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Rossi Factory Grind
I picked up a pair of Rossi Delta NIS Skate skis this season, and I'm
wondering about the default factory grind. Out of the box, these skis scoot really well in temps over 20 degrees, but have a significant degradation in performance as the temps decrease--more than I would expect. I'm working in LOTS of the harder waxes (Fastwax Teal and White), and the skis are getting better, but I'm wondering, with the factory grind, what's the best I can expect in the low teen's to single digits? I'm suspecting the skis come with a warmer grind......or maybe I'm just impatient and just need to shut up and ski more?? Eric |
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Rossi Factory Grind
Check Zach at Caldwell Sports Specialties or Mark W at Nordic Ultratune
Systems. Both ae grind gurus and Mark also sells Rossi. "Eric N." wrote: I picked up a pair of Rossi Delta NIS Skate skis this season, and I'm wondering about the default factory grind. Out of the box, these skis scoot really well in temps over 20 degrees, but have a significant degradation in performance as the temps decrease--more than I would expect. I'm working in LOTS of the harder waxes (Fastwax Teal and White), and the skis are getting better, but I'm wondering, with the factory grind, what's the best I can expect in the low teen's to single digits? I'm suspecting the skis come with a warmer grind......or maybe I'm just impatient and just need to shut up and ski more?? Eric |
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On Dec 25, 7:13*pm, wrote:
Check Zach at Caldwell Sports Specialties or Mark W at Nordic Ultratune Systems. Both ae grind gurus and Mark also sells Rossi. "Eric N." wrote: I picked up a pair of Rossi Delta NIS Skate skis this season, and I'm wondering about the default factory grind. *Out of the box, these skis scoot really well in temps over 20 degrees, but have a significant degradation in performance as the temps decrease--more than I would expect. *I'm working in LOTS of the harder waxes (Fastwax Teal and White), and the skis are getting better, but I'm wondering, with the factory grind, what's the best I can expect in the low teen's to single digits? *I'm suspecting the skis come with a warmer grind......or maybe I'm just impatient and just need to shut up and ski more?? Eric- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Good point re Zach or Mark. Zack/Boulder Noridc discount grind and hot box prep with new ski purhcase and Mark includes grind and hot box prep with his pricing of new skis. The other benefit is getting skis that work (fit). No sense in cut corners on price when spending a lot for new skis. The only downside is the time it takes to get new skis. |
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Rossi Factory Grind
It is easy to press or cut rills into skis. My experience has been that it
is much harder to take out rills, especially the aggressive warm grinds. The rills go much deeper than you'd think. Basically all I could accomplish was to 'round' off the top of the rills. Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I've tried using sharp steel scrapers (the Swix blue handled scraper). I've seen pictures of tuners scraping bases and there are long ribbons of black ptex being removed. That didn't happen when I tried to reduce rills. A stone grinder can remove lots of material if necessary, plus has the advantage of keeping the surface flat and even. I believe they first 'blank' your ski, then add in the rilling you desire. If your new skis are running really well in warm conditions, why not consider picking up another pair for cold conditions? It is difficult to fork out more money, but by the time you pay for a 'universal' grind at about $50-$70, you are not too far off from a good used pair of race skis ($150-250) or even another pair of the Deltas, which are $260. Then you'd have fast skis for both warm and cold conditions. Another option would be to go back to the store you bought them at. The good shops know about the 'issues' with certain skis and equipment. Maybe they would give you a discount on a different grind or even exchange the skis. Shops with good reputations stay in business, because they service their customers. Tom at FinnSisu had fast turn arounds when I use to have skis ground there. My guess is less than a week and you'd have them back. -- Paul Haltvick Bay Design and Build - LLC Engineering, Construction and Information Technology Services FSx Midwest - Fischer / Swix Racing "Eric N." wrote in message ... On Dec 27, 9:35 am, wrote: where are you located? there may be someone close who does a decent universal grind. It's a simple matter of taking them over to Tom down at FinnSisu....I'm just not sure I want to have the ski's out of commission, even for only a short time at this point in the season. With my current goals, overall performance will be a bigger issue NEXT year than it is this year, I'm thinking some more elbow grease to get me through the end of the year (they have improved remarkably) , and a fresh uni grind next fall is the best course of action. Had I known this was going to be a significant issue, I would have had them ground when I purchased them. Live and learn I guess. |
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Another option is Fischer SCS skis at $199. But I don't see a cold base
option for either the SCS or Deltas, so additional pair of new skis is probably not an option. -- Paul Haltvick Bay Design and Build - LLC Engineering, Construction and Information Technology Services FSx Midwest - Fischer / Swix Racing "Norski" wrote in message et... It is easy to press or cut rills into skis. My experience has been that it is much harder to take out rills, especially the aggressive warm grinds. The rills go much deeper than you'd think. Basically all I could accomplish was to 'round' off the top of the rills. Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I've tried using sharp steel scrapers (the Swix blue handled scraper). I've seen pictures of tuners scraping bases and there are long ribbons of black ptex being removed. That didn't happen when I tried to reduce rills. A stone grinder can remove lots of material if necessary, plus has the advantage of keeping the surface flat and even. I believe they first 'blank' your ski, then add in the rilling you desire. If your new skis are running really well in warm conditions, why not consider picking up another pair for cold conditions? It is difficult to fork out more money, but by the time you pay for a 'universal' grind at about $50-$70, you are not too far off from a good used pair of race skis ($150-250) or even another pair of the Deltas, which are $260. Then you'd have fast skis for both warm and cold conditions. Another option would be to go back to the store you bought them at. The good shops know about the 'issues' with certain skis and equipment. Maybe they would give you a discount on a different grind or even exchange the skis. Shops with good reputations stay in business, because they service their customers. Tom at FinnSisu had fast turn arounds when I use to have skis ground there. My guess is less than a week and you'd have them back. -- Paul Haltvick Bay Design and Build - LLC Engineering, Construction and Information Technology Services FSx Midwest - Fischer / Swix Racing "Eric N." wrote in message ... On Dec 27, 9:35 am, wrote: where are you located? there may be someone close who does a decent universal grind. It's a simple matter of taking them over to Tom down at FinnSisu....I'm just not sure I want to have the ski's out of commission, even for only a short time at this point in the season. With my current goals, overall performance will be a bigger issue NEXT year than it is this year, I'm thinking some more elbow grease to get me through the end of the year (they have improved remarkably) , and a fresh uni grind next fall is the best course of action. Had I known this was going to be a significant issue, I would have had them ground when I purchased them. Live and learn I guess. |
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On Dec 25, 9:13 pm, wrote:
Check Zach at Caldwell Sports Specialties or Mark W at Nordic Ultratune Systems. Both ae grind gurus and Mark also sells Rossi. Got a reply back from Mark @ Ultratune, excerpt below: "The Rossignol skis come with a relatively aggressive grind that works well in warmer conditions." "Waxing the skis a lot" often is done with the hope of improving cold weather performance, but what's really happening is that you're slowly wearing down the structure (making it less aggressive)." So it sounds like my hunch was correct (on the factory grind)--not sure if I'm going to go for a re-grind, or just keep working at it for the rest of the season.... ....decisions....decisions..... |
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Rossi Factory Grind
where are you located? there may be someone close who does a decent
universal grind. "Eric N." wrote: On Dec 25, 9:13 pm, wrote: Check Zach at Caldwell Sports Specialties or Mark W at Nordic Ultratune Systems. Both ae grind gurus and Mark also sells Rossi. Got a reply back from Mark @ Ultratune, excerpt below: "The Rossignol skis come with a relatively aggressive grind that works well in warmer conditions." "Waxing the skis a lot" often is done with the hope of improving cold weather performance, but what's really happening is that you're slowly wearing down the structure (making it less aggressive)." So it sounds like my hunch was correct (on the factory grind)--not sure if I'm going to go for a re-grind, or just keep working at it for the rest of the season.... ...decisions....decisions..... |
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On Dec 27, 9:35 am, wrote:
where are you located? there may be someone close who does a decent universal grind. It's a simple matter of taking them over to Tom down at FinnSisu....I'm just not sure I want to have the ski's out of commission, even for only a short time at this point in the season. With my current goals, overall performance will be a bigger issue NEXT year than it is this year, I'm thinking some more elbow grease to get me through the end of the year (they have improved remarkably) , and a fresh uni grind next fall is the best course of action. Had I known this was going to be a significant issue, I would have had them ground when I purchased them. Live and learn I guess. |
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Rossi Factory Grind
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 05:23:09 -0800 (PST), "Eric N."
wrote: On Dec 25, 9:13 pm, wrote: Check Zach at Caldwell Sports Specialties or Mark W at Nordic Ultratune Systems. Both ae grind gurus and Mark also sells Rossi. Got a reply back from Mark @ Ultratune, excerpt below: "The Rossignol skis come with a relatively aggressive grind that works well in warmer conditions." "Waxing the skis a lot" often is done with the hope of improving cold weather performance, but what's really happening is that you're slowly wearing down the structure (making it less aggressive)." So it sounds like my hunch was correct (on the factory grind)--not sure if I'm going to go for a re-grind, or just keep working at it for the rest of the season.... ...decisions....decisions..... If you want to tone done the structure, you can use that razor tool Swix sells which will work quicker than a plexiscraper http://www.akers-ski.com/Merchant2/m..._Code=scrapers |
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Rossi Factory Grind
On Dec 30, 9:12 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote: If you want to tone done the structure, you can use that razor tool Swix sells which will work quicker than a plexiscraper http://www.akers-ski.com/Merchant2/m...ROD&Product_Co... I've actually had the most success doing just that, a few handle-first pulls of the swix tool down the base, followed by base wax, then wax 'o the day--kind of a big production, but it seems to be working. |
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