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Monique Y. Herman wrote:
On 12 Sep 2003 23:35:01 GMT, Chester Bullock penned: snip If I ever get some time to myself, that site will undergo a lot of changes to comply with web standards. Yes, you guessed it, I am becoming an evangelist on this issue. Subject near and dear to what I do after all. And I am totally f&^&@$ tired of dealing with clueless ad agencies that have no idea what standards and accessibility mean. Sorry, it is 5:30pm and I am still at work. This does not please me... And then there are diehards like me, who believe that anything that can't be rendered in lynx has failed. (But truly ... why should I need to see pictures to navigate an informational site??? Let me *choose* which pictures are important.) Oh, I agree. A standards compliant site is one which can be navigated in the old browsers and the new, and the text based, and the talking ones for blind people, and palm pilots, etc. The experience won't be the same for all the platforms, but the content will still be there. Yes, I am still here... -- ----------------------------------------------- Chester Bullock, Tenxible Solutions Ethical, quality website design and programming http://www.tenxible.com AIM: tenxible Yahoo: ccb247 |
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Love the photo "summary." (I really wish the Eldora picture reflected
current conditions!) |
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Treasure Hunt: Try finding season ticket information on Copper's site.
You'd think that might be pretty important information. BUT, it still beats the heck out of snow.com. |
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In article , Sam Seiber
wrote: Is it just me, or are the site designers of today making their sites just a bit too glitzy? ObSki: http://www.skiloveland.com just try to catch the moving menus. Run the mouse over their navagation bar, and watch all the moving menus. (the one near the top, reads: The Mountain Info Schools.......) Yikes, I don't think their site designer really uses his own site. Me thinks I will get the URL's bookmarked so I can avoid this train wreck. And like you say Chester, just try getting to the real information on some of these sites can be tricky, if the real information is even there to begin with. And I just love commercial sites that need ME to have browser version 12.0 just so I can see their useless content. I think this has gotten me on a rant. Over the summer I built a nice simple site for a pinball place in Lyons Colorado ( http://www.lyonspinball.com ). It will work very nicely with old browsers. I did this by design. I want to reach the maximum audience I can get. It would really suck for a potential customer to go through all the trouble to look for the site, just to find out their browser isn't modern enough to see the story. Just last week I got the bad news that they "improved" (ie wrecked) my fav airline site: travelocity.com. Much of the site still works if you use the NS4.79 forward and back buttons but clicking their navigation buttons at the bottom causes your browser to blow up. I wrote them to ask "why" and they basically responded 'tough ****' we aren't going to support series 4x NS and IE browsers. translation, some lame programmer with too much time on his hands sez damn with our customers we gotta add enough wiz-bang graphics that only those with the latest sys and flash/java enabled software can play. At a much slower speed for sure. The worst was when they killed Easy Sabre, a simple text-based system that, once you learned the archane commands ran 3 or 4 times faster than Travelocity. No cute pictures of airplanes with the carriers name in the carriers graphice, however- thus no good. :-( Any snow yet. John in MD |
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Varanasi Benares wrote:
Treasure Hunt: Try finding season ticket information on Copper's site. You'd think that might be pretty important information. BUT, it still beats the heck out of snow.com. Don;t even get me started on that. For some lame reason I could renew my season pass online, but could not order new ones for my wife and step-kids. I had to order those separately on the site (even though the renewal area told me I had get their's in person), then call them on the phone to get them all linked together so I can renew them together next year. For some idiotic reason I don't understand they could do it over the phone, but could not do it through email, even though I am the same person either way. They didn't ask me to verify anything they couldn't have asked through email. I just don't get it... ----------------------------------------------- Chester Bullock, Tenxible Solutions Ethical, quality website design and programming http://www.tenxible.com AIM: tenxible Yahoo: ccb247 |
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Varanasi Benares wrote:
Love the photo "summary." (I really wish the Eldora picture reflected current conditions!) Eldora seems to have constant problems with their camera. A-Basin is the other one that never seems to be wokring properly. For those who aren't regular followers of that page, I decided to omit the RSN cams because by and large they are not real time. It was a pretty cool thing back in the day when I helped RSN set one up at Copper. But for some reason they decided to go with one picture a day, and it always seemed to be the one that made the resort look good. That bothers me, because conditions aren't always primo, no matter how much the marketing department wants you to think they are. If the marketeers at Copper had been more Internet savvy (back in 1995-96, although they still don't seem to be), I have no doubt I would have been in trouble for some of the things I said about our conditions. The flip side was that my report was never official. For some reason people seemed to eat up the Steamboat 'Straight Talk' report that marketeer Betsy Brunton put out. Never heard a bad word uttered about the skiing up there from that report. I know she saw the success of my unofficial version and put a marketing spin on it for Steamboat. Oh well, such is the way of things. I still have my integrity intact (although I don't think most marketeers have integrity to begin with)... ----------------------------------------------- Chester Bullock, Tenxible Solutions Ethical, quality website design and programming http://www.tenxible.com AIM: tenxible Yahoo: ccb247 |
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Sam Seiber wrote:
I want to reach the maximum audience I can get. It would really suck for a potential customer to go through all the trouble to look for the site, just to find out their browser isn't modern enough to see the story. I've often felt that the jerks are designing for other jerks who buy a new computer whenever their old one fills up and which comes with windows pre-installed. That, or just stupidity on the designer's part. Choose one or more. Chester Bullock wrote: You really need to read "Designing With Web Standards" by Jeffrey Zeldman (http://www.zeldman.com). Everyone browsing the web should have a standards compliant browser, which NS4 isn't (sorry Bev). Was it before M$ started mucking about with the standards? Lots of stuff it doesn't see now, so I run Moz 1.4, soon to be 1.5. I personally prefer Mozilla Firebird because of it's pop-up blocking and very good standards support. My Mozillas block popups, but that preference doesn't stick and you have to remember to set it each time you start the program. That makes no sense at all, but that's what happens. OK, I feel better now. Also for the others reading over my shoulder, Check out ObSki:Chesters site: http://www.black-diamond.com Click on the Cameras link, so you can follow in the fun of watching our Colorado mountains return to white. If I ever get some time to myself, that site will undergo a lot of changes to comply with web standards. Yes, you guessed it, I am becoming an evangelist on this issue. Subject near and dear to what I do after all. And I am totally f&^&@$ tired of dealing with clueless ad agencies that have no idea what standards and accessibility mean. I HATE the way slashdot works. You'd think that those people could do something decent, but NOOOOOO! Went to the LA County Fair with 13 family members. This is NOT a good thing to do, and requires extensive cellphonage. They have a Skyride for something like $3 per person -- it's a really slow quad (ob)ski lift that takes you perhaps half a mile in 7.5 minutes. No, I didn't ride it. I'm not that desperate. Returned home to find email from Bear Mountain, claiming that "On September 9, 2003, Bear Mountain became the first mountain resort in the country to make snow and open for the 2003/2004 season. It was only for a one-day photo and film shoot but it still happened." -- Cheers, Bev \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \\\\ "He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice." -- -Albert Einstein |
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On 15 Sep 2003 15:35:01 GMT, The Real Bev penned:
My Mozillas block popups, but that preference doesn't stick and you have to remember to set it each time you start the program. That makes no sense at all, but that's what happens. Odd. My Mozilla blocks popups and remembers to do so. What version are you running, on what platform? -- monique My pointless ramblings: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/phorum/index.php?f=6 |
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The Real Bev wrote:
Returned home to find email from Bear Mountain, claiming that "On September 9, 2003, Bear Mountain became the first mountain resort in the country to make snow and open for the 2003/2004 season. It was only for a one-day photo and film shoot but it still happened." Never heard about it here, obviously the marketing ploy didn't work... ----------------------------------------------- Chester Bullock, Tenxible Solutions Ethical, quality website design and programming http://www.tenxible.com AIM: tenxible Yahoo: ccb247 |
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Chester Bullock wrote:
The Real Bev wrote: Returned home to find email from Bear Mountain, claiming that "On September 9, 2003, Bear Mountain became the first mountain resort in the country to make snow and open for the 2003/2004 season. It was only for a one-day photo and film shoot but it still happened." Never heard about it here, obviously the marketing ploy didn't work... Probably for their brochure. Last year they didn't have them ready until well into the season. Not that it matters, of course. -- Cheers, Bev ================================================== ============ "Arguing on the internet is like running a race in the Special Olympics: even if you win, you're still retarded." |
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