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The way things used to be...
When I left the east for California in 1970...
My best skis were 208 cm Toni Sailer Fibreglaski downhill skis equipped with Cubco toes and a rotatable heel piece with long-thong bindings. My poles were bamboo. My boots were two-layer lace-up leather. My hands were kept warm (?) with fingerless wool mittens inside fingerless leather shells. My parka was heavy cotton insulated with cotton padding. My pants were baggy wool. I wore a pair of light cotton socks inside heavy wool hunting socks. I wore cotton flannel pajamas as long underwear. Ski areas groomed trails (when they bothered) with a snow-cat pushing a plow or towing a roller. Snow making was still experimental. Lifts were single and double chairs, t-bars, poma platters, and ropes. Areas that had enclosed cabin lifts (Sugarbush, Cannon Mt) charged extra for them. Obstacles in the trail were removed or marked with flags and ropes. The closest thing to a snowboard homebuilt ski-bikes, or the shovels that some of the non-skiing lift operators rode down at the end of their shift. I bought 2 season tickets in my youth - Jay Peak 63-64 for $55, and Cannon Mt. 64-65 for $70. Food was expensive, just like now - hot chocolate 25 cents and cheeseburgers $1.50. Some references. http://www.stowetoday.com/stowe_repo...cc4c002e0.html http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...2029/index.htm http://www.ehow.com/how_6723029_snow_shovel-race.html |
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The way things used to be...
On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 10:03:41 -0800 (PST), Richard Henry
wrote this crap: When I left the east for California in 1970... My best skis were 208 cm Toni Sailer Fibreglaski downhill skis equipped with Cubco toes and a rotatable heel piece with long-thong bindings. My poles were bamboo. My boots were two-layer lace-up leather. My hands were kept warm (?) with fingerless wool mittens inside fingerless leather shells. My parka was heavy cotton insulated with cotton padding. My pants were baggy wool. I wore a pair of light cotton socks inside heavy wool hunting socks. I wore cotton flannel pajamas as long underwear. Ski areas groomed trails (when they bothered) with a snow-cat pushing a plow or towing a roller. Snow making was still experimental. Lifts were single and double chairs, t-bars, poma platters, and ropes. Areas that had enclosed cabin lifts (Sugarbush, Cannon Mt) charged extra for them. Obstacles in the trail were removed or marked with flags and ropes. The closest thing to a snowboard homebuilt ski-bikes, or the shovels that some of the non-skiing lift operators rode down at the end of their shift. I bought 2 season tickets in my youth - Jay Peak 63-64 for $55, and Cannon Mt. 64-65 for $70. Food was expensive, just like now - hot chocolate 25 cents and cheeseburgers $1.50. Such luxury. We made our own skis. We screwed old high top tennis shoes to the skis, no bindings. We brought our own food because we couldn't afford to pay for it, and they didn't sell hot food. Lifts were all rope tows. The lodge was a shack with a fireplace, which was built by the owners themselves in the off season. There was no bar, everyone brought a bottle of booze and we shared. It must be nice to have lived such a life of privilege. Well I'm off to the Yacht Club. I have to check on my yacht after the tsunami. Vote for Palin-Brown in 2012. Repeal the nightmares. This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe |
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The way things used to be...
And here I thought you were going to provide contact info for the cop
you lied to. Obviously, you're performing for someone. Happy to chat with them. I hope you are laughing. On Mar 12, 10:03*am, Richard Henry wrote: When I left the east for California in 1970... My best skis were 208 cm Toni Sailer Fibreglaski downhill skis equipped with Cubco toes and a rotatable heel piece with long-thong bindings. *My poles were bamboo. *My boots were two-layer lace-up leather. *My hands were kept warm (?) with fingerless wool *mittens inside fingerless leather shells. *My parka was heavy cotton insulated with cotton padding. *My pants were baggy wool. *I wore a pair of light cotton socks inside heavy wool hunting socks. I wore cotton flannel pajamas as long underwear. Ski areas groomed trails (when they bothered) with a snow-cat pushing a plow or towing a roller. *Snow making was still experimental. *Lifts were single and double chairs, t-bars, poma platters, and ropes. Areas that had enclosed cabin lifts (Sugarbush, Cannon Mt) charged extra for them. *Obstacles in the trail were removed or marked with flags and ropes. The closest thing to a snowboard homebuilt ski-bikes, or the shovels that some of the non-skiing lift operators rode down at the end of their shift. I bought 2 season tickets in my youth - Jay Peak 63-64 for $55, and Cannon Mt. 64-65 for $70. Food was expensive, just like now - hot chocolate 25 cents and cheeseburgers $1.50. Some references. http://www.stowetoday.com/stowe_repo...cle_7f0d1370-3... http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau.../MAG1072029/in... http://www.ehow.com/how_6723029_snow_shovel-race.html |
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On Mar 12, 12:02*pm, wrote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 10:03:41 -0800 (PST), Richard Henry wrote this crap: When I left the east for California in 1970... My best skis were 208 cm Toni Sailer Fibreglaski downhill skis equipped with Cubco toes and a rotatable heel piece with long-thong bindings. *My poles were bamboo. *My boots were two-layer lace-up leather. *My hands were kept warm (?) with fingerless wool *mittens inside fingerless leather shells. *My parka was heavy cotton insulated with cotton padding. *My pants were baggy wool. *I wore a pair of light cotton socks inside heavy wool hunting socks. I wore cotton flannel pajamas as long underwear. Ski areas groomed trails (when they bothered) with a snow-cat pushing a plow or towing a roller. *Snow making was still experimental. *Lifts were single and double chairs, t-bars, poma platters, and ropes. Areas that had enclosed cabin lifts (Sugarbush, Cannon Mt) charged extra for them. *Obstacles in the trail were removed or marked with flags and ropes. The closest thing to a snowboard homebuilt ski-bikes, or the shovels that some of the non-skiing lift operators rode down at the end of their shift. I bought 2 season tickets in my youth - Jay Peak 63-64 for $55, and Cannon Mt. 64-65 for $70. Food was expensive, just like now - hot chocolate 25 cents and cheeseburgers $1.50. Such luxury. *We made our own skis. *We screwed old high top tennis shoes to the skis, no bindings. *We brought our own food because we couldn't afford to pay for it, and they didn't sell hot food. *Lifts were all rope tows. *The lodge was a shack with a fireplace, which was built by the owners themselves in the off season. *There was no bar, everyone brought a bottle of booze and we shared. *It must be nice to have lived such a life of privilege. Well I'm off to the Yacht Club. *I have to check on my yacht after the tsunami. We skied uphill......both directions. |
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On Mar 12, 11:03*am, Richard Henry wrote:
The closest thing to a snowboard homebuilt ski-bikes, or the shovels that some of the non-skiing lift operators rode down at the end of their shift. That's what I did my first year at Mt. Rose. And I wasn't allowed to ride it while they were open. |
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On 3/12/11 10:03 AM, Richard Henry wrote:
My pants were baggy wool. Mine (in the 50s) were my Dad's "Army Pink" wool WWII officer's pants, re-hemmed up the sides by Mom so they'd be small enough. Actually they were the best clothes item I had since they didn't get cold when wet - every else was whatever seemed warmest in among regular clothes which meant I was pretty much a Popsicle when I finally came in. WWII surplus skis, boot, and poles finished the gear list. The bindings were beartrap toes, cable heels, no release in any direction. I've always wondered where my boot press disappeared to. |
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On 03/12/2011 01:03 PM, Richard Henry wrote:
When I left the east for California in 1970... My best skis were 208 cm Toni Sailer Fibreglaski downhill skis equipped with Cubco toes and a rotatable heel piece with long-thong bindings. My poles were bamboo. My boots were two-layer lace-up leather. My hands were kept warm (?) with fingerless wool mittens inside fingerless leather shells. My parka was heavy cotton insulated with cotton padding. My pants were baggy wool. I wore a pair of light cotton socks inside heavy wool hunting socks. I wore cotton flannel pajamas as long underwear. Who in h*** set you up with that rig? Cubco bindings were no tension type bindings. You were "in" properly when toe and heel were in place and there was no spring tension on the toe piece. The only time the spring came into action was when you started the twisting action of beginning a release. Cubcos were good for not pre-releasing at the toe like so many other bindings of the day (Marker specifically). However, because they had no tension on the spring when you were "in", they often got loose because of this and the variation in boot sole length and flexibility found in boots of the day (remember Cubcos had boot plates screwed to the soles of your boots). Your first reference below mentions Nevada toe pieces. Interesting. The Salomon Driver type toe piece of the last 20 or 30 years is almost a dead on copy of the Nevada II in function except that a change in geometry allows the toe piece to move upward as a release starts as well as horizontally. Sailer skis were around late enough so that you could have used Nevada (I or II) toes with the turntable and had something that was secure. If your boots were good enough so that you didn't need the extra support from the long thong you could have used the really good Nevada heel and actually had a reasonably safe rig. Toni Sailer skis came with a "lifetime" warranty against breaking. We had a customer at the ski shop I worked at in the 60's break (yes Marge, they were physically broken, not just delammed or yanked off edges) three pair. The company paid for a pair of Head Comps after the third pair. Ski areas groomed trails (when they bothered) with a snow-cat pushing a plow or towing a roller. Snow making was still experimental. Lifts were single and double chairs, t-bars, poma platters, and ropes. Areas that had enclosed cabin lifts (Sugarbush, Cannon Mt) charged extra for them. Obstacles in the trail were removed or marked with flags and ropes. I had a "harrowing" experience... litterally. I came down off the mountain on one of the easier trails because following a thaw/freeze cycle it was groomed. Or more precisely being groomed as I was coming down the mountain, with a trail width disk harrow. I almost hit the thing and went off the trail in missing it. Perhaps one of the reasons they don't allow grooming when the ski area is open these days. The closest thing to a snowboard homebuilt ski-bikes, or the shovels that some of the non-skiing lift operators rode down at the end of their shift. Lots of guys I knew loved their shovel rides. There was even a "club" of sorts with shovel riding races, the whole thing. Then I read your reference below I bought 2 season tickets in my youth - Jay Peak 63-64 for $55, and Cannon Mt. 64-65 for $70. I always managed to have some gig that provided a pass for me when I was skiing regularly. Junior program teaching, amateur teaching, pro for at least one year back then. Food was expensive, just like now - hot chocolate 25 cents and cheeseburgers $1.50. Some references. http://www.stowetoday.com/stowe_repo...cc4c002e0.html http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...2029/index.htm http://www.ehow.com/how_6723029_snow_shovel-race.html My favorite skis of all time were 210 cm Kneissl Red Stars with my Head 360s a close second. There is a picture on my FB page from around 1965 with a pair of Hart Javelins with Nevada front and rear. |
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The way things used to be...
On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 12:16:21 -0800 (PST), pigo
wrote this crap: We skied uphill......both directions. While smoking lady cigars? Vote for Palin-Brown in 2012. Repeal the nightmares. This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe |
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The way things used to be...
"VtSkier" wrote in message ... My favorite skis of all time were 210 cm Kneissl Red Stars with my Head 360s a close second. There is a picture on my FB page from around 1965 with a pair of Hart Javelins with Nevada front and rear. I had a pair of 210 Red stars. Those things would fly from turn to turn if you edged them hard. (on eastern hard") They were submarines when I took them to Alta. |
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On Mar 12, 2:48*pm, "Bob F" wrote:
"VtSkier" wrote in message ... My favorite skis of all time were 210 cm Kneissl Red Stars with my Head 360s a close second. There is a picture on my FB page from around 1965 with a pair of Hart Javelins with Nevada front and rear. I had a pair of 210 Red stars. Those things would fly from turn to turn if you edged them hard. (on eastern hard") They were submarines when I took them to Alta. When my brother went to college at Norwich he was on the ski team, so he was then officially "connected" and got a pair of White Stars for next to nothing. |
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