option most people aren't even aware of. which is hardly a surprise, given the fact that most big sports have 98% of their shelves filled with softies and maybe 2 or 3 pairs of hardboots hidden somewhere back in a corner. at least that's the way it is here in germany... i had to search quite a bit 2 years ago to find a pair of hardboots with a half-decent fit. Yes. But now the hardboot crowd has the internet, which allows us to pool our resources and get stuff. You can get equipment through a half-dozen online suppliers, and the community is strong through online forums like bomberonline. But I don't think it's getting much bigger. Neil |
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Christopher Cox wrote:
That being said, you may being selling the hardcore soft booter's short. No, the guys that are good can be amazingly good. But they still won't hack it on a world cup PGS course. There's a limit to the equipment. In S and GS, I have seen soft booters squeeze their knees together around corners, bending the board, allowing for a much tighter turn. I'm not sure that's actually bending the board, more that the board is being bent hard in the turn allowing them to get their knees together. In hardbooting it's not considered especially good technique - knees apart is better. One of the most inventive, and humorous, technique was a guy who bent down, leaned forward lifting the back of the board up, and lifted the front of the board up with his hand while in the straights. This minimized the amount of board that was in contact with the snow allowing him to go faster. I'm not convinced that would actually let him go faster. Longer running surface is generally better for glide, which is one reason why DH and speed skis are so long. Plus I'm trying to imagine keeping any kind of aerodynamic position while doing that, and failing... Neil |
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