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pigo wrote:
Considering that the rioters are muslims and of African or Arab decent but are actually french citizens, which side gets to surrender? The French had our backs at Yorktown and covered the left wing in Desert Storm. Their defense on the Marne in 1914 was nothing short of spectacular. They proved their mettle at Verdun and cemented that reputation in Indochina. Yet among Bush supporters, the French are surrenderers. Why? Because they weren't as good as the Wehrmacht in 1940? I doubt the US army could have stood up to the Germans that year. French-bashing is a favorite pastime among the neo-con set, but France is not only our oldest ally, but a valuable partner in the al Qaeda War: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...201361_pf.html Jeff |
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On 14 Nov 2005 05:45:41 -0800, "Jeff" wrote:
pigo wrote: Considering that the rioters are muslims and of African or Arab decent but are actually french citizens, which side gets to surrender? The French had our backs at Yorktown and covered the left wing in Desert Storm. Their defense on the Marne in 1914 was nothing short of spectacular. They proved their mettle at Verdun and cemented that reputation in Indochina. Yet among Bush supporters, the French are surrenderers. Why? Because they weren't as good as the Wehrmacht in 1940? I doubt the US army could have stood up to the Germans that year. French-bashing is a favorite pastime among the neo-con set, but France is not only our oldest ally, but a valuable partner in the al Qaeda War: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...201361_pf.html It doesn't matter. They had the colossal gall to not take orders direct from GWB, so they must be slagged at every opportunity. Didn't you get the memo? bw |
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bdubya wrote:
On 14 Nov 2005 05:45:41 -0800, "Jeff" wrote: pigo wrote: Considering that the rioters are muslims and of African or Arab decent but are actually french citizens, which side gets to surrender? The French had our backs at Yorktown and covered the left wing in Desert Storm. Their defense on the Marne in 1914 was nothing short of spectacular. They proved their mettle at Verdun and cemented that reputation in Indochina. Yet among Bush supporters, the French are surrenderers. Why? Because they weren't as good as the Wehrmacht in 1940? I doubt the US army could have stood up to the Germans that year. French-bashing is a favorite pastime among the neo-con set, but France is not only our oldest ally, but a valuable partner in the al Qaeda War: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...201361_pf.html It doesn't matter. They had the colossal gall to not take orders direct from GWB, so they must be slagged at every opportunity. Didn't you get the memo? I'm convinced the bush-leaguers just don't know even basic recent history. They probably think Head Standard's are the latest rage. |
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lal_truckee wrote:
I'm convinced the bush-leaguers just don't know even basic recent history. They probably think Head Standard's are the latest rage. Oh, C'mon. Most of them don't even ski. When you say Head Standard, they think you're talking about this: http://www.americanstandard-us.com/ //Walt |
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"Walt" wrote in message ... lal_truckee wrote: I'm convinced the bush-leaguers just don't know even basic recent history. They probably think Head Standard's are the latest rage. Oh, C'mon. Most of them don't even ski. When you say Head Standard, they think you're talking about this: http://www.americanstandard-us.com/ Didn't we just hear that there was an article about Scooter and his boss in Ski (or Skiing)? |
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AstroPax wrote:
On 14 Nov 2005 05:45:41 -0800, "Jeff" wrote: French-bashing is a favorite pastime among the neo-con set, ...and almost as popular as American bashing is among many young Europeans, as they sit at an outdoor cafe wearing Levi's and Nikes while sipping on Starbucks coffee. Starbucks?!? C'mon they don't drink that weak-assed poor excuse for coffee in Europe. Anyway, you can have my Cote du Rhone when you pry it out of my cold drunken fingers. //Walt |
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"AstroPax" wrote in message ... On 14 Nov 2005 05:45:41 -0800, "Jeff" wrote: French-bashing is a favorite pastime among the neo-con set, ...and almost as popular as American bashing is among many young Europeans, as they sit at an outdoor cafe wearing Levi's and Nikes while sipping on Starbucks coffee. I think your argument would have more force if you used actual American products as examples. |
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"AstroPax" wrote in message ... On 14 Nov 2005 05:45:41 -0800, "Jeff" wrote: French-bashing is a favorite pastime among the neo-con set, ...and almost as popular as American bashing is among many young Europeans, as they sit at an outdoor cafe wearing Levi's and Nikes while sipping on Starbucks coffee. I thought I understood your point until you mentioned clothing made in Indonesia and coffee from South America. |
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AstroPax wrote:
On 14 Nov 2005 05:45:41 -0800, "Jeff" wrote: The French had our backs at Yorktown More to do with Lafayette, and less to do with the French government. They were motivated more by the greater Anglo-Gallic struggle for Empire but it marked the start of our longest alliance. Unlike Israel - the darling of the neo-cons, France actually has a treaty obligation to the United States. and covered the left wing in Desert Storm. It's a "flank", not a "wing". Regardless, there is a very specific reason why Schawarzkopf assigned the French to the west flank...out into the middle of an empty desert...where the French would almost certainly meet little, if any resistance from (non-existent) Iraqi ground forces. Schwarzkopf's deployment says nothing about French involvement or the state of Franco-American relationships. BTW, I notice you conveniently failed to mention that France denied the US over-flight rights in 1986 when we bombed Libya from bases in the UK (Operation El Dorado Canyon). Would you expect the US to grant France fly-over rights for Pacific bombing targets? BTW: I noticed you conveniently ignored French contributions to the al Qaeda War. When I was stationed in Saudi Arabia for Operation Southern Watch, a small contingent of the French Air Force was also there. Why? Well, I'll tell you why...we all knew they where there for one reason...and that was to *spy* on us! I'm skeptical. |
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"bdubya" wrote in message news On 14 Nov 2005 05:45:41 -0800, "Jeff" wrote: pigo wrote: Considering that the rioters are muslims and of African or Arab decent but are actually french citizens, which side gets to surrender? The French had our backs at Yorktown and covered the left wing in Desert Storm. Their defense on the Marne in 1914 was nothing short of spectacular. They proved their mettle at Verdun and cemented that reputation in Indochina. Yet among Bush supporters, the French are surrenderers. Why? Because they weren't as good as the Wehrmacht in 1940? I doubt the US army could have stood up to the Germans that year. French-bashing is a favorite pastime among the neo-con set, but France is not only our oldest ally, but a valuable partner in the al Qaeda War: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...201361_pf.html It doesn't matter. They had the colossal gall to not take orders direct from GWB, so they must be slagged at every opportunity. Didn't you get the memo? They had the colossal gall to manipulate the oil for food program for billions of dollars contrary to what they had agreed to. Then they conspired with Saadam to try to keep us out of there to keep us from finding out about their treachery. |
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