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VtSkier wrote:
Ron - NY wrote: ...... Yep , I've heard of those . I always ski midweek so I guess another fringe benefit is closer parking . Even though I love my boots I might consider replacing them by the time those heel pieces wear out , but then again maybe not . But this leads me to thinking about something else , what the longest ( or maybe I should say oldest ) you kept a pair of boots ? I don't mean in the closet , I mean still using ? Ron Heh, I skied a lot in the 60's. New boots every year, sometimes more often and I had a line on warranty returns that the warehouse just threw out for want of a buckle, etc. so it was easy. Then I got married. Then I had kids. Then I was poor. My last pair of boots from that era was a pair of Hanson Riva Softs with the waxed liner. I skied those from about 1972, one to 5 times a year until 1991. The liner had rotted in the meantime which I replaced with liners from a pair of Raichle rear entry boots. That's my record. And I thought duct-taped rear entry boots was a fashion statement in those good old days. In 1990 I got back into skiing by getting a PT job at a local area. Got a job at Killington the next year and for three years after and then went to my volunteer job which I've had for 10 years with LOTS more skiing. This past winter was a year for experiment. I bought and sold 4 pair of boots along with my alpine boots and AT boots which I've had for a couple of years. At present I have my Salomon XWave 10's as stiff alpine boots (2yo), My Lowa AT boots (1yo) and a pair of Rossignol Soft (new this year but previous season model) and I have a pair of light tele boots for the back yard. The back yard btw is several thousand acres of the Chateauguay/No Town Conservation area. Trouble was there wasn't much snow out there last year. Quite a bit of stuff you leave on the racks/shelves when you go skiing, eh? Do you have difficulty deciding which set of equipment you going to use for that day? Even though I have only one set of functional equipment for different disciplines, most the time, but a lot of time I still have hard time to decide, in the old days, whether I do tele, or downhill, or nowadays, between downhill or snowboarding. Well, eventually, the downhill wins out. (Snowboarding is ok, it capable of does anything and everything, or equivalence, that skiing can do, but it is kind of clumsy to move around in resorts.) My current ski, Salomon Xscream 1080, is 7 yo; marker binding 5.1, with replaced marker 2.9 and a racing toe pieces is about 10 yo; and my boots Technica ti6, one size too small (the salesman talked me into it, and later I had to cut a hole in my inner boot so my little toe can "breathe"), and the soles' outside edge are worn out; guess to you guys these are all antiques/garbages now, but I have no fund to replace them. so they bit on. And I have skied average 120 days for the past 7yrs, mostly on this set of equipment. Guess one cannot be a real good skier if one is depended on one's equipments. IS VtSkier |
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Bill Tuthill wrote:
So exactly why, can anyone tell me, are downhill skis so heavy? See Walt's post for a discussion - I'll cut to the quick: So they will track better in all conditions. Like driving a sport car instead of a Ford Fiesta. Light wuss skis deflect all over the place. BTW, Downhill race skis feel like driving a fully loaded tractor trailer truck; once you've got them arcing their path it feels like NOTHING is going to deflect them, which is a great feeling when you're truckin' It's almost impossible to get information about ski and binding weight, indicating the industry doesn't want us to think about it. Not so - a few years ago the industry spent their ad fortune pushing "light" skis - I suppose they quit pushing light when they discovered that nobody with reasonable skills actually wanted light skis - at least I hope that's why they dropped that sillyness. |
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yunlong wrote:
VtSkier wrote: Ron - NY wrote: ..... Yep , I've heard of those . I always ski midweek so I guess another fringe benefit is closer parking . Even though I love my boots I might consider replacing them by the time those heel pieces wear out , but then again maybe not . But this leads me to thinking about something else , what the longest ( or maybe I should say oldest ) you kept a pair of boots ? I don't mean in the closet , I mean still using ? Ron Heh, I skied a lot in the 60's. New boots every year, sometimes more often and I had a line on warranty returns that the warehouse just threw out for want of a buckle, etc. so it was easy. Then I got married. Then I had kids. Then I was poor. My last pair of boots from that era was a pair of Hanson Riva Softs with the waxed liner. I skied those from about 1972, one to 5 times a year until 1991. The liner had rotted in the meantime which I replaced with liners from a pair of Raichle rear entry boots. That's my record. And I thought duct-taped rear entry boots was a fashion statement in those good old days. Actually I've seen more duct tape these days, on the toes of conventional 4 buckle boots, to keep water out than I did back then on rear entry boots. Duct tape worked well, but once you were in your boots, they were difficult to take off again. The Hansons were rear-entry, but the closure was a simple metal buckle and cable. Rarely broke. In 1990 I got back into skiing by getting a PT job at a local area. Got a job at Killington the next year and for three years after and then went to my volunteer job which I've had for 10 years with LOTS more skiing. This past winter was a year for experiment. I bought and sold 4 pair of boots along with my alpine boots and AT boots which I've had for a couple of years. At present I have my Salomon XWave 10's as stiff alpine boots (2yo), My Lowa AT boots (1yo) and a pair of Rossignol Soft (new this year but previous season model) and I have a pair of light tele boots for the back yard. The back yard btw is several thousand acres of the Chateauguay/No Town Conservation area. Trouble was there wasn't much snow out there last year. Quite a bit of stuff you leave on the racks/shelves when you go skiing, eh? Do you have difficulty deciding which set of equipment you going to use for that day? I have two pair of "everyday" skis. Volkl 6 star and Fischer MountainX. The Volkls I paid $450 for at the ski swap in October. The Fischer's were $85 on Ebay as were the Tyrolia bindings, so $170 total. I keep both pair in (not on) my car all winter. I usually use AT boots for working and spring skiing and alpine boots for "fun". The Salomon boots are comfortable and great performing, but if I use them for more than three days running they irritate my achilles tendon (ant are you listening?) and I can't ski for a week, so I only use them for a day or so at a time. I have hopes for the Rossi softs, but they aren't dialed in for my skiing yet although they are comfortable. Salomon XWave boots $199 end of year. Rossi boots $179 end of year, Lowa boots $149 Sierra Trading Post. Other boots from ebay, two pair Raichle Flexon, since sent to LAL as I can't wear them. Poles, Goode composite, about 10 years old. The original with the lifetime warranty. Can't break 'em. Traded a pair of "found" Ultra- light aluminum pole for them. Even though I have only one set of functional equipment for different disciplines, most the time, but a lot of time I still have hard time to decide, in the old days, whether I do tele, or downhill, or nowadays, between downhill or snowboarding. Well, eventually, the downhill wins out. (Snowboarding is ok, it capable of does anything and everything, or equivalence, that skiing can do, but it is kind of clumsy to move around in resorts.) I've heard the same from others who both ski and snowboard. They say snowboarding is OK, but except for heavy wet snow skiing is more satisfying. My current ski, Salomon Xscream 1080, is 7 yo; marker binding 5.1, with replaced marker 2.9 and a racing toe pieces is about 10 yo; and my boots Technica ti6, one size too small (the salesman talked me into it, and later I had to cut a hole in my inner boot so my little toe can "breathe"), and the soles' outside edge are worn out; guess to you guys these are all antiques/garbages now, but I have no fund to replace them. so they bit on. And I have skied average 120 days for the past 7yrs, mostly on this set of equipment. My rock skis are a pair of XScream 1080's. The yellow ones with black writing/graphics with Fritchi Free Ride bindings. If I had a choice of one pair of skis to do everything, these would probably be it. Great skis. I hear the Salomon Street Racers come closest in recent offerings. If you had any inclinations to fall, you might get your boots looked at/repaired/replaced. Holes cut in liners are a common thing, but I always require my shop to stretch the shell since a cut liner will break down quicker than an uncut one. Are those worn edges of the boots inadvertently canting them? You might rent a pair of boots some time and see if you are catching edges because the rental boots will have flat soles. It might be that canting is a good thing for you. At least as far as skiing goes. I'd be a little concerned about release function. Guess one cannot be a real good skier if one is depended on one's equipments. A good skier is a good skier regardless of equipment. As for me, I'm a gear-head and I can finally afford to satisfy my inclinations. It's taken a while and a couple of personal make-overs, but I'm finally comfortable and happy. Not rich, by any means, but well enough off so that I can ski your mountains once in a while (twice this year) and ski as much as I want here. I'm part of the most visible program on the mountain at Killington and ski manufacturer's and shops are very good to us should I want to take advantage of such. I also like to hunt down a good bargain when I can. If I were poor and couldn't afford much in the way of gear, I would still ski on what I had and it would be OK, but, truth to tell I'd still jones about the nice stuff that's out there. |
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VtSkier wrote:
yunlong wrote: VtSkier wrote: Ron - NY wrote: ..... Yep , I've heard of those . I always ski midweek so I guess another fringe benefit is closer parking . Even though I love my boots I might consider replacing them by the time those heel pieces wear out , but then again maybe not . But this leads me to thinking about something else , what the longest ( or maybe I should say oldest ) you kept a pair of boots ? I don't mean in the closet , I mean still using ? Ron Heh, I skied a lot in the 60's. New boots every year, sometimes more often and I had a line on warranty returns that the warehouse just threw out for want of a buckle, etc. so it was easy. Then I got married. Then I had kids. Then I was poor. My last pair of boots from that era was a pair of Hanson Riva Softs with the waxed liner. I skied those from about 1972, one to 5 times a year until 1991. The liner had rotted in the meantime which I replaced with liners from a pair of Raichle rear entry boots. That's my record. And I thought duct-taped rear entry boots was a fashion statement in those good old days. Actually I've seen more duct tape these days, on the toes of conventional 4 buckle boots, to keep water out than I did back then on rear entry boots. Duct tape worked well, but once you were in your boots, they were difficult to take off again. The Hansons were rear-entry, but the closure was a simple metal buckle and cable. Rarely broke. Darth Fader wore Hanson boots in the first (fourth?) movie - made him walk funny, but looked all moderne and such. I wonder if Lucas digitized them out of recent releases, like alot of other stuff? Only boot from that era that (still) intrigues me was the Scott Superlights. Losers in the popularity wars, but some folks swore by them. In 1990 I got back into skiing by getting a PT job at a local area. Got a job at Killington the next year and for three years after and then went to my volunteer job which I've had for 10 years with LOTS more skiing. This past winter was a year for experiment. I bought and sold 4 pair of boots along with my alpine boots and AT boots which I've had for a couple of years. At present I have my Salomon XWave 10's as stiff alpine boots (2yo), My Lowa AT boots (1yo) and a pair of Rossignol Soft (new this year but previous season model) and I have a pair of light tele boots for the back yard. The back yard btw is several thousand acres of the Chateauguay/No Town Conservation area. Trouble was there wasn't much snow out there last year. Quite a bit of stuff you leave on the racks/shelves when you go skiing, eh? Do you have difficulty deciding which set of equipment you going to use for that day? I have two pair of "everyday" skis. Volkl 6 star and Fischer MountainX. The Volkls I paid $450 for at the ski swap in October. The Fischer's were $85 on Ebay as were the Tyrolia bindings, so $170 total. I keep both pair in (not on) my car all winter. I usually use AT boots for working and spring skiing and alpine boots for "fun". The Salomon boots are comfortable and great performing, but if I use them for more than three days running they irritate my achilles tendon (ant are you listening?) and I can't ski for a week, so I only use them for a day or so at a time. I have hopes for the Rossi softs, but they aren't dialed in for my skiing yet although they are comfortable. Salomon XWave boots $199 end of year. Rossi boots $179 end of year, Lowa boots $149 Sierra Trading Post. Other boots from ebay, two pair Raichle Flexon, since sent to LAL as I can't wear them. Poles, Goode composite, about 10 years old. The original with the lifetime warranty. Can't break 'em. Traded a pair of "found" Ultra- light aluminum pole for them. Even though I have only one set of functional equipment for different disciplines, most the time, but a lot of time I still have hard time to decide, in the old days, whether I do tele, or downhill, or nowadays, between downhill or snowboarding. Well, eventually, the downhill wins out. (Snowboarding is ok, it capable of does anything and everything, or equivalence, that skiing can do, but it is kind of clumsy to move around in resorts.) I've heard the same from others who both ski and snowboard. They say snowboarding is OK, but except for heavy wet snow skiing is more satisfying. Skied heavy wet (untracked) snow today - a thrill and a wonder and very satisfying. The boarder contingent were largely falling all over the place - most of them were too weak on their chosen snow-tool to cope. I think it's a matter of failure to learn the tool; if the skier is competent the ski is superior to the board in ALL conditions. The board may be superior for incompetent tail riders of both species in some conditions. My current ski, Salomon Xscream 1080, is 7 yo; marker binding 5.1, with replaced marker 2.9 and a racing toe pieces is about 10 yo; and my boots Technica ti6, one size too small (the salesman talked me into it, and later I had to cut a hole in my inner boot so my little toe can "breathe"), and the soles' outside edge are worn out; guess to you guys these are all antiques/garbages now, but I have no fund to replace them. so they bit on. And I have skied average 120 days for the past 7yrs, mostly on this set of equipment. My rock skis are a pair of XScream 1080's. The yellow ones with black writing/graphics with Fritchi Free Ride bindings. If I had a choice of one pair of skis to do everything, these would probably be it. Great skis. I hear the Salomon Street Racers come closest in recent offerings. If you had any inclinations to fall, you might get your boots looked at/repaired/replaced. Holes cut in liners are a common thing, but I always require my shop to stretch the shell since a cut liner will break down quicker than an uncut one. Are those worn edges of the boots inadvertently canting them? You might rent a pair of boots some time and see if you are catching edges because the rental boots will have flat soles. It might be that canting is a good thing for you. At least as far as skiing goes. I'd be a little concerned about release function. Guess one cannot be a real good skier if one is depended on one's equipments. A good skier is a good skier regardless of equipment. Patently true. Have you spoken with ski testers during those on-slope tests the magazines hold at various resorts? Takes them about half a run to learn a ski's idiocyncracies; then they're back to their normal super-skier quality skiing, regardless of the equipment. As for me, I'm a gear-head and I can finally afford to satisfy my inclinations. It's taken a while and a couple of personal make-overs, but I'm finally comfortable and happy. Not rich, by any means, but well enough off so that I can ski your mountains once in a while (twice this year) and ski as much as I want here. I'm part of the most visible program on the mountain at Killington and ski manufacturer's and shops are very good to us should I want to take advantage of such. I also like to hunt down a good bargain when I can. If I were poor and couldn't afford much in the way of gear, I would still ski on what I had and it would be OK, but, truth to tell I'd still jones about the nice stuff that's out there. |
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lal_truckee wrote:
VtSkier wrote: yunlong wrote: VtSkier wrote: Ron - NY wrote: Yep , I've heard of those . I always ski midweek so I guess another fringe benefit is closer parking . Even though I love my boots I might consider replacing them by the time those heel pieces wear out , but then again maybe not . But this leads me to thinking about something else , what the longest ( or maybe I should say oldest ) you kept a pair of boots ? I don't mean in the closet , I mean still using ? Ron Heh, I skied a lot in the 60's. New boots every year, sometimes more often and I had a line on warranty returns that the warehouse just threw out for want of a buckle, etc. so it was easy. Then I got married. Then I had kids. Then I was poor. My last pair of boots from that era was a pair of Hanson Riva Softs with the waxed liner. I skied those from about 1972, one to 5 times a year until 1991. The liner had rotted in the meantime which I replaced with liners from a pair of Raichle rear entry boots. That's my record. And I thought duct-taped rear entry boots was a fashion statement in those good old days. Actually I've seen more duct tape these days, on the toes of conventional 4 buckle boots, to keep water out than I did back then on rear entry boots. Duct tape worked well, but once you were in your boots, they were difficult to take off again. The Hansons were rear-entry, but the closure was a simple metal buckle and cable. Rarely broke. Darth Fader wore Hanson boots in the first (fourth?) movie - made him walk funny, but looked all moderne and such. I wonder if Lucas digitized them out of recent releases, like alot of other stuff? Only boot from that era that (still) intrigues me was the Scott Superlights. Losers in the popularity wars, but some folks swore by them. They intrigued me too. One of the oddities was that they came in various colors and parts broke on occasion and you needed several pair for "parts" with the result looking a lot like a rust belt pickup truck with all different color body panels. (snip) Even though I have only one set of functional equipment for different disciplines, most the time, but a lot of time I still have hard time to decide, in the old days, whether I do tele, or downhill, or nowadays, between downhill or snowboarding. Well, eventually, the downhill wins out. (Snowboarding is ok, it capable of does anything and everything, or equivalence, that skiing can do, but it is kind of clumsy to move around in resorts.) I've heard the same from others who both ski and snowboard. They say snowboarding is OK, but except for heavy wet snow skiing is more satisfying. Skied heavy wet (untracked) snow today - a thrill and a wonder and very satisfying. I was just beginning to get the knack that day with you when I found the crust between the two trees and got launched. Yes, I think the rib was actually broken since it took more than a month to be pain-free and able to sleep on that side. I can see where untracked wet could be most enjoyable. Back here I really like heavily tracked wet snow (not the sticky stuff which grabs your skis), slush powders. and other people wonder at how I can ski so long and not get tired. The boarder contingent were largely falling all over the place - most of them were too weak on their chosen snow-tool to cope. A good snowboarder is a good "snow-slider". Also regardless of equipment. My "boss" at K is a hard-boot rider and can make whole lots of other snowboarders look pretty green. The wannabes are just that regardless of tool choice. I think it's a matter of failure to learn the tool; if the skier is competent the ski is superior to the board in ALL conditions. The board may be superior for incompetent tail riders of both species in some conditions. (snip) Guess one cannot be a real good skier if one is depended on one's equipments. A good skier is a good skier regardless of equipment. Patently true. Have you spoken with ski testers during those on-slope tests the magazines hold at various resorts? Takes them about half a run to learn a ski's idiocyncracies; then they're back to their normal super-skier quality skiing, regardless of the equipment. I skied a part of a day with the local coach of coaches who had brand new Fischer racing slalom skis on. He really liked them and was doing carved turns across the hill at insane speeds. I was barely keeping up to him OR his girl friend on the same skis. Next day I saw him again, doing exactly the same thing on a pair of two year old Salomon whatevers. (snip) |
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"VtSkier" wrote in message ... Stephen B. wrote: "VtSkier" wrote SNIP This suggests that boot sole *bottom* wear may not be as critical as sometimes suggested. A release check will determine the limits. Now I wear AT boots with vibram soles a lot because I have cause to get out of my skis and walk around a lot during the course of a "working" ski day. The vibram sole may be the worst thing to put between your leg and your binding. Maybe even worse than a severely worn alpine boot sole. To lessen this effect, I'm a FIRM believer in active AFD devices. So far, only Marker and Tyrolia (and maybe Atomic) have devices that I feel comfortable with. Every body else cheaps out with teflon devices which can accumulate dirt and not work as advertised, but plenty good enough for newish alpine boots. SNIP VT, Have you really seen Teflon strips collect dirt and grime so they stop working? Wouldn't this same dirt and grime cause more havoc in the active AFD devices? I am sure you have heard of the KISS principle, the Teflon sounds allot simpler to me. I admit I have not paid attention to active AFD devices so I would be very interested in your reasoning, and description of them. Stephen B. Actually I haven't seen the dirt/grime collect on any AFD. What I have seen is the same dirt/grime collect on the sole of the boot. The Marker active AFD is pretty much a bullet-proof device and doesn't seem to be affected by much of anything. The rolling rubber band of the Tyrolia system could conceivably get grit in it in a way that may affect its function. And, btw, I didn't say "stop working". That's an exaggeration of the situation. In fact, in a good old yard sale type of a high-speed crash you probably wouldn't even know if your AFD's were dirty or not. The situation where there might be a problem would be in a slow-speed twisting fall which might be complicated by your weight being forward and putting extra weight on you AFD. This is a knee- damaging type of fall. One of the things Salomon has tried to do for this type of fall is to make an AFD that when it senses extra weight, the pressure needed to release the toe becomes less. Or so we are told. Thanks, that makes more sense to me now. Sounds like I should have looked harder before buying my last skis. Stephen B. |
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Stephen B. wrote:
"VtSkier" wrote in message ... (snip) Actually I haven't seen the dirt/grime collect on any AFD. What I have seen is the same dirt/grime collect on the sole of the boot. The Marker active AFD is pretty much a bullet-proof device and doesn't seem to be affected by much of anything. The rolling rubber band of the Tyrolia system could conceivably get grit in it in a way that may affect its function. And, btw, I didn't say "stop working". That's an exaggeration of the situation. In fact, in a good old yard sale type of a high-speed crash you probably wouldn't even know if your AFD's were dirty or not. The situation where there might be a problem would be in a slow-speed twisting fall which might be complicated by your weight being forward and putting extra weight on you AFD. This is a knee- damaging type of fall. One of the things Salomon has tried to do for this type of fall is to make an AFD that when it senses extra weight, the pressure needed to release the toe becomes less. Or so we are told. Thanks, that makes more sense to me now. Sounds like I should have looked harder before buying my last skis. Stephen B. Just for information, someone else mentioned that Look/Rossi bindings have an active AFD. I went and looked at their sites and it sure looks like they have active AFD's. |
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lal_truckee wrote:
See Walt's post for a discussion - I'll cut to the quick: So they will track better in all conditions. Like driving a sport car instead of a Ford Fiesta. Light wuss skis deflect all over the place. Maybe that's why I don't ski well in crud -- I bought my current pair of K2 skis because they were the lightest in my length on sale at REI. I realize it's not a very sophisticated selection process. But I had tried demo skis and didn't like any of them. BTW, Downhill race skis feel like driving a fully loaded tractor trailer truck; once you've got them arcing their path it feels like NOTHING is going to deflect them, which is a great feeling when you're truckin' That doesn't sound fun to me. I don't want to drive a tractor trailer when I'm trying to recreate! But points for colorful analogy. Here's a review of the Goode Carbon 74, though I probably want an 82. Summarizing, I'd say "twitchy" is the operative word. Maybe a Shuksan is in my future, especially considering the $890 versus $440 price. Curiosity finally got the better of me and knowing how well Goode water skis perform, I was eager to ski their Alpine products. Impressive, is the perfect word to describe this ski. No other ski feels like the Goode. The first thing one notices is the weight, or lack thereof. Pick them up and they weigh about as much as a pair of bindings. The flex is surprisingly soft resulting in some very sudden turns until one learns restraint. They react to subtle input much like Dynastar's Omeglass slalom ski. That is not to say that the Goode 74 is a Race ski, but rather that the Goode does not respond to gross movements or brute force. Very easy to control and turn shapes are as diverse as the skier can imagine. Think "turn" and it happens. No effort and surprisingly stable. While they are pricey, the feel is so unique that unless you ski a pair, there is no way you can imagine how different they feel. Sorry, but I have to say it. They actually feel Goode. [ http://www.ski-review.com/content/view/141/30/ ] |
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Bill Tuthill wrote:
BTW, Downhill race skis feel like driving a fully loaded tractor trailer truck; once you've got them arcing their path it feels like NOTHING is going to deflect them, which is a great feeling when you're truckin' That doesn't sound fun to me. I don't want to drive a tractor trailer when I'm trying to recreate! But points for colorful analogy. When you're truckin' above 70mph the last thing you want is a ski that deflects at every little irregularity in the snow surface - you'll be quite happy to have a big, meaty, beast underfoot that tracks as above. Something about 224cm and the weight of a small battleship, say. Recreate means different things to different folk. |
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lal_truckee wrote:
A good skier is a good skier regardless of equipment. Patently true. And then there are those of us who'll unashamedly take whatever advantage we can get. I think we know who we are. -- //-Walt // // TINW |
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